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- TimDigg, on 10/12/2007, -4/+43The real question is how will Firefox users relate to a much more bloated internet browser...
100MB download for Fx3?
What I love about Fx is that it doesn't use a lot of system resources
and all the bloat comes from me personally...which I install 50 million add-on's but when I feel it's becoming to bloated I can "unbloat" it....
we shall see... - ahill7, on 10/12/2007, -4/+25Flock?
- chrono13, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19It sounds promising. The internet seems to be building further up, with faster and closer communications (read: social networking).
It could be groundbreaking if for no other reason than market share and overall number of users... but how deep do we want it to integrate into other services? Do we want deep integration into MySpace?
Then there are times that you may not want to communicate or want other to know you are online, and while that will likely be a feature, imagine having your IM, myspace, email and browsing all wrapped into one... ugh.
They could incorporate it pretty well I imagine, perhaps even call it a Mozilla Suite or something.
What I want to see is the next Blake Ross take Firefox, strip it again and plugin almost everything, including the spell checking (which I would leave in for the record), the anti-phishing, and anything else that could be modularized. This would allow the ultimate in adaptability, customization and feature selection. Including, but not limited to, opening the door for plugin developers to develop a better spell checker or better phishing filter without doubled efforts/code or hacks.
Shrinking Firefox to a lean mean browsing machine was what first made it succesful. A social browser sounds great - but what about those who aren't social? Those running on an older system? Those who would like to see a newer version of Firefox be able to make it into Damn Small Linux or other mini-distro's?
Please MozDevs.... make it a plugin... don't push it on everyone who enjoys Firefox : ( - vafada, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18hopefully not.
I don't want Firefox to be a bloatware. I'm not into social networking so having a social networking built-in into Firefox is just useless feature for me.
I hope this add-on stays as an add-on. - i4mt3hwin, on 10/12/2007, -3/+18Will all these features being built in, I hope some day they just release a "Light" version.
- spraguep, on 10/12/2007, -3/+18Sounds like the beginning of some serious bloatware.
- deadowl, on 10/12/2007, -5/+17The real question this raises: Will the Mozilla Foundation get paid lots and lots of money by Yahoo and News Corp? Probably...
- mecmermun, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13@clinko
Then you missed the point of using Mozilla. - NinjaPlimsoles, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14Straight from https://labs.mozilla.com/featured-projects/
"The Coop is an emerging Firefox add-on that will let users keep track of what their friends are doing online, and share new and interesting content with one or more of those friends."
Check out more at the Wiki http://wiki.mozilla.org/Labs/The_Coop - altrock78, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13This will be interesting to see how this product develops, and how many different networks it will be able to interface with.
- michaelkirk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10@timdigg I agree. Firefox is about simplicity. This sounds like something Microsoft would try to do. Remember channels on your desktop? Anyway, it will be interesting none the less to see how this pans out.
- catalysis, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Why would you use a web browser just to be different?
- MellerTime, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11Talk about the circle of competition... Firefox competes directly with IE, but Flock springs up and decides to compete with Firefox... Now Firefox is going to start competing more directly with Flock as well... Maybe it's time to look at Opera again.
- mvent2, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7I logged in just so I could reply to this joke of a story.
This is the most misleading piece of tripe I've ever read on Digg. As mentioned on Planet Mozilla, The Coop is an add-on. It will not be built in. It will not come with the default installation. Its an extension made by Mozilla Labs, that is all. I piss on this article. - HappyScrappy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Now feature creep comes to open source projects?
How about they just fix the damn bugs and make it take less memory? - leoedin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5@f00xx0riz3r
Netscape was like that before the handover to the mozilla foundation. The bloat and poor interface of netscape was the reason they developed firefox. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Exactly what I was thinking.. this is just going to be like flock.
- gotamd, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6The problem I have with this is that it looks like it will be built-in by default. It will create bloat without a doubt, which is bad enough in itself. However, it may also create instability and/or security issues. Why can't Mozilla just develop an "official plugins" section of its website where features like this will be easily accessible for those who want it. I thought that was the whole point of having extensions in the first place: create a minimalist browser with the ability to selectively add functionality.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Why can't the Mozilla foundation just worry about making a good browser? If they want to add this type of functionality, then why not just create an add-on? This kind of stuff turns a good product in a seriously bloated piece of crap.
- Zanwar000, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4doesn't Flock do this? I thought it was good for integrating social networking but it isnt a browser I would use for everyday surfing.
- pickypg, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7@timdigg
"What I love about Fx is that it doesn't use a lot of system resources"
On what planet? Starting it took 22 MB immediately, for a simple website (I do not install add-ons) and logging into GMail added 10 MB, which then seemed to add 100 KB every few seconds for the better part of a minute; closing the first tab (of the first page) freed 300 KB. Firefox is a lot of things, but memory efficient is not one of them.
My personal favorite feature of FireFox is the rather efficient interface, especially the way I can browse through cookies (especially as I do occasional web developer) and other stuff right there in the browser. - f00xx0riz3r, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8Unfortunatly it sounds exactly like something the MOZILLA foundation would do.. remeber the slow death netscape died?
- Trixrox, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Why does the article and the title both say "Mozilla To Build Social Networking Into Firefox". They can build extensions in, like they did with the spell checker, which is where I'm lead to believe after reading the wiki.
- SteveMax, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5This is great. I mean, they created Firefox to have a browser with smaller memory footprint, smaller download size, and faster than the old Mozilla suite. Firefox was already slower and had a larger memory footprint than the suite; now it will probably become a larger download. Way to go in reassigning goals, MoFo!
- NinjaPlimsoles, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6The Coop IS an extension :)
- daveisfera, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Firefox is starting to lose what made it great (small, streamlined design that anyone could add to with extensions) and becoming far more bloated than the original IE that it so gratefully replaced. I'm fine with them adding these features, but they should be extensions, not part of the browser itself. Sure, they could make "standard extensions" that come with the default installation of Firefox, but you should be able to remove them and keep the small, streamlined Firefox that we all love so much in the beginning.
- Trixrox, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Why can't a browser just be a browser? If I want social networking I can download that as an extension, maybe even an official Mozilla extension.
- kahrn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Ok well IMO people are going to stop using Firefox if this happens, and the user gain will be minimal if any. Firefox is *already* hard enough to use on pre-333MHz/128MB RAM machines. The whole point in Firefox for almost all it's users is that it's a browser that YOU can define. It's a browser that you can add addon's that you want, and get rid of ones that you don't want.
Of course, being open source and all we could just create an alternate version without it. - TheExtendedName, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3WHy? Why? Just make firefox faster and smaller. You don't need to add all these AOL like features we already like and use firefox. I guess it's in he water over there at Mozilla. Firefox is going to end up just like the suite bloated, unused and still using the MORK file format.
- pkulak, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5It is an addon.
- offwhite, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Without knowing any details I think this is just bloat. Any integration with specific social networks or services should be Add-Ins that I can select if I want to use them. I do not want to have a 50mb download just because it suddenly includes support for these additional systems I never plan on using.
- gotamd, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5If only Opera was supported by all the websites I use...
- TheExtendedName, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I looked at the wiki and it makes no reference to coop being an add-in or built in feature. Maybe I missed it.
http://wiki.mozilla.org/Labs/The_Coop - daveisfera, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3It doesn't say anything about it being on add-on in the wiki.
- fulldecent, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3This is bloat day on digg.
- 0011digger, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4I think it will integrate all present social networking sites into it...
- chadwick359, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Frankly, I'm a bit disappointed in Mozilla. I think that sometimes I'm the one person on the face of the planet, but I despise social networking sites. It's bad enough that I can barely have a discussion with my friends without the mention of facebook/livejoural/myspace, and frankly, I don't need my browser to be yet another portal to the beast that is social networking. I'm also concerned about the speed/size problem. I use Opera on my machines, but working in IT, I carry a flash drive with Firefox portable on it, and find myself using Firefox mostly on bogged down or old, slow machines.
Short version? If you need to know what I'm up to, I have a cell phone, call it. - alrahman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Not every firefox user is a internet social networking person. They should make this an add on or something.
- mortaneous, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1There goes the neighborhood.
- sirdaz, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Sounds like it could be the start of a 1-id-for-all type thing.
Websites could base there logins around the user login in the actual browser. OK maybe not automatically log into the website as that could be disastrous, but along along those lines. - geekitechture, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@timdigg
"Doesn't use a lot of system resources?"
You're not counting how it eats up memory, are you?
I hope whatever FF installs for this "social" networking can be installed *optionally* or at least uninstalled because I want no part of it. Digg is as *social* as I get and if you read thru my comments you'll see I'm not very *social* at all. The whole idea of "socializing" on the WEB annoys the crap out of me.
I had FF addons for delicious and stumbleupon once and when I found I was never using them or that I was *making* myself click on them once in a while to justify their existence I uninstalled them and never looked back. I don't need imaginary friends to feel like a worthwhile person, in fact I think surfing the Web over time has hurt my self-esteem if anything, and lowered my opinion of other human beings considerably.
When people friend me on Digg I friend them back, but I'm not sure why. I'm a sincere person, I see what's going on and it's all *****. You can't even private msg. each other on this site. I'd rather keep my browser's toolbar space free for Web Dev Toolbar, my Bookmarks folder, my FF addons, and cut out the nonsense that Web 2.***** has inspired in nearly everyone. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I just hope it's going to be only an add-on..
- HsoKinees, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2i'm highly against social networks.. they're evil! i hope there's a way to completely disable it, if it does indeed come bundled with FF :(
- omarciddo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I use Flock regularly and don't find it too bad; I'm a bit of a Flickr nut so their "bloat" is convenient for me, but having Myspace and Facebook integrated into Firefox taking up unnecessary resources is a surefire way to get me to stay with Flock. It's one thing to have a plugin or two, but having the entire functionality of the site integrated into the browser kinda takes away from the purpose of even having the site, don't you think?
- pickypg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@chrono13
I mostly agree, but I wonder if this could make FireFox mainstream at the cost of its most important user base: its contributors. While I don't contribute to FireFox other than reporting the odd bug I spot, I know that I would stop contributing to a browser that I wouldn't even want to use (one combined with the aforementioned feature). It would be fine as a plug-in, but we're not talking about a plug-in... - gregpc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I've been using Flock since June and love it. I downloaded it to check out, then began using it as my third browser (behind FF and Safari) and found it moving up the stack until it is where it is today - my favorite and default browser.
- Jammerdelray, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Extensions for social networking is still a much better idea. If they do this then what separates Firefox from a Flock? Been loyal to Firefox but if this happens I might start looking for a alternative browser.
- Hobofuzz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1What ever happened to Firefox being the "Slim web browser with the small memory footprint" that was created because Mozilla got too bloated?
- Hobofuzz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Been using Firefox since it was called Firebird?
Bitch about Mozilla turning Firefox into another Seamonkey! - GamerzCorner, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1FTA
"...you simply drag it into their avatar (see mockups below)."
Did i miss something or was there no "mockups below" -
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