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- mhl12, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?id=436&application=firefox
^ session saver
sometimes crashes though. - kortiz, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6something opera has been doing for as long as I can remember...
- jinexile, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3jiminoc, there are many firefox developers, they've fixed over a dozen leaks since 1.5, the new trunk has at least 10 that have been fixed since 1.5.0.1
- Vektuz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3What if something in one of the tabs is what caused it to crash?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Firefox users are far too lenient, no other 'non-critical' software is having so many problems is tolerated, ever. The solution being "built in" to the browser is a hacked add-on, and doesn't address the problem. Being able to recover from the crash is not the solution, preventing it is.
- jiminoc, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Firefox developers really need to stop adding features and work on fixing memory leaks and crash issues. All the features in the world will not fix people's growing distaste for firefox.
- alarm, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Yes, this has been built-in to Opera for some time now.
- hcl40u, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"Here's a hint guys/gals.
This is a firefox topic, not yet another opportunity to spam us with "use opera!"
It gets tiresome. Really."
Tell that to everyone who spams "use Firefox!!" in an IE or Opera topic. - skeeve, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Alright, first-off to all the spammers. What's the point. OK you prefer Opera or IE. Is this a topic about which is better? No.
And to everyone who said that this isn't important because there was already the extension or because Firefox should have had this functionality long ago. Firefox extensions are a fantastic example of the bazaar method of coding versus the cathedral method. Basically, once someone sees the need for something, they add it. If enough people like it, it becomes standard.
And to those saying firefox shouldn't crash. Everything crashes. Maybe firefox crashes more than other things, maybe it doesn't. I guarantee that there are people working to make it crash less. But in the meantime, isn't it nice to know that you won't lose your work,research, or whatever else you might be looking at because of a crash? - jiminoc, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3if they could only fix the 250MB of memory it uses, life would be grand :)
- spyres, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Here's a hint guys/gals.
This is a firefox topic, not yet another opportunity to spam us with "use opera!"
It gets tiresome. Really. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"They probably haven't done anything about the so called memory leaks because the only people that complain about it are the ones that have nothing better to do then watch their task manager all day.
I can have 6 tabs open, photoshop, open office, and 2 other programs open without have a problem."
same here. i've got 1GB of ram (not 2 or 3 or 4 like some people) and yet i have no problems with it either. i even have upwards of 20 extensions installed, too.
"Opera has being doing this for ages", "opera this, opera that, opera blah blah blah"
ok we get it, opera has a lot of features out of the box, but some of us DON'T NEED THEM. i hear opera has mouse gestures pre-installed, but since i hate them, i have not downloaded the extension. it's so great that firefox lets you pick which features you want to install, as opposed to what some random programmer WANTS you to use. so STFU all of you opera fanboys, this discussion in no way has to do with opera, so please just ***** off.
thank you. - LabThug, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Hasn't Opera already been doing this for like...what...four-five point releases?
That reminds me. Opera 9 Tech Preview 2 came out today! What am I doing on Digg, I have a new toy to play with?!
Bittorrent search and support, Widgets, oh my!!! - plasticmind, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Hey, Opera, FireFox, Safari... so long as it's not IE, why can't we all just get along!?
- coyforce, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Honestly, I dont know about the rest of you, but I have actually never had my FF crash! The only problem I ever had was trying to install out of date, unsigned extensions and it would not come back up after restart. That was my own fault. Maybe all the crashes everyone is speaking about is due to extensions? I only use about 3.
- timgatton, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0been using it for a long time ... works great.
- mirzmaster, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I cannot believe how many children appear to be on Digg. I didn't know the audience was so juvenile. Just about every comment thread is filled with insults, cursing, and pointless bickering. Please, go elsewhere and stop forcing me to rate each and every single comment with a negative rating.
To the point I was going to make, I think just about every commentor in this thread missed the whole point of building this new feature into the Firefox core:
"The API should allow session information to be easily accessed by extensions. An extension could store session info on a remote server, and allow users to restore the same session from multiple computers. This is currently a feature of the SessionSaver extension that doesn’t really fit into the core browser."
The Session Restore feature is a consequence of a more useful API that will allow persistent data storage, a feature that can be very useful to Extension developers all over.
I will cautiously point out that Opera can leverage neither the Extensions mechanism, nor a commonly available persistent session data store (this will be the extent of my Firefox fanboyism).
That said, if you don't like Firefox, don't use it. If you don't like Opera, don't use it. If you don't like IE, don't use it. If you don't like any of those... use Lynx ;) - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0senerio:
you looking at porn.. grandma knocks on door. you close porn and hang out with grandma. A few hours later she asks a question or something so you offer to look it up on the internet. Fire up firfox and we are looking at big bouncy nurses from poland and my grandma has the for shame look in her eyes. Session saver is the spawn of the devil. But still use it. - hakujin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Wow!! Not only does Opera already do this (and hence it is not a big thing that Firefox does it too) but some lame firefox fanboy has maked every post saying opera does it as Spam :-)
To that person - get a life."
What is "this" and who is "that". Pronouns don't work with the level of OT in this thread. Secondly, the only time "spam" was denoted was in the context of people saying, "My browser is better than yours". ,
And your assertion is a fallacy... affirming the consequent. Because Firefox does something that Opera already doesn't mean it's not a big thing (or a big thing) for that matter. - rekka, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I'm happy this is coming, better that it's built in than I have to use an extension like I am doing now.
I admit it though, Opera rocks too ok? I'm running it on my laptop now simply because it runs faster on my older hardware. - hakujin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"all i see is firefox still copying opera... yet everyones still head over heals for firefox"
Don't see what's so difficult to figure out and what’s up with all this “who did what first” mess.. Why would anyone honestly give a ***** about it, unless you have shares of Opera that are going down because of FF?
Up until recently, Opera charged for their service, only loosening the purse strings because FF's success made 'em do it, not because they wanted to do it for you. So what if Firefox mimics the best features of Opera and adds loads on top of that. For me it's simple. I've listed functionalities an extended firefox can do that Opera can't do. It’s always been free, and it will only get more functional every day. Yet the Opera lovers just gloss over the extensions part.
On top of that, once some new website comes out, someone is bound to write an extension to take advantage of that with FF, not so with Opera. So why again, do you think average people are going to feel Opera’s jade because something was taken and introduced to FF?
“It uses 1/10 of my system’s memory and I’m afraid my RAM will get offended”
“It crashes when I open a million tabs”.
“Sniff… sniff… WE DID IT FIRST… IT’S JUST NOT FAIR [BOO HOO]”
If that is the best Opera loves can come up with, is it any wonder which Browser is more popular between the two? - hakujin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Point taken skeeve, and just one last RE: because I can't help it ;>)
"Yeah...But most "major" extensions are already implemented in Opera and the new Opera (Is it TP2 or something?) Beta...If you can't live without a little weather icon telling you if it is raining or sunny outside than Opera is not for you...But I know that I would just look out the window."
So, in other words, a light handful of Firefox extensible functionality is implemented within Opera and if you want the rest, use Firefox? I'll agree with that :)
As to your last statement, I don't have a "weather icon" on Firefox as there are far greater extensions for Firefox that save me loads of redundant typing, mouse gesture, and key strokes... Good try though :) - RyanJones, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@oilingz - I may not like Opera as much as Firefox but that is just stupid - why do it? :S
If they do add this feature I just hope they make a wayto disable it because I hate session saving.
Cheers,
Ryan Jones - tsupersonic, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Lol, you gotta love people. First of all we complain about the memory leak in FF. It's a serious problem, and it's not being fixed. Second, have you guys ever heard of Opera? It's free and is far superior to Firefox. Uses less memory, doesn't crash, and there is a built in Session Saver. Now they're adding Widgets, and more. Here you guys are still complaining about Firefox. Don't you think it's time you stopped repeating that? Don't get me wrong, Firefox is a great browser, but like I said, Opera is far superior.
- pintong, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Nothing pisses me off more than FF crashing with 6 tabs open :)"
Wow, seriously only 6? I average 30-50, so I *really* know what it's like to have a crash (usually from Quicktime, I've noticed). And as far as the "this adds bloat!" comments go, I'll have to point out that this is a feature that stays out of the user's way and makes using the browser a more pleasing experience. Asa has explained before that they're only looking for features that fit those (or similar) criteria. Think yellow address bar on secure sites. Think click-and-drag tab reordering. - hakujin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Yeah, what he said ;>)
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about freaking time. opera's had it for ages. now they have to add about 100 other features to Firefox to compare to Opera. and no, I'm not talking about extensions. all the sensible features that Opera has could be very well integrated into browser and put to use immediately after installng the browser.
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I honestly don't know what features you're talking about. I read the extensions comparison someone posted and only a small handful (of Firefox extensibility) was chosen (which btw, I don't use) and the comparison on one I do use (Gmail Manager) was a shoddy one at best.
But wait! You have a dumb downed IRC chat in your browser and an email client integrated. No wait! Built in search, but only to those sites deemed appropriate by Opera. Well there you have it. Opera is the big winner (not!).
Simply, I want the features I'm running within Firefox and no, no, no, Opera can't do them. Because? It's closed, as in, that would be a cool feature, let's incorporate it, but sorry, we can't maybe next time.. well anyway here is the .xpi so use Firefox. So why bother? Because it runs 10 milliseconds faster and uses 20 megs less RAM? Wow! Where do I sign up? - prodigy311, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0saft does this for safari
- malkav, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Brower preference always causes flames wars. Just to clarify, Opera is free as in beer but not as in speech. It is still developed by a commercial company and the source is not available and opera is norwegian not swedish ;)
- pbjorge12, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Memory is cheap, I’m not running a 133Mhz processor, and Firefox doesn’t crash on my system 1-4 times a day, or a month for that matter, drama queen."
I am not being a drama queen - It really crashed that often. It also seemed to conflict with Visual Studio 2005's debugger...Which is also bad. - DoubtfulSalmon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I've seen a lot of complaining on digg and other news sites recently about Firefox crashes. I've been using Firefox since circa version 0.7.something, and I've gotta say, I've *never* seen the kinds of problems that I'm reading about these past few weeks.
Usually I'm running the latest release of firefox on win32 (xp, sp2, current non-evil patches) or gentoo with a 2.6 kernel. Firefox is working just fine for me thanks very much. - cntp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I don't want firefox to restore my tabs when I close it - I close it I want it gone. I had the session saver extention for a while, but it was annoying.
Not a feature, an annoyance for me.
and to all the opera users - firefox has tons of extentions that do lots of things that you can install or not install. - D-Man, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0If you don't want this feature... close your individual tabs before you close the browser... Then when you load back up... one tab waiting for you to do your work. No harm done. :)
- mattyj, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1>> Here's a hint guys/gals.
>> This is a firefox topic, not yet
>> another opportunity to spam
>> us with "use opera!"
Then just use Opera and get it over with. Opera users get sick of getting spammed with posts about this new, cool feature that FF has, which we've been enjoying for the past 25 years. Get over yourself.
It's free as in beer, and I've used it as a paying customer since version 5 because it's just better software. I won't choose open source software unless it's superior in functionality, but if you like running crap because it's free (as in freedom) go right ahead.
Lastly, maybe widgets are a cool thing, and I was glad to see that this is going into FF's core functionality, but those plugins/extensions/whatever bug me. I just want a functional browser right out of the box without having to add-in all that garbage. It's worse than buying a car. 'You want floor mats with that? Muffler? Wheels? It's gonna cost you.' Sure, the cost is cheap in a free browser, but it's annoying to have to download an extension every time you want to do one little thing.
Waaaaahhhhhh!!!!!!!! >':O - TomPetty, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0howabout making FF faster than IE... !
- abdulzis, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Opera has this since version 6 I think
- jiminoc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Yea... whoever dugg this should definitely UNDIGG it... Session Saver has been how for ages... and this is def not new tech news... WOO HOO... a new extension that does the same crap that Session Saver did."
BMcClure you idiot, try reading the page first. Its an example of someone writing an extension that is going into the CORE BUILD of firefox. Its not another extension you ass. - rmccabe916, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1"Free as in beer eh? Does beer come with obtrusive advertising (as I believe Opera did the last time I checked). No amount of "free" will bring back market share."
The ads were dropped in version 8.5. You snooze, you lose. ;) - hakujin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Oh, lest I forget another crafty extension, furl. Those folks at Opera couldn't pay ME to come back.
- kiph, on 04/20/2009, -0/+0Been using SessionSaver for a while, and love it. Nice that it is being build in to future versions. I feel a little bad for the extension developers, though. I wonder if Mozilla sends them a fruit basket (:D
- m85476585, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I usually leave up to 30 tabs open for weeks. I use bookmark all tabs every time I significantly change what I have open, but sometimes I still lose tabs.
Right now I have 13 tabs open and 300mb of memory used (and another 300 mb virtual).
Here are some things I've noticed:
Adblock Plus seems to have fixed most of the "memory leaks". 1.5.0.1 seems to crash more than 1.5. Java, Adobe reader, quicktime, and other plugins seem to be the most common causes of crashes. Session-saver (the extension) never works for me. - szelij, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Since when does FF uses up 250 megs? It does stand to reason to dump your memory once in a while you know...not just let it run and accumulate. Max i've had was some 40+ megs and thats from using for a like more than two days.
- whiteghetto, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0if you want this now.
I use the Tab Mix Plus extension
very powerful control over tabs, including session and crash restore features - hakujin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I went through your extensions comparison howie, and out of all those comparisons, I'm only using one (mouse gestures) and I'm using a lot of extensions. So, let's just say that, if someone is to tout all the pros of Opera, it shouldn't start with cross comparison of scripts.
Second, what is claimed as the gmail notifier equivalent is lame. If I wanted to use a client with gmail, that's what Outlook is for. But why would anyone want to do that? It defeats the beauty of webmail, that is Gmail. But Gmail Manager with Customize Google... not that is even better. :)
Dunno, I guess if you're a sysadmin that thrives on standardization and tire of IE's myopic ways, than Opera is the way. But if you like to stay on the frontier of extensibility, don't mind an occasional bug, and like "fashion" labels, Firefox is the optimal choice. For me, it just keeps getting better and better. For what it's worth, I used to use Opera before Firefox... but when I was introduced to FF, it was like a web browsing spiritual enlightenment. - Voide, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0ROFL @ JimXugle
.....he has a damn good point though. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0>"Wow!! Not only does Opera already do this (and hence it is not a big thing that Firefox does it too) >but some lame firefox fanboy has maked every post saying opera does it as Spam :-)
>
>To that person - get a life."
>
>What is "this" and who is "that". Pronouns don't work with the level of OT in this thread. Secondly, the >only time "spam" was denoted was in the context of people saying, "My browser is better than yours". >,
>And your assertion is a fallacy... affirming the consequent. Because Firefox does something that >Opera already doesn't mean it's not a big thing (or a big thing) for that matter.
think about this for a second: the headline reads "FIREFOX TO RESTORE ALL YOUR TABS AND WINDOWS AFTER A CRASH"... what the hell does "omg firerfoxx is teh suk get operaa cuz operaa inveteded this, not lame fireeerfosx!!!!@" have to do with this discussion? if you think about it, comments like those are considered pure, unaldulterated *Spam* in a thread such as this. Opera fanboys invariably come out of the woodwork to let everyone know how they use opera and that opera does more stuff out-of-the-box than firefox. Happens every time. Here, on Slashdot, hell even on Fark and pretty much every. single. *****. public. forum. on the Internet.
i actually used to use opera but was bothered by the fact that they kept the source closed AND tried to make money off its users via advertisements. then along comes firefox which was free and ad-free (unlike opera at the time) and on top of all that, was completely open source. oh well, opera got greedy and lost a massive market share to firefox. i'm not a fanboy for opera or firefox, i (and everyone else) just want something that we can customize the hell out of, is free, open source, and user-driven. so i can understand why you opera fanboys get mad everytime more and more progress is made on the firefox project ;p
To all the Opera fanboys: get a life. - hotpepper, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Maybe they can restore the text in the form I was filling in when it crashed last.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1off-topic: where is this "free beer" I keep hearing about?
- spyres, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0---Then just use Opera and get it over with. Opera users get sick of getting spammed with posts about this new, cool feature that FF has,
I've never personally spammed an opera digg with a bunch of Firefox talk. I don't personally care what browser you use, but I do care about having digg topics stay at least marginally on topic.
Since I don't exhibit the behaviour you mention, I guess you're not talking to me... - kminchau, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0You're concerned that you have 6 tabs open... I usually am running with about 50 open... so loosing that is bad.... hence why I usually use Opera... AND it with that many tabs open it still only takes up 250 Mb of space...
- hakujin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Your avoiding the problem, Mozilla.
Better have an option to turn it off..."
Isn't that the beauty of the Mozilla framework?
about:config -
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