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- iamdanielj, on 10/12/2007, -4/+103Awesome that it passes the acid2 test. It will be nice to say this about Firefox when it comes to the time.
I like how they are working on making it lighter on the CPU. One thing many projects forget to do when the add a variety of new features, is to work on the code, and clean it up and make it more efficient. Especially for something that is used every day like a browser.
Definetly dugg, and I'm tempted to go try the second alpha. - griffindj, on 10/12/2007, -6/+73@multitask & doctorsax
Have either of you bought/tried Vista? I doubt you have considering the mis-information you're spreading. I have 1 gig and run Aero and firefox is as responsive as it was on XP. - Dietrich, on 10/12/2007, -4/+51This article offers no new information what-so-ever.
To paraphrase.
"I downloaded a beta version of firefox 3"
"It has a buggy garbage collection function. They are working on it lolol"
"Here is a screen shot of something that is in absolutely no way different than what you already see on a day to day basis."
"Here is a screen shot of the about pane. TRY NOT TO DROOL TOO MUCH OVER THE VERSION NUMBER BECAUSE IT'S HIGHER THAN THE ONE YOU'VE GOT AND THAT'S A SIGN THAT MAYBE IT'S NEW"
Buried. - tateswayz91, on 10/12/2007, -14/+57@ naio 21
That was the lamest troll comment ever. - richbradshaw, on 10/12/2007, -1/+35All non-final builds have that logo.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -14/+43"Just having Vista is going to require 2 gigs of memory for good performance with multiple applications. It's not just Firefox.Just having Vista is going to require 2 gigs of memory for good performance with multiple applications. It's not just Firefox."
really, cause im running Vista with Aero, Sidebar with 6 gadgets, Windows Mail, IE7, firefox with 6 tabs 2 of them running flash, 1 on digg, 1 on google homepage and 1 blank. AVG is doing a virus scan in the background...
all on an Intel Celeron 1.46ghz laptop with 1gb of ram with no problems... - BobMysterioso, on 10/12/2007, -3/+24To everyone saying it sucks your memory, do you find yourself needing said memory, or does it just bother you you don't have any free?
I mean, its memory, why not use it. If you're just browsing with firefox who cares? Is all the memory hungry chompiness of firefox causing other things to run like crap?
For the record - FF2 doesn't think chompiness is word.. i suppose it isn't. - KicktheDonkey, on 10/12/2007, -5/+23I have no idea what you're talking about. I've had firefox 2.0 open for about 3 days, with many tabs open, running about 8 addons, and it's still only grabbing 58 MBs of RAM. And that's my experience on all 3 of my Windows PCs and 4 Linux boxes (work + home). [I understand, I'm not exactly a representative sample).
Can you re-produce the memory leak? Or did it happen once, and you've cursed firefox from there on out? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -9/+26Cool digg. Dugged for my fanboyism of Firefox.
- BobMysterioso, on 10/12/2007, -4/+20I do web development (web 2.000ohh) and can tell you opera is just like FF in the memory department. Leave it open long enough, leave enough tabs open and its way up there the same.
The real question is why smartftp will eat all your ram just being open. But i suppose thats another discussion. - WhereAmI, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15@ herrshuster
maybe its because his comment had nothing to do with the particular poster he was replying to. - nofxjunkee, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8rik: "What's up with the logo? Are they dropping the fox (whatever it's called)"
It's a fire fox, rik. Good thing I'm a rocket scientist!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Panda - meltingrobot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6@JDoorjam
It's probably Flash. I've found that if I don't install Flash, my Firefox browser never crashes or slows down. Whereas, the computer with Flash installed, the browser crashes 2-3 times a week, always when I have some Flash site open in a tab. - Humptydank, on 10/12/2007, -11/+17Firefox 3 Alpha 2 is starting to sound like a Stephen Colbert action comic.
- nailer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6One things that keeps me on Opera: a zoom function. IE7 has it too now. A program that views documents should be able to zoom in on them. I set Opera to 150% or 200% default and this makes for great casual web browsing, when you're not staring at a screen - great for reading the news in bed.
Making text massive, and wrecking the layout of the page when nothing fits inside its cell anymore, doesn't count. - EtherGnat, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Well isn't that special. *church lady stare* I wonder, who could it be that caused you to make such a useless comment? Who could it be?
- jsd8cc, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Are they going to have tear-away tabs => new window feature in FF3? I think if it had that, my FF experience would be complete.
- tobbe303, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6Am I the only one who'd rather have the browser cache loads and loads of megabytes via RAM than having a small memory footprint and continuously dump and read the cache from the (way slower) disk?
(Granted that the the program in question releases memory used to less important stuff to newly started programs that asks for it of course) - aeoo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5There may be some leaks in FF2, in theory. In practice, in my daily usage, FF2 runs solid for days without leaking memory.
Most of the time a "leak" occurs is on a Javascript-heavy site that has improperly written Javascript.
Leaks do not occur on sites that use very little or no Javascript or that use well debugged and well written Javascript. - cbergeron, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Will there ever be a software package that is just "finished"?
When will the Firefox team, just say, "Ya know what, we've done all there is to do. Your browsing experience is now the best. We'll release a new version when a new operating system comes out, or if there's ever a paradigm shift in computing. Have a nice day!"
I dread each new Firefox version that comes out because it inevitably runs slower than the version I _had_ that was working perfectly. Firefox 3 already?! Can't we just sit back and continue enjoying 1.5 for a while? It's fast and lean... - jojoman02, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Well lets just say firefox doesn't have as good linux support as it should (when compared to windows), but i do have to say it is getting better every release. :).
- fearphage, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Firefox:
- open for 3 days with 3 tabs at the most
+--- this article
+--- youtube.com search page
+--- one youtube movie (search bro rape) played twice
It was only used for the first day and then left idle.
Opera:
- open for 19 days (2+ weeks) with a minimum of 10 tabs and a max of 45
- used daily for atleast 6 hours
http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/8126/ff3yg3.png - lcmatt, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/5324/cpuffme3.jpg
Firefox has been running for over 2 hours and currently has 15 tabs open, when I minimize CPU is 0% and RAM under 80mb. - Thats using v2.0.0.1 - vahnx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@griffindj I'm running Vista and Firefox launches half a second to a second slower (and that's after it's been in memory). In XP launch of Firefox is way faster.
- stockjones, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I really do hope they fix the memory leaks and the general rendering speed of the browser engine. It gets better all the time, but those two things keep me from using it 100% of the time.
- sleepwalkers, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I'm running OS X and after about an hour and a half, my Firefox 2.0.0.1 build is taking up 123 MB and climbing. One window (with no tabs) and six extensions.
Strange, since it seems like a lot of people have had these memory issues eliminated. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1anyone else have problems running firefox on gentoo? i was never able to run the firefox 2 or 3 binaries on gentoo but all the firefox 1.x binaries did. compiling firefox 2 was the only solution.
- noseeme, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1It would really help if the author of this article knew what Cairo was... But otherwise, it's good.
- Mihai12345, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I cant wait for the betas. Not brave enough for this one.
- monkeyboy7706, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4I'm sick of people complaining that firefox uses too much memory, yes it does use memory but I've never found it to slow my computer or interfere with other applications. I wouldn't have upgraded my memory if I didn't want anything to use it.
Firefox can quite happily use all the memory it wants so long as it works. - garyh84, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1You could either download the theme from the Mozilla website, or you could create your own theme. If your only problem is the graphics, you have no problem.
- jonnyq, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0nailer is correct that Firefox needs a decent zoom feature. It just wasn't possible before, but as I understand it, the switch to Cairo should make it possible now. I don't know if that will be a feature out of the box, but an actual zoom extension should be possible now.
And by zoom, I really mean zoom the rendered image - not increase font size and attempt to scale images. - dm33, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Firefox needs to allow closer integration with Mac OS X. That doesn't mean its tied specifically to Mac OS X, but that plugins or interfaces are provided that ALLOW closer integration. Currently it seems that Firefox is targetting Windows by its lack of Mac integration. Areas where they need to integrate include:
- Use the system wide keychain to maintain userid/passwords rather than using Firefox's built in password manager.
- Use the system wide dictionary rather than use the built in Firefox dictionary. - lifenstein, on 05/30/2009, -0/+0I used to have memory problems with Fx 1.5, but right now I'm running 2.0.0.1 with two tabs and (believe it or not) 25 extensions, and Fx is just over 65MB RAM & 55MB Virtual Mem. And this is my home PC with all windows updates installed, with 256MB of memory..
At the same time, when I run the same version at Office, it slows down the system to a standstill with just 6 extensions, but I'm beginning to think maybe that's because it doesn't have all the post-SP2 updates installed (Both machines are running XP SP2) - Genshiken, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Firefox 2 owns.
- stockjones, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Im assuming as a MAC user when you say intergation you are talking about the "visual" look of the interface. The Cocoa interface is pretty but it can make many a web developer cringe because they have to create css etc just so elements layout and dont overlap due to the over bearing Cocoa GUI. Its not standard at all, but apparently Firefox 3 will have the cocoa thing for Mac users.
- hackwrench, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1http://www.webstandards.org/files/acid2/test.html
In my copy of the latest nightly build, Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9a3pre) Gecko/20070209 Minefield/3.0a3pre the nose is offset by a few pixels. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1You can run 1.5.0.x or earlier for as long as you need.
I'm afraid that MS has gotten the mainstream user used to having only one major version of come out every 5+ years or so. IE8 has already been under dev. for at least a few months, so they're also stepping up the speed a bit. - nofxjunkee, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2So you think this is akin to the new linux user wondering why all their memory is in use all the time? I'm not sure I agree 100%. To a certain extent I bet you are right on the head, but as someone who does web development now and then I use firefox quite a bit and I have memory problems if I leave FF running for more than a few days. It might be my extensions, it could be a number of things. I don't really care because I am used to not letting it run for that long now, but having to restart my browser reminds me too much of Windows back in the day. It shows some suckiness on Mozilla's part, but I still prefer FF to anything else despite its minor.
edit: FF's dictionary doesn't catch a lot of words. I should try & change from the US dictionary too because it hates it when I write odour, favour, colour, etc. - noseeme, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1You make it sound like upgrading Firefox is like installing Gentoo or something. :|
- balerhgae, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Looks like they're pulling a winamp 3.0 on it. Not that I care too much. It's probably for the best.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1LMAO, the Firesux fanboys are pissed!!! :-D
- adrenaline33, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1Maybe because no one cares about Macs
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0Firefox?
I prefer RedFoxx.
"Oh, this is the big one! You hear that, Elizabeth? I'm comin' to join ya, honey!" - nerdvernacular, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1it is in PacLand... and PacLand matters.
- lamestory, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1Really .... still a bit buggy? Just like 2.0! Fix 2 before working on 3 for Christ sake! IE7 and FF2 are so bad right now that I have to use OPERA!!!
- elnerdo, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1That's HORRIBLE. To prove it, I just opened SIXTY tabs on my browser (Maxthon) and my RAM usage (with this page displaying (not even minimized)) was only 20mb.
That's FOUR times as many tabs, and 1/4 as much RAM usage NOT EVEN MINIMIZED. - kendals, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1How do the speeds of this one compare to Camino on Mac, anyone?
- Ramble, on 10/12/2007, -8/+5No, Opera has the best caching algorithm I've seen on any browser and it has a small memory footprint.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+1uhh, not another upgrade. I upgraded to 2.0 yesterday and I don't like it very well. Why do all the graphics have this wierd Windows Vista sort of look? And why did they get rid of all my icons? Does anyone know how to get the old 1.5 icons into firefox 2.0?
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