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- brettalton, on 10/12/2007, -0/+33It's not like it won't curculate through Torrents and P2P though.
- MalDON, on 10/12/2007, -0/+18They only shut down viststorrent.com because they know thepiratebay.org is much better :p
- Haroldx, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11So true, brettalton
I still think Microsoft is dumb for shutting down vistatorrent.com - Jugalator, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Eh, *nix guys would never order either Vista CD's or DVD's. :-p
- dotorg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I have to admit I'm rather impressed with it. People with spare hardware may want to take a look at it. People who sell Windows software really need to. Don't install it on your primary system, though. Its very fast at times, and bizarrely slow as mud in winter at other times. Half the programs I've got don't run properly on it. So many programs need administrator rights (which you can no longer grant to programs automatically), you're constantly clicking away warning dialogs.
They weren't joking when they said they were going to change what they need and break what they must to really improve the core system. Hardware and software support for the beta is poor, though, so be warned. - szembek, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Yes, they expire next year. I think in June '07. It tells you this sometime during the download process.
- estvir, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4no, it was planned this way * BEFORE * he left.
- veza, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Okay, If I download it after 30th. day from Torrents or similiar, does it still work ? I mean, is there some built-in "install before date" ? Sounds dumb..
- dotorg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3An older spare system that is relatively quick? Yeah. But you don't want to run it on your primary system, as you'll probably discover a good number of your programs don't work, and the same may be true of your hardware. (They have a "Vista Upgrade" program you can run that will check for drivers for your hardware)
I've got it on a 1.5ghz celeron M with a gig of RAM and it runs just fine most of the time, although a very large percentage of the software on it had to be marked to run in Windows XP compatibility mode, and a half dozen had to be explicitly granted administrator rights (essentially like flagging the executable to be run by "sudo" on Linux). Once in a while the UI goes out to lunch, but if I let it sit, it'll always come back. I've had no crashes of the system itself. When a program goes south, it grays it out and kills it gracefully.
My biggest complaint (and the reason I can't run it as the Windows version on my only "real" windows box at home is that Vista's SMB support is not compatible with stable releases of Samba, which means servers you don't want to update and essentially all NAS boxes do not work with it. I've got a Terastation and two other fileservers that I can't easily update which I can't access from the Vista box. - jedi_master, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I am actually running on Vista at the moment, and have had two problems so far, caused by a hard drive failure and a power failure. I've enjoyed using it thoroughly.
- nullptr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The bits surely will, but MS still controls the product key licensing. This really isn't such a big deal though, there's already a post-beta2 build out for official beta testers.
- szembek, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Just dual boot it on your primary box.
- EricTheGrey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"So many programs need administrator rights (which you can no longer grant to programs automatically), you're constantly clicking away warning dialogs."
THAT is the biggest complaint I have about Vista. I understand the security, and why it is there, but at some poing, you have got to be able to tell the OS that it is OK for your ANTI-VIRUS PROGRAM to run. I finally disabled the entire thing, so now it tells me my system is at risk. THAT is what people will do, which will just lead us back to the problems we now have with every other Windows OS since '95.
For what it's worth, the beta is stable enough to give it a good look-see, if you use windows.
EtG - Dolemack, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I won't need it when it comes out, why would I need it now?
- eddieo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I'm curious if MS will somehow disable the betas when they release the complete version. Will they have the capability to do that?
- cquinnd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1IIRC The overall Vista rating is based on the lowest rated individual component in the system. It is partially designed to help identify areas to upgrade if possible, to get a better Vista experience.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"Eh, *nix guys would never order either Vista CD's or DVD's. :-p"
Exactly why he was making an attack on MS. - pcheaven2k, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I signed up for a DVD (paid the $10 or so) and had it three days later. Course it is on DVD and my laptop doesn't have any INTERNAL DRIVE (Fuitsu Lifebook P1510D) and I only have an External CDRW for it so I haven't been able to play with it yet.....ARGH!
Not that it matters, can't run AERO anyway cause Intel won't release drivers for the 810 Video Chipset for Vista. - Kruncher, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I was using the Ubuntu Dapper Alphas (before Beta...) since Alpha 2, it was pretty much rock solid. By pretty much, I mean it never crashed.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1wow what is wrong with you people?
i'm not "making an attack" on anyone; i'm simply saying that i signed up to receive a cd or dvd or whatever they send it on - i obviously don't know because i haven't received mine - literally 3 months ago and i have not received anything.
that's all.
yeesh. - smb3d, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I downloaded the torrent for the version that was released a couple of days ago, and my license key for Beta 2 worked for the install and activation. I know it is still probably a timed key, but I was surprised that It worked. Just thought I'd let people know.
- cquinnd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1if you go into the advanced settings under power management, you might be able to set the shutdown button to actually shutdown instead of going to standby. On ATX and better motherboards, pressing the
power button on the case should send the shutdown command to Windows as well. - hateraide, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I have a cheap ass Athlon XP computer w/ 512mb of ram in it that I put together for aprox. $200.00. It's Vista rating is a 1, but it runs just fine. Nero 7 won't install but Nero 6 works fine. Half life 2 runs a hell of a lot better on Vista for me than it did with XP too. I just don't get why everyone is bashing it. It's still in beta.
- szembek, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1It will work if you go get the product key through them before the 30th. When you go through the process of downloading the iso you get a valid product key from MS.
- Terc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I have the beta running on a spare machine, but I can't understand from a productivity point of view what is supposed to convince my company that they need to upgrade. I'm not even convinced. It seems as though it's a pretty new UI, and, well a pretty new UI. That's it. Anyone care to enlighten me on what I've missed. Please remember, this is from a productivity point of view, I don't care about gaming etc.
- Mutifus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Its very fast at times, and bizarrely slow as mud in winter at other times. Half the programs I've got don't run properly on it."
<sarcasm>
Sounds great - where do I sign up?
</sarcasm> - dsn0wman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Microsoft to English translation.
Beta = Alpha
Consumer Release = Beta
Consumer Release + 2 Years = Usable - Tetrode, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I had it installed on my P4 system (for about an hour) the first thing I noticed was that it acting real sluggish, which shouldn't ever be the case on with a P4/3GHZ/1GB. Then I noticed that when I looked in task manager that my CPU was pegged to the wall! I wasn't running any apps, the system was like that just sitting idle. I said the hell with this and nuked it, like I need to get my CPU cooked just to run this POS, I don't think so! BTW, a side from the issue I already mentioned I was very un-impressed with it. If this OS is the future of what the PC universe is going to be like then I'm now officially way closer to buying a MAC than I ever was before.
- trevmonster, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Yep agree with dotorg. I've got it running on a 3 year old dell and it does fairly well, most of the time. I can kill it by trying to map a drive to it from my laptop which makes it toss a system error and shut down...very strange. I am running it on my main box but it's multi-boot so if it crashes/trashes I don't care. In fact, I want it to so I can try the CompletePC restore which is the new ImageX system. Basically byte level volume imaging versus sector based so I should be able to nondestructively restore the whole system image...that would be cool I think.
- jhkilroy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0
I have been playing with Vista and was very un-impressed... they bury the shutdown command the interface looks nicer than XP's but is not on par with os x's ... 5 years later and this is the best they could do ? - estvir, on 10/12/2007, -9/+9umm, you do realise that you could only order a * DVD * when it as publicly launched which WASN'T 3 months ago.
what have you and your *nix buddies been smoking lately ? - Joga5000, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I've been using it as my primary OS for a few weeks now (just built a new computer, and I'm too cheap to buy OEM XP Home). It does what I need it to: Internet, word processing, games (games are the only reason I don't use Linux as my primary OS). It's a tad bit unstable (I crash at least twice a day, usually while playing games), but other than that it's just a prettier version of XP.
- dotorg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I should also add that the box I have it on is a Dell B130 laptop, so even a $400 laptop runs it well enough, and it plays nice with Grub, as I dual boot Ubuntu on there as well.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1better get your free copy of vista before your copy of ZP locks up and you cant use your computer
http://digg.com/software/Microsoft_WGA_might_lock_your_OS_come_September - SeanFL, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0just downloaded the 3.3g image! and after installing it, Vista takes up 6.8g on my machine. XP took up 2.25 gig. Wow, what bloat!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3"People with spare hardware may want to take a look at it. "
"Don't install it on your primary system, though"
So it will run just fine on an older, spare system? - ronaldb, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1"Its very fast at times, and bizarrely slow as mud in winter at other times. Half the programs I've got don't run properly on it."
Wow, they must be getting close to a release.. Windows XP behaves like that... - Koptor, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0They lie indeed. They are probably removing the original Beta2 build for the new one that was released on Connect a few days ago (not sure if this was released to public though, I'm a tester..)
- pmckenna, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0"Course it is on DVD and my laptop doesn't have any INTERNAL DRIVE ... I can't run AERO anyway cause Intel won't release drivers for the 810 Video Chipset for Vista."
Why would you pay $10 for something you knew you wouldn't be able to install or run? - LeapFrog, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0The link that M$loth has on their web site is for beta 5384 but the current beta is 5456.
Zzzzz. - Mutifus, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2I think I'll wait until it's actually finished. Using beta software is one thing, but an OS? Mmm... I don't think so.
Come on Microsoft, hurry up. - mikeabundo, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2Man, they're really shutting the doors after Scoble left...
- Yokai, on 10/12/2007, -7/+4Testing Vista would be such a pain. Honestly, its too bugy right now for anybody to enjoy. People who want it probably already have it.
- Spuby, on 10/12/2007, -6/+2"The Windows Vista Beta 2 code is available in limited quantities, and we've almost reached that limit and expect to close the program shortly,"
Marketing bluff. Almost reaching that limit means that they still have a good 20-30% of the positions opened and they're trying to fill that before the final release is out (if ever). - wastern, on 10/12/2007, -8/+3i'm installing it right now. its at 75%, its taking forever. i'm just going to end up laughing at it for a few minutes then installing SLED to try out where suse is heading, it looks like it should be pretty good
- Wisgary, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1Never really worked for me, I tried and I tried and I tried and I TRIED AGAIN and I could never get it to work, and I could never figure out what the problem was... sigh. It just always crashes during the boot process. Only one in every 20 boots actually gets through, and it's totally random. I have no idea what's causing it, it happens even while Vista installs, as a matter of fact, I had to install it in safe mode! They can shove Vista right up their ass, I'll keep XP and Ubuntu on a dual boot config thank you very much.
- MichelKuik, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1i'm not gonna hurry for microsoft :)
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -15/+4i signed up for a cd like 3 months ago...never came...
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