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- sumeshpremraj, on 03/07/2008, -0/+9242000% growth? Did I read it right? If so, serves them well.
I hope other companies follow Verizon and say no to Sandvining (and provide us with FIOS) :D - funchords, on 03/07/2008, -0/+74=quote=The FCC warned Comcast that it will not allow it to disrupt internet traffic, which is of course a major concern for other ISPs considering investing in the Sandvine system. According to a G&M report, it is this hesitancy over net neutrality issues, coupled with problems major telecoms companies are experiencing when trying to refinance their debts, that have hit Sandvine hard.=endquote=
The above phrases should not go unappreciated. When Comcast declared war on P2P -- as many others had before -- it had an unexpected result. If anyone successfully figured it out, at worst they expected the anger of a bunch of freeloaders (those trading in muzic, moviez and warez they shouldn't share anyway). The FREE in freeloaders is the same as FREE found in FREE BEER -- to use the apt analogy established by some in the Open Source community.
Instead, they drew a more powerful opponent force: those who support and defend freedom. In this case FREE referred to motherhood issues such as a FREE PRESS, FREE SPEECH, and a FREE PEOPLE with their own rights to an ever-growing sea of innovation, knowledge, and artistic expression.
The very inventors and pioneers of the Internet to staunch defenders of an independent press and open governments mounted a rigorous, uncoordinated, but simultaneous attack that blew the hidden Sandvine technology out of its forgery-protected husk and into the light of day for all to ponder. It's discriminatory nature now available for all to see.
Back to Enigmax's article, the Sandvine technology's attraction is to save money. Telecoms (CATV MSOs in this case) can and will spend money -- the question is, will they spend it on upgrades to meet consumer demand, or will they spend it on devices to secretly shape customer demand to their own will.
Since the Grass-roots forces of freedom dismantled the money-saving power of the Sandvine product, Telecoms find themselves having to rewrite their plans for 2008. Thus the Network Neutrality debate and Telecom buying factors mentioned above are inextricably linked together in a deadly Perfect Storm for Sandvine.
Robb Topolski - JuStein, on 03/07/2008, -2/+68***** Comcast.
***** Sandvine.
I'm out. - GeorgeWKush, on 03/07/2008, -0/+56I hope they burn in hell.
- mark076h, on 03/07/2008, -0/+56you cant throttle the future
- inactive, on 03/07/2008, -0/+44I hope to see "Sandvine files for bankruptcy"
- playaj20008, on 03/07/2008, -3/+43Every time I come close to giving up faith in the universe and karma something like this happens.
- SHv2, on 03/07/2008, -0/+34Uhh, you're right, that's quite the growth.
I use Comcast and I hope they rot in hell for this "delaying" issue. Oh if FIOS were only in my area, stupid river is delaying its' arrival. - Yatti420, on 03/07/2008, -0/+3142000%, from all the crap Rogers Inc purchased...
- CMiYC, on 03/08/2008, -0/+30It is easy to achieve that growth if you didn't have sales one year and then signed a major deal the next.
Growth numbers can be so meaningless without context. - Elderon, on 03/08/2008, -0/+24The 88% figure was just drop in sales, not company value. That figure was a 42% drop. That makes me feel all warm in fuzzy inside knowing that they just lost almost half of that 42000% increase. Ahh doesn't it feel fantastic.
- Sryden42, on 03/08/2008, -0/+22This has been an excellent year for filesharing and bittorrent in general. The RIAA is being hit on multiple fronts, Radiohead, NIN, and Saul Williams all released albums on their own, and now this.
Hopefully this isn't followed up with a string of bad news. - MrViklund, on 03/07/2008, -2/+23What's up with a company selling only "BitTorrent throttling technology" being public? Every Atom in US has to be public and traded.
- inactive, on 03/07/2008, -2/+22that is what they get for being *****!
- TrevorBradley, on 03/08/2008, -0/+15I wonder which ISPs use this technology... I've been having problems with my Canadian ISP (Shaw) packet shaping affecting my use of the Gaming VoIP application Ventrilo... Outbound Ventrilo packets get delayed by as much as 2 minutes, not with other VoIP like Vonage or Teamspeak.
The ISP admits to packet shaping but won't talk about the technology. The only thing the shaping seems to affect is Ventrilo, my Bittorrent rates (Linux ISOs!) are just fine... - saisumimen, on 03/08/2008, -0/+14Hope they like their profits throttled. Rat bastards.
- dupswapdrop, on 03/08/2008, -1/+14Hey we should all pool our money and buy them out. Then convert their stuff to open up bittorrent traffic and block comcast ads!
- Briandrews15, on 03/08/2008, -0/+1342% loss on stockholders equity is never considered the price of doing business... don't misunderstand; this is major loss.
- falafelkiosken, on 03/08/2008, -0/+13And they call themselves "Intelligent Broadband Networks"…
- BinaryFragger, on 03/08/2008, -0/+12Rogers... ugh
When Rogers purchased Sprint, they upgraded my phone service to Rogers Digital Home Phone (phone service through cable) and they assured me that it won't disrupt my DSL service.
Of course, it was a lie as it completely killed my DSL, and they offered to "fix" my problem by trying to sell me Rogers Highspeed Internet.
After hassling with them for 2 weeks (which involved a complaint to the Better Business Bureau), I ended up having the problem fixed by having my ISP convert me to dryloop DSL.
Rogers: Canada's equivalent of Comcast. - CrazyDave303, on 03/08/2008, -1/+12If an ISP did not want you to use the bandwidth then they should stop selling unlimited accounts. They should have data plans 10gigbyte 25GB, 50GB or what ever, just have it clearly advertised. If I want more bandwidth I should pay for it, and holly ***** I should be able to use what I pay for!
Can you imagine if I walked in to a store and bought and Pound* of Meet*.
*Pound = 500g net weight before watter is pounded in to food product. This is not limited to possible changes that may have taken on package date or in the future.
*Meet = simulated food product that taste like meat. No food proteins present. Not for human consumption.
We don't let ***** like this happen in the super market, why do we let this happen in the communication field. Why do I have to read long contacts to figure out what I might be getting. Or worse the important information is hidden in legalese. - CrazyDave303, on 03/08/2008, -0/+10Well my idea is a lot better then Unlimited* internet plans.
*Unlimited defined as the unlimited number of packets we block in your connection. Max monthly down load limit is 40GB a month, blocked packets are counted in monthly tally. Trafic to Competitors VoIP, BitTorrent, MSN Messenger, YouTube will be blocked. For 5 Year contracts only. First born child is required if you are over your bandwidth limits. - Suspected, on 03/08/2008, -3/+13Sorry but you just sounds stupid. I have to digg you down.
- CrazyDave303, on 03/08/2008, -0/+10I don't know why he's getting dug down,,, what he says is mostly true.
- MarrowMan, on 03/08/2008, -0/+9I hope they go bankrupt the cheeky fockers!!!!
- Fedaykin311, on 03/08/2008, -0/+9The 88% loss is taken against the sales figure that brought 42,000% growth, not the original sale figure.
It is a big loss. - marklittle, on 03/08/2008, -2/+11Throttling the bittorrent protocol is akin to censorship by ISPs, something expressly forbidden in the US. Bit torrent is not purely illegal, in fact it's the easiest method of distributing content on a large scale. Legal trackers like http://www.wortharchiving.com and legittorrents prove that it's not just about illegal copies of star wars.
- Veni_Vidi_Vici, on 03/08/2008, -0/+8***** the RIAA too.
After all, they were the ones who primarily started all this *****. - GeorgeWKush, on 03/08/2008, -2/+10You're right. Just like when someone builds a human death ray. It's not their fault for building it, it's the fault of the market demand, or the cable company that used it.
- MadN, on 03/08/2008, -7/+15Why have Sandvine employees and executives not been arrested?
If I made software for man in the middle attacks and sold it commercially, I would get to meet new "friends" IN PRISON! - Terr01, on 03/08/2008, -0/+7"Throttling the bittorrent protocol is akin to censorship by ISPs, something expressly forbidden in the US. "
Not precisely. Rather, companies qualify for "common carrier" status, where they say: "We're just a utility, we don't care what the power/water/bandwidth is used for."
Because of that status, they are immune from prosecution, such as if it turns out a customer is downloading kiddie porn.
But the instant they start making those content-based decisions about how people use their bandwidth they lose (or, in a legal world, ought to have lost) that common-carrier protection.
Saying "censorship by ISPs is expressly forbidden in the US" is not accurate. It doesn't even relate to the first amendment, which is a limitation on government. - mCanada, on 03/08/2008, -0/+7It's simple. A) You're a college student that distributes an executable of the same nature on alt.binaries.2600 and some asshat DA from the government makes a show trial out of you so he can ensure he gets into the governors mansion. B) You're Sandvine incorporated, you distribute an executable to large multinational corporations to screw with millions of people. The difference?
The MNO telco's give blow and hookers to the DA on a weekly basis. - mCanada, on 03/08/2008, -0/+7The best way for all of us to put the nail in the coffin of the RIAA is to support those who are breaking away from the RIAA. If someone is asking $5 for the Album, pick it up. The economies of scale will stop the lawsuits faster than anything else.
- uberkling, on 03/08/2008, -0/+6Looks to me like their share price has been throttled.
- orlandorays, on 03/08/2008, -1/+6"You are evil. You are evil, and you will be destroyed."
--Ouiser Boudreaux - mrsteveman1, on 03/08/2008, -0/+5They are being sued right now, so yea it is a big deal for them. This crap doesn't go unnoticed and never will.
- igob8a, on 03/08/2008, -1/+5All companies that throttle bittorrent deserve this.
I have Bell Sympatico (canada) and they throttle bittorrent speeds from 3PM to 1AM and it really pisses me off since my download speed drops to 30kb/s.
Hopefully they go bankrupt or something soon - jeffman12, on 03/08/2008, -2/+6It doesn't only sell "BitTorrent throttling technology". Look at there website, http://www.sandvine.com
- kruptd, on 03/08/2008, -0/+4don't shape me bro
- rbowes, on 03/08/2008, -0/+4Rogers blocks some bittorrent. But only sometimes, and only in some areas. I go to university, so i spend time in two different cities, both with rogers high speed. In one I get close to full speed most of the time, the other I'm lucky to get 10kb/s.
- MarrowMan, on 03/08/2008, -1/+4heh look who's getting throttled now
- Maddoktor2, on 03/08/2008, -1/+4One word:
Karma.
'nuff said. - dlsmd, on 03/08/2008, -1/+4Good! I hate bandwidth throttling.
If internet companies can't keep up with demand, then they need to improve the infrastructure! - funchords, on 03/08/2008, -0/+3@TrevorBradley,
I agree with xhazerdusx -- I don't know anything about Ventrilo, but it's not a service that it makes any sense to throttle.
When it was revealed that Comcast was throttling P2P protocols, all of a sudden a bunch of Lotus Notes administrators said, "AHA!! This is happening to us, too!" And, as it turned out, they were right. It's not that Comcast had anything against Lotus Notes -- it's that Sandvine's product or Comcast's configuration of Sandvine had a bug in it that mistook Notes for a P2P product and interfered with it. If this wasn't bad enough, the Sandvine installation at Comcast was so secret, not even the Customer Support staff knew anything about it. So when a user called and complained, Customer Service people would reply -- no, we don't interfere with P2P (which was the truth as far as the CS people knew).
So, make sure that Ventrilo AND Shaw know about your problem. If you're certain that Shaw is the big differentiator, then make a lot of noise about it. It could be a side-effect, but you're a paying customer and you deserve a service that works. - TrevorBradley, on 03/08/2008, -0/+3This is precisely what's happening. MAC addresses are being flagged for packet shaping, and then later vent packets get delayed, even with no torrents running. In fact you can change your MAC address and see the problem vanish.
My ISP (at least at the tech support level) actually isn't evil. They genuinely want to help and say they don't want to packet shape Vent. Flagship on the other hand is very closed lipped and apart from saying "It's an ISP problem" refuses to talk about the subject. Personally I'm hoping for a new version that quietly slips in a TCP only feature and makes the problem go away without even admitting there was a problem. - hexydes, on 03/08/2008, -0/+3Lock it. This is the thread winner, right here.
- bliz, on 03/08/2008, -1/+4Encrypting torrent streams ftw~!
- TheMachine1, on 03/08/2008, -0/+2I agree blame the monkey that is tossing the ***** not the *****. But that still makes Sandvine *****.
- Veni_Vidi_Vici, on 03/08/2008, -1/+3That alone should tell you something about the power of positive karma. To quote Barack Obama: "There is no such thing as false hope."
- eggy123, on 03/08/2008, -0/+2Do you understand math?
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