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- jrbrewin, on 10/12/2007, -2/+63well, this article is absolute cod *****.
#1 - "defaults were often set to "High Performance." Even when they weren't, consumers generally chose the setting themselves"
defaults are defaults, or they're not. Make your mind up. Then to go on and actually blame the consumers sullies the whole article and FUD over-drive machine of the article and therefore this digg. Secondly, the performance increases they set by default in windows xp make very little difference to the power consumption of a modern pc. I shall assume that you've actually done some power consumption tests if you're making this claim - to not would be very poor journalism. Thirdly, if you're going to tar one manufacturer with the 'killing the earth' brush, then do it to all. e.g. apple, who's operating systems behave in a similar method by default.
#2 - allowing programs to disable / control power saving features is not a flaw, it's what we call common sense design. Would you want your pc to go in to power saving when you're watching a movie? i doubt it. Flip that argument on it's head. Would i want a bit of software to control hardware to SAVE power, yes.. and windows xp allows software to do that. e.g. speedfan. Again, look at what apple do compared to microsoft. Microsoft has a hibernate mode built in to the user interface, allowing practically all power to pc to be turned off. mac os does not - at least not until your laptop runs out of power in the first place.
#3 - Not putting group policy objects and administrative templates right in to windows 2000, let alone windows XP was a mistake. But, any administrator that deals with, and understands group policies will realise that it's easy to build an admin template, or even download one that does this for you. for those that don't know how to use google - http://www.terranovum.com/projects/energystar/ez_gpo.html - malkir, on 10/12/2007, -1/+58How automobiles wasted $25 Billion * Infinity of Energy.
- gizmo490, on 10/12/2007, -0/+31Seems to me that even most of the anti-Microsoft zealots realize that this article is BS judging by the relatively few MS bashing posts so far.
(I didnt mean for this to be a reply to malkir sorry for it being not related to his post) - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -9/+36Yeah, lets not forget that it's Microsoft's fault that people can't turn off their fooking computers when they're done using them. Wow, this article really preaches to the Digg chior.
Even though M$ doesn't have the best business practices, garbage editorials like this one shouldn't get dug. - marix, on 10/12/2007, -10/+32Im gonna mark this inaccurate because its obviously not correct.
Please help me get this junk ***** off the front page. - JeffH, on 10/12/2007, -4/+25This article is *****.
Number 1 pretty much says that because Microsoft lets users choose what power mode they want to be in, they're costing the world money. That's not Microsoft fault, it's the peoples fault. Microsoft gives them the choice of what power mode they want for a reason.
Number 2 says that sleep mode, while a brilliant innovation by Microsoft to save energy, is the devil because of things third party programs do to it. I'm sorry...how is this Microsoft's fault again? My computer doesn't go to sleep when my Anti-Virus is doing a system scan, or when uTorrent is running, and that's how I want it. This article says that's a bad thing.
And the third says that system admins are too lazy to configure the power saving options, and instead leave it up to the users. The users who actually use the machines and probably know what's better for them. Again, this is not Microsoft's fault in the slightest. Microsoft gave the admins the tools, them not using those tools =/= Microsoft's fault.
The article should read: "How developers and every day people using Windows wasted $26 Billion of Energy"; because none of these "flaws" are Microsoft's fault. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+25fkr2, 23r17i05o42n is an idiot and a troll. Don't lose your precious time with this jerk.
- tony134340, on 10/12/2007, -3/+22I hate to side with the devil on this one but that's like saying a car manufacturer wastes gas if the driver leaves it running needlessly.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -17/+33@23r17i05o42n
Can I interest you in some bird flu or aids? You seem to be confused about what a virus really is. Then we can pop over to Europe and check out some museums about real scourges on the world.
MS is a company. Buy their stuff or don't, nobody's forcing you to. See how that's different from dying or being hacked to bits by Mongolians / slow baked by Nazis / raped and slaughtered by Christians? - GeneralFailure0, on 10/12/2007, -10/+25This is just hating on Microsoft. It's not their responsibility to make Windows as energy-efficient as possible or to save the environment. That's a small fraction of the CO2 we release into the atmosphere every year.
- SEMW, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16>Vista's power save functions could easily save the world $5 billion yearly
>and prevent the release of over 45 million tons of CO2
So by this story's logic, the manufacturers of energy efficient light bulbs are responsible for all the energy wasted with normal light bulbs, because they didn't make energy efficient ones earlier? WTF? Buried. - jrbrewin, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15probably due in some part because all the 12 year olds spell Microsoft as MICRO$OSFT, as if the dollar makes it funny all of a sudden. It lost its humour factor sometime in early 1992.
- Domestiques, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13xp is responsible for cancer, aids, unemployment, third world debt and bono. Bill Gates is pure evil, with a tangy after taste. What the ***** is this *****. Bury it.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -8/+19Man... these anti-MS whores are getting crazier day after day. Buried.
- ShawnC, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13I think the title should be "How humans didn't set their power savings correctly wasted $25 Billion". OR, "How Windows 3.1 to Windows 2000 wasted a gabizillion dollars". Really just get over your OS hatred. "Can't we all just get along?"
- JorgeGT, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11"OK, this is Lame" ;-)
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+14Don't be ridiculous. It's MS hatred to it's best.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+14Marked as inaccurate.
Microsoft has not made any "silly Mistakes" here. If you think about it, MS is not responsible for this. - marix, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10are you serious?
Digg is all about loving the mac and linux, they even have topics for both of them! - JeffH, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11Indeed. But I do have to say Linux is the big power eater. I once installed it on a laptop only to find that 2 hours mysteriously dissapeared from my laptop's batery life, that came back when Windows was reinstalled.
- mitrovarr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Your one anecdotal report proves nothing. Oh, no, Windows XP doesn't power save properly on a Mac laptop!!! Did you ever consider it was misconfigured? If you manually install Windows XP (which you had to have done, to get it on a Mac) the power saving settings are up to you to set. Things like speedstep and such could easily have been turned off (or simply incompatible; Windows XP isn't designed for macs, after all.) Certainly, I know a two hour battery life for a Windows laptop is considered significantly subpar. Perhaps it just wasn't working right.
- dopesick, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7That article is yet the lamest thing I have read about MS in a while.
I gotta agree with rustynail288 and others thinking the same way.
#1 - Power saving isn't high on list of priorities - Last I checked WORK was in a corporate environment.
#2 - Sleep mode. Uhh turn the damn PC off?
#3 - Since when is it a network adminstrators job to remotely control power usage of units. THAT is definatly a low priority. Anyone working in a high demand network structure knows well enough that keeping the damn thing running smoothly and dealing with users is hard enough alone, little to add the power aspect to the list... Good lord, can you say 24/7 inhouse IT staff? BAH!!!! - jrbrewin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8would've got a digg if it were for the $ in MS
- pauly1980, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10so stupid.... the problem is your fatasses in your humv's eating factory made ho-hos
walk already - ctnp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7While we're at it, let's blame MS for world hunger, too. Surely with all those smart people, they could have figured out a worldwide food redistribution plan that suited *everyone's* needs.
- lemz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7I love pure conjecture of this numbers. It's like saying that movie industry lost $6b in sales because people bought $3 pirated dvds in china town.
- Rustynail288, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7u cant blame microsoft for wasting energy, they didnt setup the millions of computers and leave them on 24 hours a day, the people using them did
- blankman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Microsoft didn't waste the energy, people who leave their computers on 24/7 do.
- drFUNK, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7I have OS X, Ubuntu Linux, and Windows XP installed on my Dell laptop - they all get about 4 hours battery life with the Wi-Fi off. I'm not a Microsoft fan boy, but how is it their fault that a few customers are dumb?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6OMG their entropy is driving us towards the heat death of the universe!
EVERYBODY PANIC! - dagonweb, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8That kind of attitude annoys me. Buried.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10Um,,, since I cannot get any Linux distro to properly utilize power saving on my home computer, what does that say about those distros.. Oops nobody uses them so they waste no power :)
Sorry, I had to say it..... digg me down if you must. - t1t0, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6During cold season, if you're heating, I don't think it matters. Like you say, 500 watts of computer gives off heat like the 500 watts a heater would. However, during summer, I always find it ridiculous to see people leaving their computer on for nothing while running the AC on full. But this is the user's fault, NOT Microsoft. Third time I've seen this article, still as inaccurate.
- cazabam, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7This would be good if there were cost calculations for other things to make comparison with. For instance, OS X has very good sleep support, but how much energy are we wasting by leaving them in sleep mode instead of powering down? Linux distros have come a long way, but hibernate doesn't always work. How much does that cost?
Of course, there are no hard facts to be had about any of these things; they're just part of the 89% of statistics that are made up on the spot to suit a particular agenda. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Another sensationalist Digg topic. There are far more wasteful sources of energy in the world than Window XP. I'm sick of people pushing inaccurate topics to the front page. This place is turning into a tabloid. But I guess the founder doesn't care as long as traffic goes up. It's all about traffic, not content.
Instead of blaming MS and an operating system, turn of your ***** PC and stop blaming things that aren't the cause of you PC sitting idle for days on end. Better yet, turn off all the light switches in your house/apartment that aren't immediate sources of light. - Nougat, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Problem I found with some Dell laptops with not being able to come out of sleep mode was an incompatible video driver. You actually had to go to Intel and get an earlier version driver for the video adapter for sleep mode to work properly. Not MS' fault; bad driver.
- jrbrewin, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9no, but every little helps.
it's right for everyone to try and save as much energy as possible. it helps your wallet, it helps the economy, and it helps the planet. Yes, use power saving options in your OS, but don't blame the ills of the world on on manufacturer of one product. - imhigh, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Yet another useless anti-microsoft post, I should create a story about how much money Apple costs the world because of the kind of plastic they use to make ipods.....
- mipadi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4This IS a problem, but I don't know if I'd blame Microsoft for this problem. I'd blame the user who leaves his computer on all the time, instead of putting it to sleep (at least at night).
I think this problem is increasingly prevalent among families with kids. Kids like to stay connected to AIM ALL THE TIME and often don't worry about leaving the computer on all the time.
Still, Windows could be better about actually going to sleep automatically. On my PCs, the automatic sleep function almost never works. The monitor goes off, but the computer stays on at full power. Hate to prop up Apple at the expense of Microsoft, but I can say that I've never had a problem with the automatic sleep functionality on my Macs. - Jugalator, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Heh, wasn't this story first released on Digg and other news sites as "How Microsoft can easily save billions in energy"? Interesting to see how it's re-spun and reposted over time. Now it has turned to "wasted". I guess hindsight is always 20/20, or did I just miss the blame when Windows XP was released? What will come next -- "How Microsoft tried to ruin the environment with Windows XP"?
I personally didn't like the news from the start, as it's based so much on guesstimates. - tablelegs, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7@omghi2u2
Cite your source, please. - dhughes, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5 This has to be the one of most idiotic stories I've ever seen on digg, it's your damn computer fix it yourself, it's only a power option. If you're so concerned about power leave the computer off.
This is like blaming McDonald's for global warming because you fart too much after eating there. - jrbrewin, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6nofxjunkee - "fkr2: you make it sound like you can walk into any computer shop and buy a computer running the OS of your choice, or even with no OS at all. unfortunately we all know that's not true at all"
i don't know where you shop for computers, but i could list plenty of computer vendors round here that would let you do just that, if you so wanted. - chunkylimey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Just when you thought the evil corporations were the enemy you see that the most insidious threat to human existence is whiny losers who suck the intelligence out of human debate.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+10Count me in!
- ahhell, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8Nice negative spin on an already reported story.
Stupid ***** MS hater. - shawnz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3this is stolen from a previous digg article and turned upside down. the original article was about vista changes can save $25 billion dollars. this article is taking the "a penny saved is a penny earned" philosophy just to be able to hate on Microsoft. *sigh*
- CheapDigWannbe, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4So Lame and Innacurate.
First of all, not saving does not equal wasting. By the logics of this article humans waste billions of dollars where they could save them. And the point is?! Well there is none. They're just saying that WIndows XP could have been more efficient. - GoldenGopher1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I think it's funny that they blame MS/XP for this problem because MS didn't make it easier for the power options to be modified. Then the article points out this problem and fails to link to, or describe, the appropriate steps and actions for users to modify their power settings or conserve energy while computing.
I sincerely hope I'm not the only one to see the irony in that. And yes, I realize I am now guilty of the same thing. :) -
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