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- gorilla, on 10/11/2007, -7/+56@rosstizm: It's football here, not soccer. Damn Americans.
- SpacedCowboy, on 10/11/2007, -6/+42@rosstizm:
It's football, mate, not "soccer". That's like calling a bus an 'omnibus' because it's technically the right word.
I know, I know, you made the mistake of calling 'ball-game-with-lots-of-padding-and-helmets-for-the-big-nancy-boys' "football" instead of some derivative of 'rugby' - perhaps "American Rugby" would have been better... but really - the whole world calls it football. You know we're right.
Simon. - mousy, on 10/11/2007, -8/+30@rosstizma
If I saw you in real life, I'd punch you in the face. - SuperiorKarsch, on 10/11/2007, -4/+22"They should rename this article to: "No one cares about soccer""
Are you serious??
I'm pretty sure it's the most played sport and if you watched coverage of the world cup you'd know you're a tool. - hidetoshi, on 10/11/2007, -4/+21rosstizma in American arrogance shocker
- SpacedCowboy, on 10/11/2007, -7/+23@rosstizma: ('A' added - I just sut'n'pasted from hidetoshi's response...)
*laughs*, *rolls around gasping for breath*, *picks self up off floor*
*FOOTBALL* is boring ?????? *falls back on floor again, can't stand up*
*FOOTBALL* is the 90-minute game where a player will cover ~10km, right - constant movement, passing, attack and defence changing from second to second, fluid action, raw passion and excitement, fans getting in on the game with chants, songs and banners...
Not the game designed for TV commercials, with breaks every 5 minutes, with *two* teams (one offensive and one defensive) that have to exit the field all the time, that takes an entire day to play a single match because of the various interruptions ? And *FOOTBALL* is the boring one ? Jesus H Christ almighty, your "football" is as riveting as tic-tac-toe.
And I thought Uefa was blind...
Simon. - jrowa, on 10/11/2007, -3/+18I'm a life long Liverpool fan, and I'm appalled at the behavior at the minority of our fans over the years.
There are no excuses, but UEFA have been appalling over the 2007 champions league tickets fiasco...
Anyone who know about what I'm talking about will agree here, we had more than 70 thousand fans traveling and allocated 17, 000 tickets.
ANY team in the premiership, or even world wide, if they have the passion our fans have, they would do anything to get in that ground. The champions league final is the biggest sporting event in the world in my opinion.
Im not making excuses here but im sick of fellow scousers who support Everton giving us the abuse, 'we would never cause trouble'. How would they know? When was the last champions league final they went to?
We, like every other sporting team have a minority of fans who will cause trouble.
Only this time UEFA have ***** up big time and they are exactly going to say 'oh, we made a mistake, the trouble was our fault'.
For the record, Milan fans give as good as they got at the final 2 weeks ago. - Zique, on 10/11/2007, -3/+13@rosstizma
And without us western civilization wouldn't exist. So?
If it's such a boring sport, why do Football events regularly gather more audience than the final event of its "exciting" American version? - SpacedCowboy, on 10/11/2007, -5/+14From Rick Parry, the chairman of the LFC board:
"Let's not forget that these same supporters who Mr Gaillard is claiming are now the worst in Europe were praised by Uefa President Michel Platini after our semi-final victory against Chelsea only last month, commended for their behaviour in Istanbul in 2005 and actually honoured by Uefa at a gala dinner in Monte Carlo in 2001 as joint Supporters of the Years with Alves after the UEFA Cup final."
Strange how an appallingly-badly-managed final can entice the rats from the sinking ship of Uefa's reputation, huh ?
If Uefa *really* want to reduce any crowd trouble, they could
- Give more tickets to *fans* rather than to sponsors etc, the vast majority of which go straight onto the black market
- Choose a stadium that fits in a lot of fans, it is the CL *final* after all... Perhaps how much cash is paid by city officials ought not be an issue.
- Choose a stadium that has *turnstiles*. These are a relatively modern invention, so perhaps this is a bit much to ask
- In the same breath, perhaps influence the policing strategies, so they're later than eighteenth-century
- Try to make sure that fans with *valid* tickets can get in, rather than be turned away. If *you* had spent a few thousand dollars on a trip, accomodation, and *valid* ticket but were turned away, how would *you* feel ?
The big issue is that 1/3 of the tickets are immediately sold on the black market because of the way UEFA manage their ticket allocation. There will be "fans" who misbehave, no matter what team is there (and I'm not disputing that some of the behaviour of the LFC fans was deplorable). The thing is that 15000 tickets on the black market will cause a lot more problems than the few-hundred over-roudy "fans" that travel to get drunk and disorderly.
Uefa need to sort out their own house, before knocking on the door of others.
Simon - politechaos, on 10/11/2007, -2/+11This is absolutely ridiculous. The UEFA heads said just days before that Liverpool's fans were "well-behaved." They are trying to sweep under the rug the fact that they completely mishandled the Olympic Stadium situation, having a venue without turnstiles, scanners, people to check all the tickets and then holding out those with the genuine article.
Some paid thousands of pounds to fly in and then realized that the Greek officers were just letting anyone in through a metal gate in the yard. Some fans are even filing lawsuits against the UEFA to recover for the money paid. - aryo, on 10/11/2007, -8/+16i hate chelsea.
- wbgo, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8From the Liverpool Echo:
# On February 2 a police officer was killed in Sicily when fans rioted during a derby match between Catania and Palermo.
# On November 24, 2006, a French police officer shot dead a Paris-Saint Germain football fan after being turned on by a mob during racist violence that followed the team's defeat by Israeli side Hapoel Tel-Aviv.
# On Saturday night a referee was attacked on the pitch during an international match between Sweden and Denmark. The game had to be abandoned.
# On September 15, 2004, Anders Frisk was forced to abandon the Champions League match between AS Roma and Dinamo Kiev after he was felled by a lighter thrown from the stands.
# On April 4 this year 12 Manchester United fans ended up in hospital after Italian Ultra hooligans ran riot around the Roma v United Champions League quarter final.
Do incidents like these not pose a far greater threat to the very fabric of the game than those fans who Gaillard claims stole banners from the Olympic Stadium in Athens?
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Worst in Europe, my arse. - carlwalton, on 06/02/2008, -0/+6I think an Italian club should have got it as well. I mean, the league was in danger of being cancelled at the beginning of the season when a police officer was killed after a match between two local clubs. Yet every time a British club plays in Europe we're the ones classed as being violent, agressive or rude, but when have you ever heard of two British clubs fighting amongst themselves over the past 10 years?
I'm a season ticket holder at Newcastle United, and we have some of the most passionate fans in the world. I haven't seen ANY violence between home and away fans at St James Park. I've never heard of there being any violence at Anfield either over the past few years. It's only when we (British clubs) play away. Look at the Man U saga this year; whenever they were playing away there was loads of violence, but when they were at home there wasn't any (in comparison). - burnzy3210, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5dugg for being something i can relate to (being English myself)
on the subject of football vs soccer, football is the obvious name surely... you use your foot to kick the ball
unlike American football, where you carry the ball, more like rugby - BlackAdderIII, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5"""a racist sport"""
How do you work that out when it's played all over the world by, and between people of almost every race from almost every country?
Remember that Cameroon team the whole world rooted for in the world cup in the 90s? Yeah, that was real romper stomper stuff. Sieg freaking heil they were singing in the football clubs of Africa, Europe, Asia, Oceana, South America etc., I'm sure.
And the way it brings people together from cultures around the world, despite their differences? Yeah, pass the jackboots, moron. - englishganxta, on 10/11/2007, -6/+11Buncha ***** money hoggin' whores!
- timxpx, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5is calling someone a redcoat even offensive?
give up on rosstizma, he's a lost cause (not to mention a troll with nothing better to do).
...and to make the comment relevant- i'd bet some fanatics -- hooligans or ultras or whoever else you'd like to bring out -- would *love* to have their way with people like rosstizma. - ByteGuerilla, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4The Italian police are worse than any football hooligans I've ever seen.
- SuperMoses, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5They were well behaved because they were winning. It's when they lose that cause them to behave like a bunch of children that didn't get the toy they wanted.
- nicc, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5while I love for fans to be supportive, they knew in advance that there were only 17,000 tix per club and UEFA said there would be no more. now why did 70K+ Liverpool travel to Athens when the stadium didnt even hold that many in the first place?! (UEFA had Athens scale down the ticket #s so the stadium was not at full capacity)
- hidetoshi, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3He prefers the Digg bandwagon
- michaelward82, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3A ridiculously biased report.
There may be some fact behind it, but to throw around emotive, sensationalist and subjective accusations such as being the worst fans in Europe is a dangerous and silly thing for UEFA to be doing. These things are not sorted by antagonising fans. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4i read your whole comment but im pretty sure your gonna get dugg down right after "Being from the United States,..."
- doombo, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Did you even enter in a football stadium in your life?
I don't think so. And I don't think you have a clue about how supporters are divided inside a
stadium, and how "organized supporters" and hooligans are seen by "normal" supporters...
In a 60000-80000 people stadium, you may have 5000 *****... they may be racist
every now and then, they may be violent and be as bad as they can be...
But it's statistical man, take 70.000 people you will ALWAYS find 5.000 *****... and they will
eventually gather. But please think twice before insulting the rest of 65.000 people just having fun. - chimpus, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Please talk me through the passage of time when Liverpool were winning! Sure, they battered milan first half but at no point were they winning in the final.
- mikev, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4this is surprising. i thought an italian club would pick up this title; guess not.
- GavinZac, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2@ hidetoshi
hilarious - Asianwaste, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2SCOWZERS!
- CatalystDM, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3@rosstizma
Shut the ***** up, dude. There are PLENTY of Americans who love soccer/football, and I'm one of them. It's people like you that are the reason the MLS isn't a stronger league. I would definitely punch you in the face if I saw you in real life as well. - englishganxta, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3Im a Magpie lol..
- neverwalkalone, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Calm down kenny, calm down!
- doombo, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2You quote some facts sad and true, but I feel I should point out something
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# On February 2 a police officer was killed in Sicily when fans rioted during a derby match between Catania and Palermo.
Very sad, very true. But please consider Catania is a very small team. I don't know about England but here in Italy often problems arise from small teams with violent supporters. I agree that Catania should be banned for many years from professional football for what happened, but large teams have a very different situation.
# On November 24, 2006, a French police officer shot dead a Paris-Saint Germain football fan after being turned on by a mob during racist violence that followed the team's defeat by Israeli side Hapoel Tel-Aviv.
Couldn't agree more: PSG supporters are some among the worst in Europe, in my opinion.
# On Saturday night a referee was attacked on the pitch during an international match between Sweden and Denmark. The game had to be abandoned.
AND
# On September 15, 2004, Anders Frisk was forced to abandon the Champions League match between AS Roma and Dinamo Kiev after he was felled by a lighter thrown from the stands.
These episodes are not really interesting in this topic: they were single idiot individuals in two single episodes...
# On April 4 this year 12 Manchester United fans ended up in hospital after Italian Ultra hooligans ran riot around the Roma v United Champions League quarter final.
I agree with you.
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But if you really like to go back in time....
# On May 29th, 1985 in Brussels, Belgium - Heysel Stadium. 39 Supporters have been murdered inside the stadium by Liverpool hooligans during Champions League final. This single episode, imo labels Liverpool Hooligans as the worst in history. Ever.
English Hooligans are well known for their violent behaviour --ESPECIALLY ABROAD-- this doesn't justify violence seen in other parts of Europe, but blaming other Countries instead of understanding that English Hooligans ARE STILL an issue, is plain blind to me.
You solved many problems when your teams play in England, but there is still SOOOO MUCH to do regarding when you come in the rest of Europe. BTW I'm not blaming all of the supporters, I know it's only a minority of them being super-idiots... - UKsHaDoW, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3Rugby is played on horse back?
Rugby is played on foot, with no padding or helmets, and usually involves some sort definite injury.
I know someone who broke his back playing rugby, his now paralyzed in his legs. - doombo, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1@politechaos
I don't really need to do more research, trust me but I know what I'm talking about.
Yes, some fights broke before the match, yes Security and the Stadium were inadequate.
Liverpool hooligans were drunk as hell... (as usual when playing abroad, don't say it's not true!!)
39 people (even a kid aged 11 among them) died because the Kop broke the fence and the police barrier and invaded
the "mixed" part of the stadium (shame on UEFA for having a mixed part). Liverpool
supporters started pushing in a very compact and organized way (thus it was not an "accident"
but everything was intentional) Juventus AND NEUTRAL supporters to the side of the stadium,
they died because they were all pushed against each other, and against a wall which eventually collapsed.
If it's not Liverpool hooligans to blame, then why only juventus supporters died in the episode??
Cmon man, be serious... Heysel has been a huge tragedy that UEFA made possible with their stupidity,
but Liverpool hooligans and ONLY THEM are responsible for their own action!
And by the way the Rome accidents which happened some month before: if you believe that it can
explain and justify murdering 39 people, well I hope you are banned from any sport event!!! - englishganxta, on 10/11/2007, -3/+4Italian? You mean Turkish right?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=8AInR7EZ-zo
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZFR3HTAeQro&mode=related&search= - asantir, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1@rosstizma
First class trolling, well done my friend - NickyBatts, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Am I the only one that thinks the rioting and violence is sweet? I'm American so I am not really used to that kind of passion.
I went to a Rome vs. Lazio match the last time I was in Italy and I was shocked, but I ***** loved it. I threw a brick at an 8 year old kid and I regret nothing.
P.S. - Hey world, sorry about rosstizma. The Pro-Life movement here as you know is really strong... - politechaos, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1"redcoats" lol. Rosstizzma is one of the best trolls ever. You don't actually buy this do you?
/football fan, both the American type and the Worldwide type. - neverwalkalone, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1@jrowa
I have been to many a match at anfield, the atmosphere is amazing, everyone sings the anthem with all their heart. - AbortionsTickle, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1@ rosstizma
People like you make me ashamed to be an American and go anywhere.
@ Everyone else:
Not everyone in America is as boneheaded as this dutch bag. I apologize for his unapologetic ignorance. - englishganxta, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Dutch people know more about soccer than Americans, so I wouldnt call him dutch... Id call him American :O
- EllaTheCat, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Dugg for "... my arse".
- danbt79, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1@rosstizma
You may think you're having fun trolling as an ignorant *****, but the reason America is so hated in the world today is not any one reason in particular - it's a million little reasons like you. - BlackAdderIII, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1"""They should rename this article to: "No one cares about soccer""""
Football is the most popular team sport in the world.
Whichever insignificant sliver of the world population you think is everyone, you might want to think again. - ozcaN, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1actually a turkish team won the uefa cup in 2000 or 2001
- hambend, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1@rosstizma
I hope you realize that by calling football boring, you're insulting the intelligence of something like half the world's population, who enjoy watching or playing the game on a regular basis. That's impressively arrogant of you.
I find american football boring, but at least I'll admit it's mainly because I know nothing about how the game works. All I see is a bunch of big men in tight pants and padding wrestling one another until some guy throws the ball long to someone who scores a touchdown. I don't see the point of tackling someone who doesn't have the ball, but that just shows I'm totally missing the point.
Likewise, if you think football is boring, that probably says more about your understanding of the game than it does about the game itself. - wbgo, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1That was over 20 years ago. A generation ago. Perhaps we should all call the Germans Nazis...
- s3am2003, on 03/04/2008, -0/+1Worth adding that this charge has been removed: http://tinyurl.com/3bnuz2
Gaillard is a tw@ - gratefulspread, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2@ spacedcowboy7
I might be dugg down for this, but based on what you enjoy about soccer, you would love American football as well. There may not be continuous gameplay as in 'soccer,' but no one can deny the action and intensity that is happening in every position on an American football field during a play. American football fans love to get in the game as well (some cities more than others...go bears) Although i wish there were more American football hooligans
It's a shame that these two sports must be in competition with each other because they share a common name. Give American football a chance...'football football' is really starting to catch on over here - zanet, on 08/30/2008, -0/+1What about the Spanish Liverpool FC Boss Rafa Benitez and only fools and horses lingo - what ever next!
Great site on the Blog if you are a fools fan
according too http://blog.ofah.net/2008/08/benitez-speaks-only-f ... -
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