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- Denodster, on 01/02/2009, -8/+240I think at this point all technical users have dumped IE, its the ignorant remainder who have not yet switched. I am thinking of my mother who does not understand the difference between a browser and text document.
- lynchjos, on 01/03/2009, -20/+143Microsoft is becoming the software equivalent of the BIG 3 auto companies.
They perpetually take for granted their customer base, produce "lemon after lemon", bully their "dealerships" into carrying their sub-par software, and instead of innovating and responding they slap on a new "nameplate" and throw the same ***** on the showroom floor.
Improve your ***** products before you become the next American dinosaur - costumemaker, on 01/03/2009, -8/+85Now come on, denodster.. thats not true. I keep IE around so I can view web pages that people have written that are completely hacked together and only compatible with IE because they didnt know what they were doing when they built them.
- simpleboy, on 01/03/2009, -12/+89Go Firefox go! I want to see IE only in history books.
- Herolint, on 01/03/2009, -7/+74As a web designer/developer, I absolutely hate dealing with IE hacks. IE is the bane of my professional existence.
- PeterNorton, on 01/02/2009, -6/+66:-0 This is one fascinating story. I remember how everyone was pumped up when FF launched, but there is no one I know who would have thought it could pose a threat for IE. This is truly impressive.
- fjsferreira, on 01/03/2009, -10/+60IE faster than opera and firefox?
All I can say is:
LOOOOOOOOOOL - Spanq, on 01/03/2009, -9/+56I don't get it. Microsoft has been developing software for 30 years and they still can't make a half-decent browser.
- inc595, on 01/03/2009, -8/+49Sounds like propaganda to me. IE sucks, if you designed a few webpages then you know how bad it breaks standards compliant code. viva la Firefox
- Herolint, on 01/03/2009, -1/+40IE 7 is a lot better than IE 6 was, but it is still the inbred hillbilly of internet browsers.
- jaygeeze, on 01/02/2009, -23/+6169... indicative of how IE users are being screwed.
- JigoroKano, on 01/03/2009, -3/+40Whaaaaaat? You don't want frequent security updates?
Is this sarcasm? - ElectricKetchup, on 01/03/2009, -15/+52Some of us don't need Microsoft to hold our hands when we're surfing the internet.
- AgmLauncher, on 01/03/2009, -9/+44LOL if only MS knew what the words "standards compatibility" were, they wouldn't be losing market share.
It's a REALLY simple formula:
1. Web designers hate dealing with IE7's quirks and issues
2. Web designers then put things on their site that encourage users to upgrade to Firefox, Opera, and Safari
They simply wouldn't do that if Microsoft didn't piss them off.
The people who make websites have the power, not Microsoft. The sooner they figure that out, the better off they'll be.
Whoever is in charge of IE's development is asleep at the wheel and probably doesn't use the internet. - Desmothenes, on 01/03/2009, -19/+52Anyone else getting tired of seeing daily market share updates making the front page? Ok... we get it... FF is on the rise and IE is falling. Next week we're going to see an article about how IE is below 68% and FF is up to 22%.
Give it a rest. - Claverhouse, on 01/03/2009, -0/+32Rather difficult since tons of businesses --- the bulk of the grisly old IE6 hold-outs --- run Windows 2000, which can't even use IE7.
- inactive, on 01/03/2009, -27/+58What's up with all the IE hatred lately?
"It's just the internet" - Kevin Rose - hostpure, on 01/03/2009, -5/+35Yes Firefox does freak out in some places but the reason it does is actually down to Internet Explorer. The earlier versions of IE were non standards compliant and with it's monopoly at the time, developers had to write browser specific hacks to make their web applications work. Unfortunately, many of these browser specific sites are still around. I haven't come across many (if any?) sites that are standards compliant and cause Firefox to freak yet.
- inactive, on 01/03/2009, -6/+34Sounds like someone from my corporate IT department.
- inactive, on 01/03/2009, -11/+35I'll be happy once they stop shoving it down your throat with Windows. Long live browser competition!
- SitPoMk, on 01/03/2009, -5/+29I'm not sure what's with the whole microsoft-hating fashion. It almost seems to me that people post comments hating on Microsoft just to seem cool and follow the trend. As a developer I am very satisfied with Microsoft. They treat us well. As a gamer, XBOX is awesome. The Zune is very good and should have more attention however the fact is that the Apple marketing guys embarrassed Microsofts's to the point of rapification. I'm sure I don't even need to get started on Office, and the list goes on.
I'm not looking to start a flame war. I'm not even implying that MS is better than other companies(read Apple). I'm just saying Microsoft aren't the greedy, idiotic ***** that they are portrayed to be in every comment thread. I am a FF user and as most, I can't stand to use IE but the MS hating is just a little over board. - Herolint, on 01/03/2009, -4/+27Not sure why hostpure is being burried, he is 100% correct. Piss poor HTML output from programs like Front Page, coupled with the hacks necessary to get CSS to work properly in IE 6 (7 is better, but still not perfect), topped with a dash of ActiveX crap, and you have a site that's bound not to work anywhere but IE.
- inactive, on 01/03/2009, -5/+28I WANT EVERY PERCENTAGE LOSS OF IE TO BE DOCUMENTED SO I CAN WATCH IT DIE SLOWLY.
- inactive, on 01/03/2009, -7/+29Its about damn time IE's market share started to plummet a bit more. Arr. Arr.
- ieee, on 01/03/2009, -4/+25@jaygeeze;
"69" actually refers to fellatio, not intercourse ( "being screwed") - MarkusX, on 01/02/2009, -7/+28At least a potentially buggy update of FF doesn't screw up your operating system at the same time as it does with IE.
And by the way, usually those updates are working pretty flawless - keeping all your settings and so on. I don't mind it that much.
Firefox is simply better than anything I know. But just for the reason, that it is not tied to the OS, I prefer any browser different fom IE - and prefer FF the most. - karlyguy, on 01/03/2009, -1/+21what frequent updates ??? how many add-on or toolbars do you have cluttering your firefox ???
my firefox updates approx once a month. version 3.0.5 = means there have been 5 updates since version 3 released. - inc595, on 01/03/2009, -3/+23Pathouston22, then you should give care about browsers agreeing on how to read html. Next time you open a page in IE and it looks jacked up, open it in Firefox, Chrome, Safari, Opera, Epiphany or Konqueror. If it looks the way it should the that site's designer may have stopped wasting time having to hack in CSS fixes for IE.
Dechah, if you believe the illusion that any system connected to the internet is secure you've already been compromised. - basex, on 01/03/2009, -0/+20then it would be a bit difficult to download a different browser...
- Rocketman574, on 01/03/2009, -3/+23Once FF breaks 50%, I'm switching to the next "Indy" browser :)
- ScottishMcDuff, on 01/03/2009, -2/+20As a web designer, I have spent HUNDREDS of hours altering my 100% standards-compliant coding (that works with every other note-worthy browser) to work for IE6.
When the W3C was formed, and the standards were agreed upon, the point of it all was to create guidelines that would help the internet grow and enable developers and designers to have a basis for stability that would help usher in a new era of compatibility and innovation.
Microsoft, possessing almost all of the internet browser marketshare, could have ushered in this new era, but instead they...well...let me just explain it to you in a short illustration:
If the W3C had devised standards about how a toaster should cook toast, Microsoft would have said, "***** that! We're going to make it so that when you put the bread in, the toaster won't recognize what it is, so naturally it will then convert the bread into horse-***** and spew it out all over your ***** kitchen and force you to clean up all the horrible mess for hours. THEN, when you're finally done cleaning up the *****, you'll have stopped caring about making toast because cleaning up the ***** has made you so seething mad that it's just not worth trying again as it is highly probable that the toaster will just spew out more ***** leaving you to play janitor once more."
Microsoft had a chance to clean up their reputation by releasing a standards-compliant browser with IE7. Instead, what do they do? They basically take IE6 and slap a bunch of the most popular browser hacks into the software itself...THEY BASICALLY DUCK TAPED ***** ONTO *****. But hey, at least it works better than IE6 right?
Oh, and IE8 is going to fix everything...right? Because IE8 is already scoring higher or at least equally as well on the ACID 2 and 3 tests as the other current browsers that are out right now...oh wait...it's scoring worse than the current alternative browsers? How is that possible? Do you want me to tell you why?
BECAUSE MICROSOFT DOESN'T GIVE A FLYING ***** ABOUT STANDARDS COMPLIANCE! They don't care if they waste hundreds or thousands of man-hours or cripple user experiences. As long as they are the top browser marketshare-wise, they will coast on their user base until innovation and cooperation with the web development world is essential to their product's survival...and trust me...when that time comes, I and my fellow designers/developers won't be standing there waiting with open arms. We're going to kick them off the ***** cliff and watch them slowly fall to their overdue and well-deserved demise.
/rant - vitriolage, on 01/03/2009, -1/+19I'll bite...
http://search.live.com/results.aspx?q=internet+exp ...
Where did you see that little fact of yours? - fjsferreira, on 01/03/2009, -0/+17Ah, I can get tons of porn stuff in my pc with ie, in just a couple of seconds... Getting rid of them is the hard part
- roxgod666, on 01/03/2009, -10/+26Dude even the beta of that sucks. Firefox, Opera, and Chrome are all faster
- inactive, on 01/03/2009, -1/+171. Design a web site
2. Make the site compatible across all browsers
3. ???
4. Hate IE - sprotacular, on 01/03/2009, -5/+20Breaking news 2 weeks from now: IE falls below 68% market share, Firefox climbs above 22%
- NWScreative, on 01/03/2009, -1/+16try IE tab- you can view tabs in firefox rendered by internet explorer if you're having incompatibility issues
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/141 ... - srodolff, on 01/03/2009, -7/+22Market share is meanless because most people have more than browser on their computer.
- blakelylaw580, on 01/03/2009, -2/+16What a wit!
- inactive, on 01/03/2009, -5/+19Market share? Share of what ? Both cost nothing in practical terms, and literally for many evil people.
Cant for the life of me grasp why all this is so exciting anyway.
I speak as a well adjusted and quietly satisfied opera user - I just dont know or care how many other people share my choice of browser. - RSAgent007, on 01/03/2009, -21/+34"lemon after lemon".
Like Xbox? Office 2007? Sharepoint? Zune (#2 marketshare)? Silverlight?
I'll take Windows Live Messenger any day over AIM. - inactive, on 01/03/2009, -1/+14Nah, corporate IT managers would not have it. The last thing they want is to interact with users.
- vitriolage, on 01/03/2009, -2/+15pathouston22:
You have a point you will most likely not find a page that looks like crap in IE, but thats because the designer spent 90% of his time trying to get the thing to look right in IE. It's just a waste of time that doesn't need to be there. - Giga, on 01/03/2009, -5/+18"For those who say that IE8b2 is less secure, slower, harder to develop for, or is for simpletons why dont you show some facts instead of just bashing IE."
Slower (after a very brief Google search, digg has had many articles on this subject):
http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=2463
http://www.linuxhaxor.net/2008/12/08/browser-speed ...
There are much better articles out there if you want to search for some more yourself.
Harder to develop for:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Explorer_8#V ...
Just look at the source to any website and you will see IE hacks all over the place (with different hacks for different versions) since IE has poor standards compliance. Just search for the acid 3 test results and any howto article on getting into web development. - scy1192, on 01/03/2009, -3/+16meh, wake me when Firefox is at 23% and IE is at 67%. THEN, it'll be worth posting.
- inactive, on 01/03/2009, -1/+14The day IE 6 no longer registers on the internet then I can breath easier and develope websites with smaller code base, more "bling" and less bandwidth. Having to script for IE 6, IE 7 and everyone else does your head in.
- neumulct, on 01/03/2009, -18/+30You obviously do not have any favorite Firefox-only plugins and have no appreciation of open source. Instead, you'd rather use a beta product from Microsoft.
You are right about technical users, however. Denodster forgot about idiot Microsoft loyalists and xenophobia and familiarity and other reasons users keep smoking IE, it's not just the ignorant. I haven't tried IE8beta, so I'm not saying anything about you./ - inactive, on 01/03/2009, -3/+15I hate IE, I hate the people who coded IE, and I hate their families. You love IE because you're an idiot who doesn't know any better.
This isn't a fanboy issue, I've wasted hours upon hours of my professional life "hacking" my code to work in IE - while every other browser for the past 5 years is standards compliant. My employer has paid me money to do this. It's a ***** waste of time and resources on all counts, just because some douchebags at MS decided to be douchebags.
Since IE is automatically used by every Luddite in the world who buys a Windows PC, I can't even choose to not code for it because I'd be failing to appropriately do my job - which is to create content everyone on the internet can access. It's easier to make code appropriate for screen readers for ***** blind people than it is to code a proper looking website in IE. Did you read that? IT'S EASIER TO CODE A WEBSITE FUNCTIONAL FOR BLIND PEOPLE THAN IT IS TO CODE A SITE FOR IE. - Zap2, on 01/03/2009, -3/+14Yes its only Apple users who think that....because the total 11% of the market that doesn't use Windows, is using that 21% that is FireFox
- darkNiGHTS, on 01/03/2009, -2/+13It's not just the Internet, it's people's jobs that are made harder by it.
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