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- unic0rn, on 03/07/2009, -42/+335pfffffffftttt
Dreamweaver is definitely not dying. Neither is Adobe. And I doubt it will for a while. And CS4 renders PHP live, and other nice nifty features, so I still stand fully behind Dreamweaver. - rockon4life45, on 03/07/2009, -25/+211I'd agree, but your average web design kiddie isn't creating these "dynamically-generated web applications," So, no, Dreamweaver is not dying.
- Manchildcartoon, on 03/07/2009, -18/+153Ooh dream weaver
I believe you can get me through the night
Ooh dream weaver
I believe we can reach the morning light - r0g3r, on 03/08/2009, -2/+121Who ever said Dreamweaver was made to simply create static HTML pages? For as long I've known the program (it's first release) it's always supported dynamic pages created through various server or client side technologies.
- waydee, on 03/08/2009, -19/+121This article is taking up space that could be better used by something twitter related, buried.
- deepcut, on 03/08/2009, -0/+65The author is comparing two entirely different things - Dreamweaver (IDE) cannot be compared to Drupal (CMS)! They work together nicely though!
- Natnie, on 03/08/2009, -7/+71I use PHP and Dreamweaver. They don't work terribly together- Dreamweaver even allows for includes. But the main thing I use Dreamweaver for is CSS. Coding CSS in a text editor is a huge pain; Dreamweaver has a GUI for it which is loads simpler.
- srg13, on 03/08/2009, -5/+54"you don't get a good-looking, professionally designed template-based cms system looking like that using notepad..."
Please tell me you are not a web designer... - wing05, on 03/08/2009, -3/+44Static web pages have their purposes as does dynamically generated ones.
Dreamweaver is still an excellent tool for that.
Reminds me of the mid 90s when an ISP I worked for, a sales person sold a grandmother who just wanted to keep in touch with the kids/grand kids a domain name and expensive hosting package. The sales manager had to step in and correct that. - inactive, on 03/08/2009, -20/+61web design kiddie?
wow... snobbery is alive and well
let me guess, you use notepad and that makes you better... sigh - thephosphorbox, on 03/08/2009, -8/+48I use Dreamweaver to code a heck of a lot more than HTML. It's great for scripting languages. No way it's dying.
- inactive, on 03/07/2009, -40/+78uhuh...and what tool do you think people are using the create a cms like drupal or joomla? you don't get a good-looking, professionally designed template-based cms system looking like that using notepad...
there will always be a market for apps like dreamweaver. - Natnie, on 03/08/2009, -0/+34PHP live rendering? Hmm, I should consider upgrading from DW8.
- solid12345, on 03/08/2009, -4/+37Who gives a ***** if they export from photoshop. I hate code snobs. Most people have a decent enough computer and connection nowadays they can easily load up a site even if it is made up of poorly compressed jpegs.
You know most clients out there who need websites are small businesses, restaurants, etc. The real screwjob is all the programmers out there looking to bilk them for thousands of dollars for a overly ambitious site when the average customer just wants to get on there for 2 minutes to see if there is a menu.
The irony is most unique and visually pleasing websites are done personal portfolio sites by graphic designers who have little to no coding skills. Sure their sites may not pass a W3C check or may not be viewable by the blind (as if they need to see a graphic design page) but at least you should give them points for creativity. What fun is a completely usable white site with boring gray boxes and scrolling RSS feeds if there is no soul to it. - inactive, on 03/08/2009, -11/+43That is the most ignorant thing i've ever heard. Yes, Of course you can write a sophisticated template using notepad. You can make it comply to XHTML 1.1 and you can make it work in all popular browsers. Seriously? I don't even know a person who doesn't make templates in a text editor. Dreamweaver is for 'professionals'.
- Karai, on 03/08/2009, -4/+35It's not about what you use, it's about what you make. Your average "web design kiddie" exports from photoshop into HORRIBLE mark up. Some of them make static pages by hand writing the mark up and style, and others design web applications using php or .NET or Ruby etc.
So yeah, he's right, the average web design kiddie isn't creating dynamically generated web applications, and if they were, there are better editors out there without the bloated crap that dreamweaver comes with. I personally use Notepad++ because it is extremely simple and has some nice plug-ins to make it even better. - linksus, on 03/08/2009, -1/+28Wtf?
Dreamweaver allows you to create dynamic webpages.
It has ASP, PHP etc support Database access and more.
If anything!!!! Dreamweaver is needed moreso. - kevincannon, on 03/08/2009, -0/+25The author of this article sounds like they don't actually understand the roles and jobs needed to be done in a web design company. Web 2.0 and elaborate CMSs still require a good HTML editor.
You can use Dreamweaver perfectly well to create dynamic web apps. I use Dreamweaver on every project because of it's great workflow tools. I code up the site in XHTML & CSS and edit PHP files while working with a developer who uses their own editor. Everyone's happy, and I have a really great workflow. - phenom2k7, on 03/08/2009, -1/+25I don't use Dreamweaver but god damn that article was ***** pathetic. He could of made it entirely different. Encouraged users to learn PHP and explore CMS'. People still need to write and alter templates, possibly write their own PHP code to add missing functionality or even write their own CMS, which is all possible through dreamweaver.
- TomFrost, on 03/08/2009, -3/+26Dude, it's no secret to many web developers that there are some kickass web development tools for mac. Personally, Coda is a bit too constraining for me -- but I couldn't live without TextMate and its built-in subversion engine, and CSSEdit in pure text mode is the best design experience I've ever had.
I'm not trying to say there aren't decent programs in Windows to speed up the development process, but calling someone out for mac propaganda just because they mention what program they prefer is a whole different kind of fanboyism all of its own. At the end of the day, it's just a tool. - buddyman, on 03/08/2009, -9/+30THIS ARTICLE IS COMPLETELY RETARDED. Why?
What do you think the CMS's code is written in. or the pre-made templates. or the plugins. or the template that don't yet exist. If you think that DW is some sort of static html only site buillder, you're a retard.
This post just don't make any sence and i hope for the best of web it gets pulled down before it gets anyone fooled. Digg frontpage, shows just how many idiots it already fooled.
If you are planning to write a comment to the huge pile of crap comments this post has already got, please oh please don't. Just write something like "WHAT A RETARDED POST". All caps.
btw:im not a native english speaker so if you're retarded enough to buy this post and want to diss me or something, please leave my english typing skills out of it. Thank you.
Daymn this pisses me off even more than people who think that macs have some sort of special superb "apple computer hardware" in them. - law1ess, on 03/08/2009, -15/+36You still need programs like Dreamweaver to build your templates/themes for the CMS' like Drupal, Joomla or even Wordoppress..
- Sansui, on 03/08/2009, -3/+22I agree with SquareEnix actually. I build websites on Drupal (an open source CMS for those not in the know) - sometimes they're heavily customized by one of our programmers, sometimes they use a lot of stock modules, and sometimes they're a mix. The one thing they have in common is that all of their themes start in Photoshop and Dreamweaver for me.
In this aspect, Dreamweaver is nothing more than an awesome text editor with graphical preview abilities, lots of organizational tools, syntax highlighting and completion. I get my themes done in half the time as the next guy using only a highlighted-syntax editor, and they look twice as good.
I think Dreamweaver will simply continue to evolve to meet needs of new platforms. - Sansui, on 03/08/2009, -6/+24Apparently you don't realize that Dreamweaver offers a "code" window, complete with everything you could want in a text based development environment.
Dreamweaver has MANY features, beyond just WYSIWYG and template tags.
Before you knock something, you'd better know what it is and what it does, because you've clearly never used Dreamweaver in your life. Buried for misinsformation and classic text editor elitism. - gfox, on 03/08/2009, -2/+19She's a babe!
Schwwwing!
Olalalalallaaie - Haphaz, on 03/08/2009, -0/+15Dreamweaver is a perfectly fine editor if you're looking to make a dynamic website.
Find a content management system that fits your needs (i.e. wordpress, drupal) and use Dreamweaver to edit it to look how you'd like.
This article is pretty worthless. I don't think the author has a full understanding of the software or even the development process. - inactive, on 03/08/2009, -1/+16Just load your page with DBZ gifs, embedded audio, flash, frames and have a red background with bright green text and then you'll be set.
- WhoDoneIt, on 03/08/2009, -1/+15@noalarms You do realize just because it's done with an "editor" doesn't mean you can't markup and style by hand.
You've also just blindly admitted that what you do takes you, in my opinion, twice as long to code by hand because there are a lot of neat tools "editors" have to help you code faster, one such example is completing your closing tags for you, - shwerm601, on 03/08/2009, -0/+13"Dreamweaver is dying. Long live Drupal." I was just about to question this? Glad someone else wondered wtf he/she was talking about
- Malovech, on 03/08/2009, -1/+13I don't get this. Why not just run WAMP or MAMP instead? They are utterly painless and simple to install, and you get a real server environment to code with.This live rendering thing just seems like more bloat for not good reason.
- silentsteps, on 03/08/2009, -0/+12Dreamweaver in CS4 live-renders PHP?? Well I'll be damned.
- snds, on 03/08/2009, -3/+15Clueless people can now put together ***** dynamic sites using ***** pre-built infrastructures. A ***** site is a ***** site no matter how you perceive it. Dreamweaver doesn't make ***** sites nor does it enable people to make ***** sites. It's the people who don't know squat about static and dynamic code structures that make ***** sites. If they knew anything about building sites correctly we wouldn't be having this conversation. DW is a tool, and a great tool in comparison to all the others out there. Just because you might code using a text editor and a browser window does not make DW a bad tool. If you don't use a tool well it can't be a good tool for you.
- sockpuppets, on 03/08/2009, -3/+14Dreamweaver is for people with flair, or for people that pirated master collection and had it install anyway.
- TomFrost, on 03/08/2009, -2/+13Is there any web development *professional* (I'm not talking to the hobbyists here) who are good at what they do, who use Dreamweaver in anything other than pure text mode? Because I'm apt to think that's one big oxymoron.
No professional I know would put up with a program that writes code for them, let alone bad, bloated, often outdated code at that. If I'm writing something in PHP, I want it optimized, I want to tell it exactly how to work, and I'm probably tying it into a framework of some sort. With how many pages of mine were destroyed because someone opened a .php file and resaved it in Dreamweaver, it's hard to understand why anyone other than the web design kiddies touch it. - Natnie, on 03/08/2009, -0/+11At least go with Notepad++. Notepad itself is pretty crap.
- calebrown, on 03/07/2009, -2/+13I switched from dreamweaver to Coda recently. However, I would like to try out the CS4 PHP rendering stuff.
- inactive, on 03/08/2009, -7/+17Notepad++ > any alternative.
Although, have yet to try coda on my Mac, shall have a go. - mattearle, on 03/08/2009, -6/+16Yea, I totally do not understand this article. You need a code editor to edit CSS, PHP and HTML all of which are the building blocks of a dynamic site. The only thing limiting Dreamweaver's future is how ***** the built in FTP works. Save To Remote Server.... Wait 2 minutes... Saved.
- 1uk34dd0, on 03/08/2009, -1/+11Dreamweaver is an amazing app - although a little pricey. Still the best thing out there on Windows (not sure about Mac) for deisgn. And not just for the WYSIWYG.
I'm guess the people slating Dreamweaver haven't used it for a while.
Long live Dreamwqeaver! - hydrodev, on 03/08/2009, -1/+11now there is a trend that died. Flash, in my opinion should be used sparingly, for PARTS of sites, not the site themselves. With a few exceptions.
- stueynet, on 03/08/2009, -1/+11I fail to see how the emergence of dynamic websites is bad for Dreamweaver. Yes the program allows you to build static pages but it also have all the ability to allow you to code dynamic websites as well.
Moreover Joomla or Drupal don't replace dreamweaver in the slightest. How will you design the templates that go into Drupal? DW has built in css support not to mention all the ajax, and dynamic data features.
Sorry but comparing DW to Drupal is like comparing Photoshop to Iphoto. Just doesn't make sense. DW ain't going nowhere IMHO. - xdoomx, on 03/08/2009, -0/+10Dreamweaver, or any other feature-packed text editor for that matter, as part of a web professional's workflow isn't even close to dying. Someone has to develop that CMS like Drupal at some point.
- Flynnz, on 03/08/2009, -2/+11heh love when these self proclaimed "professionals" say they use things like notepad. You do know that Dreamweaver comes with one of the best text editors out there right? Of course you dont...you are too busy trying to act like you know what you are talking about. Not to mention professionals do in fact use the built in dynamic tools in DW all the time. Most of the time not for production, but to build bridge applications that can save a company thousands of dollars.
If I were only a hand coder, I would be more afraid of RAD applications like DW, AIR, and Visual Studio making you obsolete in the near future. At the very least you should get familiar with the applications you are so quick to judge.
So yeah DW isnt going anywhere, and if anything I predict it will be even more relevant in the near future.
On the flip side...I really wish people would stop putting that they know HTML CSS JS ASP PHP on their resume when they in fact no nothing, and have applications like DW write it for them. If you are professional you should should actually know how to write these things....at least for now :( - Filter, on 03/08/2009, -0/+9Maybe I'm missing something but doesn't Dreamweaver allow you to make dynamic content? I know you have to code it by hand but what good web designer doesn't do at least a little coding? If I had to rely solely on WYSIWYG I think I'd shoot myself.
- Warom, on 03/08/2009, -0/+9Erm, the "mess" will be your fault. It doesn't change your code in anyway, it merely provides options to code for you which you do not have to use and is primarily there for people to create static sites with ease. I find that Dreamweaver has one of the most natural interfaces and like the way that the window isn't too distracting.
- inactive, on 03/08/2009, -0/+9vi bitches.
- dansai, on 03/08/2009, -0/+9I use Dreamweaver, but the only features I use are Source Code View & the Site Manager.
Makes life a lot easier - Kyan, on 03/08/2009, -0/+9I use a pen and paper to write my websites. First I write, and then I scan the paper and run it through my handwriting recognition software to turn it into plain text. Then I change the extension from .txt. to .html and open it in Netscape.
This is a good workflow, because when I hit a mental block, I can doodle in the margins (I trim this after scanning and before handwriting-to-text). - hydrodev, on 03/08/2009, -0/+8No, dreamweaver is perfectly suited for you. you can start using more advanced languages sch as PHP,ASP, and Javascript within dream weaver. You can still accomplish everything that you see on killer sites with dreamweaver. this guy makes it sound impossible, bt its far from it. He sounds like he has no clue how to write from scratch, and is recommending cms because the work is already done for you.
I have so far created TOTALLY in DW:
A full shopping cart, simple dynamic cms, a turn based game, and a plethora of other small apps completely with DW.
In short its not DW that is the barrier between a noobish static site and a sweet dynamic web app, its your ability to use things like AJAX, PHP and CSS. All of witch are very easy to implement using DW. -
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