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- hello2usir, on 10/11/2007, -13/+82Learn to read a site's policies before signing up.
Nothing to see here. - GerryBot, on 10/11/2007, -4/+53Looks like a fairly standard terms and conditions. The proof of the pudding will be whether they would ever act on this kind of thing. Let's face it, when MySpace did, look at the backlash they received.
- canewediggit, on 10/11/2007, -5/+40tos is not that much different than digg, myspace, youtube, et all.
welcome to the internet my friend, how may i help you? - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -5/+37more like "Welcome to the internet, how may you help me"
- mindstyle1, on 10/11/2007, -8/+27nothing out of the ordinary with those terms of service.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -1/+14No *****. *ALL* popular public "blogging" and/or "social networking" sites say pretty much the same thing in their Terms of Service.
If you don't like it, get your own domain and figure out movable type or wordpress. - bpapa, on 10/11/2007, -9/+21Buried as lame because -
1 - This is a stupid attempt to try and get people to rally around a ***** "injustice"
2 - Facebook, as far as I can tell, has a track record of doing very little "evil" thus far in their short lifetime
3 - All sites like Facebook have a similar terms of service
4 - Who the hell CARES? - thelastdyingday, on 10/11/2007, -10/+20after reading their ToS, and watching http://www.albumoftheday.com/facebook/
i think i'll pass on any new social networking sites. - owensbofe, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8in that video, her voice is really _really_ annoying.
- ggidster, on 10/11/2007, -2/+10I suspect they may have been advised to do that by lawyers. It sounds like lawyer speak to me anyway. As mentioned above, it's one thing stating it, another actually acting on it. If they acted on it, I suspect the backlash would be so immense they'd have to give in very very quickly. People are fickle when it comes to to the web. The way to maintain user loyalty is to let the user do what they need to do and behave reasonably at all times. Kevin Rose took the bold step of doing exactly that over the whole HD-DVD thing. That's about showing your loyalty to your members, and in turn getting their loyalty to you. At whatever cost, because loss of that loyalty is you basically finished in the fickle online world.
So in short I wouldn't read too much into it. - trghpy, on 10/11/2007, -2/+8Yea really...
I was more surprised that someone was bored enough to actually READ them and then devote even more time in order to post it to digg. - dykesat, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7This is what freaks me out about facebook:
From the privacy policy: http://www.facebook.com/policy.php
"Facebook may also collect information about you from other sources, such as newspapers, blogs, instant messaging services, and other users of the Facebook service through the operation of the service (e.g., photo tags) in order to provide you with more useful information and a more personalized experience." - canewediggit, on 10/11/2007, -4/+9@rev- true, but that's not a simpsons quote. please visit my website at hyperglobalcompumeganet.com for further explanation.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4OK, I DID just add "Concerned about Facebook privacy" to my facebook account. If it somehow disappears you can be damn sure that is the end of my facebook account.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4You accept their TOS then you play by their rules.
- Marigold, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5Sure this sucks, but c'est la vie. Read terms before submitting original work anywhere.
- aboyd, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4I don't mind their TOS too much. I ended up adding something similar to the member agreement for each forum I run. Otherwise, you get repeatedly slammed by people who want to retract their content. "You banned me? Fine, remove everything I ever posted, nyah!" Uh, no.
I note that they request a "non-exclusive" agreement. So basically, they're just saying, "If you give it to us to publish, then we have the right to publish it." They don't prevent you from doing anything else with the materials. They just want the right to publish it as you intend.
The only draconian things are that they can KEEP publishing it even after you close your account and tell them to remove your stuff, and that they take the right to sub-license. Not sure why they need the sub-licensing, but I understand the other part. In fact, the sublicensing stuff is a little scary. What if you put together a book of all the photos or writing you've put up on Facebook, and the publisher just goes to Facebook management and strikes a deal with THEM to publish your book. Could they offer better rates and undercut your selling price? Is that even what that section is intended for? - msaleem, on 10/11/2007, -17/+21Reminds me a lot of this: http://www.albumoftheday.com/facebook/
- eean, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Except the meat of your applications run off of your own server. Its misleading to say that Facebook can "own" your app.
- tjex, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4Try putting "Concerned about Facebook privacy" as your status and see how long it lasts before they take it out for you!
- mandarin, on 10/11/2007, -5/+8Very little evil in their short lifetime doesnt mean they never will.
- meechwings, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3And this is a surprise because...?
- p0tent1al, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4Excellent link.
Yeah I think I'll pass on facebook. I would definitely (notice how I spell it right) recommend anyone reading my comment to check out that link by parent poster. - mikesbaker, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3check the mirror before posting and the mirror didn't get it - you diggnoob
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3They own nothing at all that I've willfully divulged to the whole internet. I don't like it either, but I don't need a tinfoil hat. All I need is a pair of eyeballs and functional pre-frontal lobes to help me understand the English that their TOS is written in.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -5/+7Wait wait wait, so let me get this straight. If I voluntarily use resources provided by someone else, to write or create whatever I want, I have to follow their rules or those resources will be taken away? WTF? What ever happened to Free Speech?!? What about my sense of entitlement?!?
/sarcasm - mikesbaker, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2^^^ loose change was Rob Dougan - Clubbed to Death this is a Boards Of Canada song. Boards Of Canada is my fav. ambient electronic group and I highly recommend them.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -3/+5damn , how did I miss that :)
- MrPlug, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2lets say, my facebook is reading an RSS feed from my website blog, is it mine or theirs?
- TimDigg, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Most social networking sites are like this...
It's basically a "Just in case"
I know I'd be mad if something started on a facebook page turned into a multi-million dollar something or other...I'd want a piece of that - MScrip, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1> "If you don't like it, get your own domain and figure out movable type or wordpress."
Or, learn CSS and HTML.... and build your OWN damn website! - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1"OK, I DID just add "Concerned about Facebook privacy" to my facebook account. If it somehow disappears you can be damn sure that is the end of my facebook account."
No takedown yet. It has been up for several days. - spidoman, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3"What happens in the facebok stays in the facebook"
Is my generation really stupid enough to think that they can do whatever they want, and say whatever they want in a public forum, and have no consequences because of it? Dang I really hope those people never have any kind of power. - toonworld, on 10/11/2007, -3/+4that would be the reason why - as an amateur photographer - I only post party pictures on that site. For the more artistic ones, I just post notes linking to an external site. That external site CLEARLY states that all pictures are copyrighted to me. I also ensure that the resolution is good enough to view on a screen, but not good enough to print. Facebook can never own me or my pictures... ever!
- CatalystDM, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Digg is so apologetic for Facebook just because Kevin Rose seems to prefer it. If this were Myspace or another social network's policy, there would be outrage.
- abhiroop, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Article was long and quite a dull read really, not worth a digg.
- striker1211, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1For the record... It's compuglobalhypermeganet
- shampoovta, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1 I am intrigued by the comment reactions.
I guess it is the old "the grass is always greener" sort of thing. - Riffraffs, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1no different than the t&c that every free web host has ever had, from geocities on.
- eean, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1They can go ahead and publish the 800x600 resolution that passes for photos on Facebook as far as I'm concerned. :)
That is weird though. In reality they do respect your copyright, eg someone can't order prints off of your album without permission from you. (though like I said... those would be some horrible prints). - khyberkitsune, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1ToS cannot go against copyright, as THEY ARE NOT PAYING YOU FOR YOUR WORK. Therefore, the copyright is explicitly yours, Facebvook has NO RIGHT to it as this is not a place of employment, and that's it. Sue facebook for violation of copyright, cite DMCA for code (since he have apparently decided random numbers and characters are patentable and copyrightable) and take them all the way to the bank in a low-technology town where no judge or even lawyer knows jack about technology. Set the precedent that allows everyone else to sue Facebook, and we're rid of one social networkign site - Next up, Myspace!
- hypercrypt, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1I think it may be in case they found a sub company such as Facebook UK in another country. PayPal did this for example...
- mfratt, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Which is why I don't put sensitive or private information on facebook. Unless the DoD or CIA is going to come after me for underage drinking, I think I'm all set. Even as a photographer, I don't put pictures other than those of friends up there.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2 evolver...you lose ALL crediiblity with your silly loan sharking comment.
- spidoman, on 10/11/2007, -3/+4lol you'll pass because of a TOS? You need to pass on the internet. Geez people are dumb.
- Coniferous, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0My guess is so they cant be sued when someone grabs an image from their site that belongs to someone else.
I can just see the lawsuit now... "because facebook didn't protect my image, they're guilty for damages!"
I'll bet they're just trying to cover their ass. things get kinda touchy with user uploaded content.
I wonder what would happen if someone uploaded content that didnt belong to them, obviously facebook cant claim possession of something the uploader didn't actually posses either. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0Do Diggers ever read the linked articles rather than just going by the title? Most of you are commenting about Facebook's policies regarding posting content to one's account, but this has to do with the terms of their API, which is the subject of the article linked to.
Essentially Facebook has created a huge research and development department for themselves at little cost. In exchange for the use of their API, you become a volunteer in this R&D department, and Facebook reserves the right to take your idea for themselves, shut you out of the system if they don't want you around as competition, and not compensate you at all. It's very smart business, and very fair actually since they are providing a service, but people need to be aware of it. Since hardly anyone reads Terms and Conditions carefully, articles like this one are useful for bringing to attention the potential pitfalls people can get into when not being careful. - cowsandmilk, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1hmm, lets see what that can mean? Maybe they do things like go through AIM's api to put a little symbol next to your username saying whether or not you're on aim at that moment? oh wait, they do. Stop freaking out.
- radix76v2, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0The data mounted up in facebook and other sites is a valuable asset for 'intelligence' datamining.
That`s one wet dream of an 'intelligence' officer.... sadly it`s true.... - jjhat1, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1Buried as inaccurate, things like this have been posted before about Facebook. Facebook's terms are no different from other sites such as YouTube. It is sad this already has so many diggs.
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