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- nreynolds, on 10/12/2007, -1/+21Wait. There's news OUTSIDE of America too now? This is just too much to believe.
- jzaw, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16xartion did you say crap??
oh I'm so sorry youre bored of being told that there's a war on some where
that ppl are dying and being shot, blown to bits and maimed that families are being decimated ... using your tax dollars (or what ever country youre in) if you dont condemn it youre complicit with it
maybe youd prefer some google earth map pins for britney spears next concerts?
maybe youd like to meet at the mall and we could go shopping for the latest colour in glitter nail polish?
xartion you can stfu
some of us are actually interested in our fellow humans who find themselves in intolerable situations
this GE presentation really brings home the frightening scale of the Israeli incursions and the extent of the attacks ... BIG UP and THANKS to the person/s who took the effort to put it together - neoknight, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6@xartion
get off the planet - dakari, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Wikimapia is also good for tying in location to info...
- j0c1f3r, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5moonpies......what a wonderful time to be alive.....
- neoconcanuck, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5I can't believe some people blame Israel for this round of violence. What the hell else can they do? They try to negotiate and get nothing in return. They try evacuating settlements and get violence in return. At any other time in history a country with the military superiority of Israel would be laying waste to Lebanon.
- s11mac, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6If you end the occupation that will be a start. Everything will change once you give the lands back and acknowledge their rights. If you let them live, they will let you alone. The only solution is peace and prosperity. Look at the "well to do" Arab nations, they don't even offer lip-service now.
Throughout history it has been shown that oppression never works even in the face of overwhelming might.
Right now Israel is doing it because it can get away with it. Nobody has come out in an unequivocally to say that its actions are unconscionable. UN is a puppet in the hands of US. - Bhima, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3crop irrigation
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6Yes. It is a tiny country - but it's one that's given millitary hardware by the USA, including nukes. And that's where the problems arise. It's a small country, yet jews from all over the world go to fight in the army - that's a hell of a lot of manpower with hardware supplied from elsewhere. Like it or not, Israel uses excessive force because it can.
- sproutworks, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2They've also used Google Earth on CNN to show animations of the conflict, you can see the Google copyright at the bottom of the screen. I've also seen it used on other news channels to show many other areas. Maybe they'll even start to use it for weather and traffic reports too. Maybe Google should use their new overlay system to display climate information.
- Gronkk, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3True. I'm glad that there are people like you who are aware of the fact that the US media is manipulative. I wish somehow people like you could find a way to enlighten the people at large to tell the people in power to stop their insane policies.
Unfortunately the US culture is such is that you'd be written off as a terrorist communist hippie.... - Inbal, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2What I meant to say was that the Jews who came to Palestine during the last century had no intention to "steal" the land, or to pose any problem for the region. You may think that's naive, but that's your decision. The Jews' assembling in Israel is a result of pre- and post-holocaust anti-semitism. I read an article in the New York Times just three days ago about the life-threats Jewish Poles had to tolerate during the 50'. These people had no where to go, do you understand that?
Our days are the first time since the days before the establishment of Israel when Jews and Muslims have a chance to live together in a nation-state, because only now Israelis are starting to understand that by fighting to practice their Judaism autonomously, they've been turning people against them even more, instead of demanding religious freedom everywhere. Probably because until this century it would have gotten them killed. Israel is a country made up of many traumatized people, and if you have no understanding or tolerance for that, I have to ask myself if you can even understand the state Palestinians are in. Because I can.
I think the reason for the disintegration of the peaceful Jewish/Muslim texture in pre-Israel Palestine was pressure from neighbouring Muslim countries who are making the same mistake Jews have been doing for years, and I think you are doing now, by protecting their people with delimitation. When the holocaust survivors came into the picture, how could they have not been terrified by that situation?
There is war right now, and throughout the existence of Israel, because extremist Islamists don't want rights for the Palestinians, they want us gone, and because many Israelis still don't realize they're justifying the extremists' acts by not accepting non-Jews, in a desperate attempt to defend themselves. If anything is simple, this is simple, and repetitive, and tragic.
Using terminology like "occupation", "apartheid" etc. makes matters 10 times worse, because it makes Israelis think they're being attacked for being here, just like you openly present it, instead of saying loud and clear: there are people who have been living in Israel's domain for centuries and don't yet hold an Israeli citizenship; that is an outrage, regardless of religion. There are people who were wronged during the establishment of our country that must be compensated immediately, and integrated into society. End of story.
That will never happen as long as Jews are made to feel threatened in their own home, and our neighbours know it, but they just don't give a damn. - Daisuke, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3hammerattack: well, the strangest bit is that though civilian casualties may be accidents on Israels' part, they're a helluva lot more effective than Hezbullah in killing citizens when that's Hezbullah's primary target.
- ikak, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I dunno what people are thinking when they say things like, learn more about the geography and the people and the country. What the EFF is there to learn. People are frikkin dieing all around the world for stupid reasons. I don't understand why countries like the U.S. have to make their point by destroying half the world. And I also don't understand why countries like Iraq and people like Bin Laden and them decide to make threats and try to piss off countries like the U.S.
I see no point to this war, or the war in Iraq, or any other war really. If you've got issues with another country, don't bomb the shti outta the people who have no idea why you're bombing them. Just kick the country's leader's ass in the back alley or something. Or better yet, take him online. - frobbe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2#transmitThis
The circles are normal fields, they are made that way to make Auto Watering equipment work easier, since rain tends to be a rare occurrence down there - birdwatcher3000, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@glimpse
"The point is that most Arab governments educate their citizens that all of their problems is because of Israel, and therefore should be destroyed."
"The IDF is a moral army much more than I can describe here."
Sounds like your goverment also educates you that the IDF is a moral army while the Arabs are the whackos.
I bet they tell you that the IDF is on a crusade.
Personally I feel that the Israeli's and Arabs deserve each other. You guys are all nuts.
@Inbal
"The point of the picture was to show the absurdity of the Arabic hysteria from the evil, greedy, super-smart Jews who dare to take any piece of land from this Earth for themselves; It doesn't advocate any political view."
The point of the picture was the impose a false impression. We are not as naive as you think. - hammerattack, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Like they said, irrigation. You can see a lot of these across the sunbelt here in the US. It's not the most efficient use of land, but it's the least expensive way to irrigate in terms of both equipment and labor. With a small population, labor intensive is something you try to avoid.
If you think that's wierd, look at a map of Arizona/New Mexico where they have all the natural gas and oil wells. It looks like a printed circuit board. - rogueman, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Probably you're not interested in this either, but except from people dying this is the second conflict in an already unstable area and getting very close to a casus belli with Iran. Which, and again you probably do not care, would be a big s*** hitting the fan.
Me, not really gonna affected. Live in a neutral part of Europe, drive a diesel on short distances and don't plan to travel abroad very much. So even if one or several countries decide they'd better nuke the opponent then get the shaft... I'll still be watching my anime at home. But somehow i still find myself wishing for more (quality) news, not less. - Stoutlimb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Inbal: People resort to insults when they have run out of valid arguments.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3And I have a sneaking suspicion that you just backtracked there big time. Why come out with stupid comments like you did? What point does it serve, aside from making yourself look ignorant? Perhaps it is time to grow up and stop whining because your favourite cartoons are pushed back ten minutes by the news reporting on events in the middle east.
- glimpse, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6Israel gets some of its military hardware from the US (but much is developed in Israel, and some of it is sold to the US too). US never gave Israel atom bomb, it was France who helped Israel.
A lot of man power? Nope. The IDF is one of the smallest armies in the middle east.
And, Israel uses excessive force because it must, not because it can. The IDF is a moral army much more than I can describe here. - TransmitThis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Good use of GEarth there
just had a look and while there noticed just to the right of the Gaza strip there are lots of circles?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v32/tristansmith/Temp/Circles.jpg
Anyone want to tell me what they are? (too lazy to find out myself) lol - CyberBeast, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5We already ended occupation - we signed Oslo agreements but instead we got suicide bombing and “kasam” missiles from Gaza.
We exited Lebanon and instead we got hizbollah firing on our cities.
It is time for military action.
We will talk later. - Daisuke, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1that was sarcasm.. right?
- birdwatcher3000, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@neoconcanuck
"At any other time in history a country with the military superiority of Israel would be laying waste to Lebanon."
Isn't that what you have been doing in the past 58 years? - Inbal, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Wow, Limb. Even more immature than the previous post.
Let's just transfer everybody to wherever there are people who offended them at some point in history. If there's more than one country, we'll rotate. Why not divide all Jews to equal groups and send them back to Europe, just to see how their past offenders like that?
The point of the above thread - which you so skilfully missed - was that there is no real problem with Jews living in Israel, nor with Muslims. There is no population problem that is punishing the Arabs. The problem is people who think they can end disputes by moving people around, like the UN thought when they said "let's send them back to where they came from and end this mess". The people who are continuing this conflict are people like you, Europeans and neighbouring Middle Easterns - Europeans with their obsessive religious and ethnic score-settling and Middle Easterns with their sheer hatred of the other. I'm a Jewish Israeli who wants to live peacefully with Muslim Israelis (I find the term "Palestinian" offensive, since it insists to separate the old Israelis from the new Israelis based on religion - my grandmother was born in Palestine before the establishment of Israel, why is she called an "Israeli" now and not "Palestinian"?) and I'm so fed up with cynical activists who want to tell everybody what they did wrong instead of thinking a little out of the box and out of that narrow, narrow, no matter how enlightened, mind. - Sukino, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irrigation
- habibcs, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Better use Wiki Mapia for proper tagging in a better manner.
http://www.wikimapia.com/ - hammerattack, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5jzaw: you might want to consider that the frightening thing is not the Israel incursions, but the extent of the Hezbullah/Hamas/Al-Aqsa/Syrian/Iranian attacks on the civilian population of Israel. While Israel is killing civilians as a side effect of attacking the military assets of Hezbullah, Hezbullah is killing civilians as military targets.
- birdwatcher3000, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@jzaw
*****.
US TV and radio stations only feed US citizens what the US goverment allows them to.
There are tens of conflicts all around the globe yet we hear nothing about them. - webcrumb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Google Earth Pro.
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Plus this application: "Google Earth Industries : Defense & Intelligence" further makes me think Google is run by the NSA. :) - TransmitThis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Thanks frobbe :)
- nataliaz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1They have been using google-earth in this way on Israeli TV news regularly to show what is going on where....I wonder who copied what?
- MicroBerto, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Driving Directions:
To Here"
No thanks! I hope no one else's troops need to go there either. - sk545, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3@sapient,
umm, have you heard of practice? I mean, if you had all these weapons, you'd be "dying" to try them out and see how they perform. Lives? Since when did that become an issue...? Plus you use these weapons, then more are needed, so your employment goes up in the businesses that make these weapons.
Trust me...Israel would never attack Lebanon if Lebanon had the same firepower as Israel. They [Israel] are too big of a pussy to do to that..
Moral of story: If you are a country, then invest in tons of WMD's. Then no-one will even question you. - Stoutlimb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"The point of the above thread - which you so skilfully missed - was that there is no real problem with Jews living in Israel, nor with Muslims."
An amazingly nonsensical statement, disproved by the fact that there is a war going on, and the entire history of Israel is one of war. Israel has been defending itself from "agressors" ever since they stole the land in the first place.
If you don't think Israel stole the land they are living on, please explain to me what say the locals in the area had regarding the creation of Israel. - Stoutlimb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Inbal: And I think you're over complicating matters that should be very simple. Jews stole the land from the arabs (with the UK and Britain's assistance), and the arabs want it back. It's that simple.
Lasting peace can only be achieved by addressing that root problem, or by having a regional nuclear war. Israelis refuse to accept the fact that the creation of their country is based on a crime. So eventually, one of Israel's opponents will develop a nuclear bomb, and use it, and then we will have lasting peace.
It's sad that the world is coming to this, but that's what happens when countries refuse to admit their crimes. - didaio, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1You can use .kml file in Google Maps. Try to enter URL of .kml to search box in Google Maps and you recieve this: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=http://almashriq.hiof.no/lebanon/900/910/912/maps/Lebanon_July_2006.kmz&ie=UTF8&ll=33.739187,35.897141&spn=1.678675,2.568054&om=1
- Inbal, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Sorry for babbling on a Wiki Mapia reply... This was supposed to go one comment up.
- Stoutlimb, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I, and many other people, disagree with your assertion. In my opinion, Israel is bombing civillians deliberately, and denying it to the press to buy time, so they can kill enough civillians. Keep in mind, the first bombs fell on the main Beirut civillian airport, not the millitary ones.
- Gronkk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1It's people like xartion who are the most dangerous people in this conflict.
Bored disinterested US tax payers... - bobothn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1you have to remember tho that in this case the groupe that they are fighting are trying to genicide a nation. i agree that 2 rational individuals can talk out any problems they are having with out geting angry and find an aceptable answer. the problem is these radical islamist jihad people are not rational.
- Inbal, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Stoutlimb,
I wasn't trying to insult you. I think it's very childish and simplistic to oppose someone's right to defend themselves because you think they did a wrong, especially when you use words like "stole", which are completely manipulative, destructive and untrue. - sapient45, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3can somebody tell me if two Israeli captured soldiers and 3 killed is equivalent to 300 citizens and billion of dollars worth of infrastructure damage?
- thecheat1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1That's an awesome use for google earth. I didn't realize that had progressed as much as it has.
Lots of props to google! - lexi15, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0hey stout, do we have to give you a little history lesson on how the land of israel was a promise from G-D to the Jews??
- Stoutlimb, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2There is your mistake. Israel does not have a moral right to exist, at least not where it is currently located anyways. It makes about as much sense as putting Israel in the US or France.
Israel has the right to exist on land that has previously been owned by the German people. After all, the creation of Israel was an apology for the holocaust. By punishing the Arabs of the region, it's as if the world blames the Arabs for the holocaust.
This is the insanity that is still causing bloodshed. It has to stop, by all moral Jews moving out of Israel, as they do not belong there in the first place. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0See the 2 hour talk given by Webster Tarpley.
http://viper64.blogspot.com/2006/07/webster-tarpley-911-issue-how-to-stop.html
He discussed how to stop WW III.
The current mantra of terrorism is the modern myth that is the basis of all the war activity. - mayam, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0i invite everybody to watch the pictures of the innocent children who died in Qana on July 31. is it possible? is it allowed to have such violence, such criminality in the 21th century? i am loosing my faith in justice. nothing can justify such actions, nothing at all.
- eranshir, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1This is cool.
Those interested in up to date new about the conflict, may want to check the site presented in this story:
http://digg.com/world_news/AJAX_Israel_News_Aggregator -
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