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- itsmrdumass, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10The same way "Netscape" did. Netscape had an overwhelming lead in the browser war before Microsoft integrated IE into Windows.
- saska, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9When will people understand the difference between being competitive and being anti-competitive?
Competitive: Your customers want something, you don't provide it, they get it from someone else. You develop a way to do it. Your customers come back to you to get it if you do it better than what they are already using.
Anti-competitive: You prevent your competitors from getting their product out there.
Please. Somebody explain to me how google is going to un-become a household word because of built-in search in Vista. - Mejogid, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7It didn't - google recognised you were using IE7 and added a little box in the top left that fooled you into thinkin IE7 was asking. Look at the source code. Clever, huh?
- Hender, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Well, one thing is that Microsoft can, through unfair business practices, use its monopoly power in the desktop market to reduce people's need for Google's software, not because they offer a better product, but because they offer a ubiquitous product without any extra distributing costs for doing so.
More importantly, they are, throught this monopolistic practice, locking other small vendors out of the market, like A9, ask.com, Yahoo, etc. who will be seriously threatened by this giant reducing the need for independently available search engines.
A bundled search engine produces a substitute without needing to compete. - jasqwerty, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6This is why Microsoft can never do anything you people complain they should. If MS bundled even half of what Apple does, or heave forbid throw in Office by default, like Linux distros do with OpenOffice, they would literally be screwed. ಠ_ಠ
- saska, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5"Well, one thing is that Microsoft can, through unfair business practices, use its monopoly power in the desktop market to reduce people's need for Google's software"
This is where we're talking apples and oranges. In the days of Netscape, which I remember - I was running an ISP at the time - you had to have a browser to get a browser, or you had to know how to use FTP, or you had to get your browser from a disk your ISP gave you.
Today, there's www.google.com. Millions of people type it in every day. Those people are often maligned as being incapable of downloading a different browser, or installing a toolbar to give them google in their browser interface. They aren't going to forget how to type that URL; they're conditioned to do it. If Live does not give them the search results they need, they will continue to do what they have been doing up until now. - deadbaby, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Simply being convicted of being a monopoly (as Microsoft has) totally changes everything. Behavior that used to be good clean competitive tactics is instantly considered anti-competitive. Microsoft got themselves into this situation with their tactics in the 90's, now they gotta pay the price.
- wistar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Netscape helped Microsoft's IE dominance along considerably by doing something really, really stupid: not releasing anything new for almost THREE years after version 4. During this time, while Netscape was re-writing their browser from scratch, Microsoft rose to dominance and, it's my opinion that, they did so *accidentally* rather than maliciously. Netscape was very much in the public eye and Internet Explorer was an also-ran that no-one much cared about until it became obvious that nothing new was seemingly ever going to spurt forth from the Netscape folk.
There are some interesting articles written about this colossal mis-step and my favorite is penned by Joel Spolsky in his now classic article "Things You Should Never Do, Part I."
http://joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000069.html - sudonim, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The thing that is weird about this is that in IE 7 beta the first time I browsed to google it asked me if I wanted to make google my default search. So why would microsoft make it so easy in IE7 for google to be integrated but now want to shut them out of vista.
- lane.montgomery, on 10/12/2007, -11/+14Does anyone else smell another anti-trust lawsuit brewing?
This sounds just like Netscape to me. A rival is offering a product, so they develop something very similar to it and bundle it with the OS. Not be too political, but if this goes to court I hope we get a president next election that won't just settle out of court with MS like Bush did right after he took office. - shmatt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3dud, will you please STOP that *****?
- sbaden, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Is anyone that worried really about Microsoft creating something that will actually work let alone work well?
- scbysnx, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6once again apple pioneered this.. ofcourse nobody got mad at them for building their own web browser and search software.. funny
- OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2[quote]once again apple pioneered this.. ofcourse nobody got mad at them for building their own web browser and search software.. funny[/quote]
Apple pioneered what?
No one gets mad at them because they're not a gigantic predatorial monopoly that's been repeatedly convicted in court of illegal activity. It is the same reason why so few people complain about Google, even though Google has become massive. Google doesn't abuse their power (so far). - Kamino, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3lol. This is one of the dumbest comments Google ever made. They can scan out the user agent with their webserver, it is so incredibly easy to add a "Make Google your default Internet Explorer search engine".
Really, what kind of mickey mouse nonsense is this. They are Google, even if they'd start charging monthly fees they could get away with it. - Caulfield, on 10/12/2007, -8/+9Easy there, Vista has to get released first. What chance does that have of happening?
- ChiKoo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2The last time I checked, google was used far more than any Microsoft search engine out there. Why are they even competing when google already tes the search scene? It just baffles me to think that the giant Microsoft could even be an equal to Google.
- saska, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3"being convicted of being a monopoly (as Microsoft has)"
Factually incorrect. Microsoft was convicted of participating in antitrust activities. They were not "convicted" of being a monopoly. If they had been, they'd have been forcibly disbanded, as was requested in the original filing. - sudonim, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Color me suprised, those googlians are cheeky sobs. Also I have to say the UI for IE 7 after about 5 minutes use is appaling. I'm sorry but where the hell is my menu bar. The whole browser feels very naked. I see what Microsoft is trying to do with it though, make surfing more straight forward for the masses. I think I'll just stick to Opera 9.
- TKDWILSON, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Metors are about to hit the earth. Somehow it is Bush's fault though.
Eric Wilson - macewan, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3agreed, I've yet to see anything remotely innovative about the next version of windows
- kurth, on 10/12/2007, -9/+9After reading about vista, using vista, and attempting to MS licensing under my belt, I think that the end is within my lifetime for Microsoft.
Time and time again they fail to innovate, they fail to provide a decent product.
Personally, I am using Unbuntu on most of my systems, or I will be very soon. With wine's support for various programs getting better and better, there will soon be little reason to spend the cash on vista.
Plus, XGL, if anyone has checked it out, will soon blow Vista's "Glass" out of the water. - drewhamlin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I feel like the title of this article is misleading - though this is the fault of ZDNet, as it's the original title. I hate shock headlines. The content is great, though.
For heaven sakes though... how does "We try not to focus on what they (Microsoft) are doing" = "Eye on Vista Search". Ugh. - macewan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1without actually going out to find the answer...
who knows the name of microsoft's search page? - Branden, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Maybe twelve years ago. You know GeoCities has been around since 1994, right?
- toppgun, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2i use google b/c they dont give my info to the government, the moment msn does that, i will consider switching...... wait, i have google personal page! another inovative feature by google. i respect microsoft but i think google will always be the top dog in the search engine game.
- derosion, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1I don't get your post; on the contrary, they sounded far too worried...
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2Totally.
- 7of7, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Doesn't sound like the Google executives are all that worried. I'm sure if Microsoft starts to win the search game, Google will play the anti-trust card, but all in all it seems that the guys at Google are doing what they do best, implementing new products.
- shmatt, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1I agree with saska, what ms did with browsers was total antitrust and sleazy as hell, but they should be able to include MSNsearch (even if it sucks) on their own OS. If (when?) Google came out with a browser or an OS they certainly aren't going to put MSN on there.
- shmatt, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2scbysnx
get a clue. are you referring to Spotlight? It's not web search.
The antitrust days were waaaay before Apple ever came out with a browser... and they INCLUDED IE for Mac until MS stopped supporting it.
you have no idea what you're talking about...
by the way your score should 2 lower, I hit the wrong button (as usual) - acurism, on 10/12/2007, -8/+2You gotta realize that MS will do anything in their power to stop Google and I am sure that is what their motive is.
They would rather pay millions or even billions of dollars in anti trust lawsuits then Google winning the advertising battle.
MS and Google are both household names but if MS tries to shut them out of their browser by default, then look at how many customers MS is getting back...
How many computer illiterate people(even in today's times) are out there. At least several million, well that is already millions of dollars away from Google and back in MS pocket which is a win-win for MS.
These people are not gonna change anything about their computer, everything will be default which of course will default to MS everything.
Not to mention, if Google doesn't b*&#@ now, it might be too late later on...
Google will kick MS @ss if MS plays fair, that is why MS is up to their cheap old tricks like usual. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -9/+1Here is a nice VIEW... http://digg.com/links/Rare_Mirage_Last_for_4_Hours_Off_East_China_(Pictures)
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