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- BlindIrishman, on 10/12/2007, -12/+43Starter - $65 Features: Bleeding edge technology that only allows 3 programs to run at a time!
Basic - $100 Features: XP with a new non transparent areo theme!
Premium - $175 Features: The first edition to feature the Vista kernel
Business - $220 Features: All new vulurabilities, the perfect match for your special tech support center
Enterprise - $299 Features: New barcoded log in method, A must for all billion dollar corporations! (allready in use at mircrosoft)
Ultimate - $499 Features: Take off the overclocking prevention tool, allowing games to be played. You must have this for any xbox 360 interation and to use your mouse. Without this version, video cards will not work, and only half your hd will be avaliable. Your RAM will also be halved. - RockOfVictory, on 10/12/2007, -4/+19Looks like Randall jumped the gun. The post has been changed from "November" to "the second half of this year, and the exact delivery date will ultimately be determined by the quality of the product."
- j_bellone, on 10/12/2007, -16/+30Except OS X does not run my games, Visual Studio 2007, school software, and many other applications that I need. But yeah, "best OS out there." Please. There is no "best OS out there" it is what you make of it. I have personally experienced more crashes (including a vast number of hang-ups) on OS X than I have on my XP machine.
- pivic, on 10/12/2007, -8/+21I wonder how much RAM Windows Vista and Office 2007 will demand, running simultaneously while Internet Explorer 7 reloads a few tabs and Windows Media Player plays a video?
- ProAm500, on 10/12/2007, -5/+17i got a hunch that requirements wont be as bad as people think....maybe thats just me
- skellener, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11Better to wait until it's out and build it then. You'll have real world specs and prices will drop on hardware from now until then.
- j_bellone, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10That article says November absolutely nowhere in it. Vista has been slated for the end of 2006 for a few months now.
- nads, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Quote from that blog: "This is the year… the year that Microsoft releases the newest version of Windows. " Really? Well done Sherlock. :|
- YourTechSupport, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10I'll keep XP, kthx.
Actually. I'm stockpiling any pre-"Trusted Computing" hardware I can get my hands on. - deadbaby, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13Microsoft is going to have their hands full trying to sell Vista. I can never remember an OS release that included this much negative PR. Some of it's true, some isn't. Either way, I am amazed how many consumers are put off by Vista. It reminds me a lot of Windows ME or some of the buggy versions of Mac OS (pre X) People seem to believe the absolute worst about Vista. I actually find myself almost wanting to defend Microsoft and tell them to wait and see how it turns out instead of beleiving internet fairy tales. Almost...
- swax, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12I hate how whenever the 'new features' of Vista are presented to users, they are always dumbed down to only what the user can see. Would it kill them to mention a new class of interactive application interfaces provided by XAML. Or how how integral low level parts of the system of been revised (kernal, network, audio). It just bugs me that reviews fail to mention the immense frameworks, .Net, WPF, WCF, microsoft has been creating for the past 6 years and is now coming to head with the release of Vista. The user interface stuff is trivial and just the tip of the iceburg.
- wes121593, on 10/12/2007, -6/+14I'm not gonna upgrade immediately. I'm gonna wait and have OTHERS experience and deal with every security issue then I'll wait for developers to create applications to fix those and then I'll ask others for there input and then I _MIGHT_ dual-boot Vista and Linux
- Anth, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Forget XP, I still havent upgraded from Win2k.
- MikeEnIke, on 10/12/2007, -7/+14I'm not planning on upgrading. I'll rock my XP and Slackware dual-boot for a while. I didn't upgrade to windows xp until like 2003.
- ThinkFr33ly, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8I agree. There are some fantastic things going on deep down within Windows. Some of the changes to the TCP stack, for instance, could increase available bandwidth over high latency connections by 500% . There are kernel changes to the scheduler that will dramatically improve UI responsiveness and make truly flicker free UIs a reality. The new version of ClearType is incredible. The work they've done with the printing subsystems are leaps and bounds ahead of anything else out there. Etc.
A lot of these innovations are gone over in detail in the "Going Deep" videos on http://channel9.msdn.com. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -10/+17I know this will be looked at as a Mac troll, but it's honestly true that most if not all of the end-user features in Vista can be traced to Apple's OS X. From the two-tone plastic highlights (Aqua from five years ago!) to the vector-based, hardware-composited interface to the calendar, photo,and DVD making applications. And so on.
I think it's wrong for Microsoft not to get called on this. They've been so far behind in OS development this decade. I'm happy to see Apple getting the recognition it deserves from the tech press these past couple of years, because using OS X for a day and then going back to Windows makes you realize Windows feels about five years behind in general feel and usage.
I mean, sheesh, Apple already did the translucent window border thing and abandoned it around version 10.3! Microsoft is going through the interface progress and mistakes that Apple already went through years ago. It's obvious the marketing department just wanted to show off blurry window borders for no good reason. Real-time video preview in the taskbar? Hello, OS X circa 2000! - j_bellone, on 10/12/2007, -11/+18Most of these people have not even used Vista, and don't even remember that all that juicy Aero-glass ***** can be turned off just like in XP to bring you back to the nice, slick, Windows 2000 look and feel. They are just looking to pick at anything and everything that Microsoft are doing, and can't admit to themselves that Windows XP is a great operating system.
These are the same people that think its cool, funny, hip, "Linuxy", to call/spell Microsoft M$, Micro$haft, Micro$oft, etc. - karamba_kid, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10I don't plan on upgrading any time soon, and since this operating system will probably need some extra hardware to go along with it I would just upgrade to a mac. I would consider Vista if it had Unix under it's hood ;) Dual booting ubuntu and XP is all I need right now, really I don't ever boot into windows anymore.
- j_bellone, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8What would the next step be for Microsoft exactly? Of course they are going to overhaul the GUI. Take a look at the Windows XP default GUI and you would damn well want to change that as well. Sure the new Vista GUI is fancy and everything, but I don't need that to be productive. Just like I don't need the OS X GUI to be productive either. I am not saying that they did not take stuff from Apple, but come on, they both take stuff from each other and that's a fact. The new search features have been in development for Vista (and known) before Apple even mentioned Finder. So stop complaining about sour Apples (no pun intended, really!).
As someone else said, Apple can cater their operating system to their hardware only. Not only is the operating system going to be more jumpy, boot quicker, and run better. Take a thought about what Microsoft is doing. They are literally supporting thousands of computer configurations! Windows XP installs without a hitch (unless you have an SATA drive, which truely pisses me off) and runs perfectly fine on anything that Windows 2000 can run on (with a good amount of RAM).
I am not saying that Apple's operating system is not good, because obviously it is, but you need to give Microsoft credit as well. Apple's operating system does not run on all the configurations that XP does, and Vista will likely run on everything that XP does as well (sans the low-end processer Windows 2000 machines) without all the fancy *****.
As for the security stuff. There were more bugs found in the Linux kernel last year than in Microsoft's whole operating system. What do you get with a Linux distribution (any of them?). A ***** load of software that you most likely will never run! Just like Microsoft! How many of you are going to use CVS, SVN, or Apache? Not many, and if you are, you are specifically installing the opearting system for that use. Think about the percentage OF THE WORLD that Windows is running on, and then think about exactly how many security holes there really are. Of course it has viruii, APPLE has less than a 15 percent GLOBAL market share.
The weakest link in security is the end user. The secretary at the desk, joe-user at the terminal, and your grandmother. You can't write any type of software that will stop user-stupidity. Because if someone really wants that software on that computer, they will get it on there (home systems), and there is nothing you can do about. - saiko, on 10/12/2007, -8/+14Does not say November in the post. Please RTFA before posting
- ender52, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Add 3ds Max and AutoCAD to that list. Are those programs crap? I think not...
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9Most people are cynical about Vista because Microsoft seems to have just stopped by a MacWorld one day and jotted down whatever cool features OS X had so they could clone it.
Think about it, Mac users have already been using all these "new" features for the past five years. Now, in November of 2006, Windows users are finally not going to run in admin accounts, will have a hardware composited GUI, a calendar app, etc. And most of it is all implemented in really slow, bloated .NET APIs, so now you have an arbitrary, pointless intermediate binary layer.
In other words, OS X will smoke Vista in benchmarks because OS X code is totally native while Vista wants you to use bloated .NET code and add a complete intermediate layer between your code and the resulting executable binary, all to bloat hardware requirements to get you to buy a new PC (and thereby help out the OEM vendors...you guessed it...who have contracts signed with Microsoft). - XSforMe, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6I know you are just trolling, but honestly, anybody using a non NT derived version of windows must really be in love with the BSOD.
- syclonefx, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10So Apple has no DRM on any thing they make?? I can't listen to the music I buy from iTunes on any other MP3 Player beside the iPod. The movies you download from iTunes has DRM in them right? I can't go the Apple store and buy OSX for my PC and install it out of the box with out some kind of hack to get around the protection that allows you to only install it on a PC that Apple makes. Even though the hardware is exactly the same. Bill Gates didn't get up on morning and say let put all this DRM into Windows. It the RIAA and the MPAA that makes Microsoft and Apple put this in their OS%u2019s. They want to make sure we can't copy music and movies on our systems. Apple has the same restrictions.
- ellingswin, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10Who is gonna use IE 7 anyway?
- fungible, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Will it have a little cartoon dog to help you do a search? Cuz I really can't work without that.
- Monoboy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6@bonchbonch
I went to a Microsoft enrollment seminar thing--for programmers coming out of school to get an internship with Microsoft.
Anyway one of the guys there at the seminar was a guy who programed a lot primarily for Linux applications and helping with the Linux kernel. He said that he ending up getting hired to work on Windows Vista because he worked so much on Linux.
I think Microsoft is taking a strong look at Mac OS X and Linux to see what direction they need to go in.
Security is definitely a large issue now. Apparently every program that is put directly into Windows Vista has to be checked over by a large security team, checking for any vulnerability that the component could have.
It might be scary to say this, but I think Windows Vista will be the best Microsoft OS to date.
The only thing that scares me is the DRM and trusted computing factors, which makes me think I'm going to stick with XP for a year or two until I decide it's "safe" to upgrade to Vista. - teamparadox, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10give me a break, it wont need 800mb while idle
- TomFrankFlyer, on 10/12/2007, -8/+12Alright, now all I have to do is build my new PC.
- Xiol, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5As long as they've got rid of the bubbles...
Those little ***** bubbles that pop up in your system tray.
"You have unused icons on your desktop" - you click it to go away, and it comes back again literally two seconds later. (I know this can be disabled but we don't do it on all our 500 boxes we manage, so when we logon as local admin it tends to pop up).
"Take a tour of Windows XP!" practically EVERY ***** time I logon to an XP box.
Then there's all those programs that drop items in your system tray and use popups to notify you of stuff like updates and such (Java, Flash come to mind). While I don't think there is currently a better way of doing it, I hope they have come up with something cos those bubbles piss me off no end. - GerryDaman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I'd probably have to upgrade my PC before I get Vista. Who wants to be the guinea pig for security fixes and other bugs? NOT ME!!!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9"There are kernel changes to the scheduler that will dramatically improve UI responsiveness and make truly flicker free UIs a reality. "
That has nothing to do with the kernel and everything to do with the GPU buffer, now that the GPU is compositing the interface (just like OS X circa 2002).
"The work they've done with the printing subsystems are leaps and bounds ahead of anything else out there."
Apple's Quartz has had dead-accurate printing since 2000 because its object graph corresponds directly with PDF, a descriptive subset of PostScript. Microsoft is just following Apple's lead here (and trying to replace PDF with "XPS," which isn't gonna fly). - arkanoid, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I'll wait untill SP 1 too
- lexbaby, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Yes, OS X is probably "nicer" or "fancier" or "faster." However, has everyone forgotten that OS X is written by the hardware manufactuer? Sure, MS is behind the times, but their software has to run on Intel, AMD, ATI, NVidia, Maxtor, Seagate, Western Digital, ECS, ABit, Asus, Netgear, Linksys, etc., etc., and so forth.
- KillerX, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8I agree, why use ***** Vista when you can use Mac OS X.
I'm sure all the Microsoft Windows Butt Monkey Lemming Fan Boys will get their panties in a bunch over negative Vista comments, but that's what I find amusing.
If Vista is released in November that means the first official Vista virus should hit then as well, now that's exciting. - Darth_tater, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4ya i was wondering about that, but i "ctr + F" and i search for november, and it never said november, it sais it in comments.
- jeffgtr, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I just don't see any compelling reason to upgrade. When win2k came out I was first in line, the only reason I upgraded to xp was because I built a new computer and had to reformat and reinstall anyway. I may upgrade to Vista when it's time for a new box (from what I read I'd probably have to do that anyway). It will be AT LEAST a year before I even think about it. Granted back when they were talking about WinFS it sounded like it would be worth the trouble. But now, my opinion is why bother?
- Trevahaha, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3This is just stupid, Vista is more than just a new UI. There's just countless features including new networking stack, new sound interface, incredibly improved indexing (the old indexing service sucked), parental controls, least-privileged sandbox for IE, improved firewall (in & out filtering), etc etc. The problem is most people are just interested in screen-shots or don't have a clue what is going at a lower level of an OS and just don't "get it." Because of this, Microsoft has to change the GUI so that people who don't know anything look at it and say "oh, i see.. it's different," because they don't have any value for what's going on behind the scenes. It's like people who want a shiny new car, but have no idea what's going on.
- Rosco, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3you all can go first, I'm going to hold onto WinXP for a while. If it works, don't fix it.
- paleblueeyes, on 10/12/2007, -11/+14"As you can see, Vista offers the best user interface of any operating system available today."
that was pretty funny. - jimio, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5you steal it?
- mhl12, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6I'm not gonna get right when it comes out. Just like windows xp, I'm gonna wait a few years for the price to go down and most importantly for them to fix all the bugs.
- B0jangles, on 10/12/2007, -13/+16"As you can see, Vista offers the best user interface of any operating system available today"
Just like MacOSX
Anyone know how much this Da Vinci Code of an OS will cost? - DigeratiPrime, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4just boycott the drm crap. then it will slowly go away.
- sulestis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Yeah, the only thing I care about is the date it is leaked. My guess is September or early October.
- Darth_tater, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3actuly i thinkit will be laeked a bit sooner than the release.
- shattadeya, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5How has it been 7 years of development? Vista was built on Windows Server 2003 OS. Unless math is different when i was growing up 2006 - 2003 = 3. Vista is more than just a GUI upgrade. Wait and see.
- GeeBrr, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8According to http://dreampc.ca/2006/03/windows_vista_requirements.htm
Vista uses 800 MB when idle and takes up 7 GB of space in installing. - whalesalad, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5"As you can see, Vista offers the best user interface of any operating system available today. The new user interface will make finding your data easier and also allow you to work faster with important new features like Quick Search and Windows Flip3d."
All those screenshots look like 256-color..... - grat2001, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6
I wonder if they will try to re-launch Halo 2 for Vista at the same time to counter the PS3??? -
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