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- dusingaz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4This s just like when the us telephone network was built they needed the option to listen in on phone calls WITH A WARRANT. The same thing applies here. They cops/gov just need to have the option to "listen in" on new technology WITH A WARRANT so they do not end up in the dark when it comes to criminals.
- dusingaz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3hey at least in the US you don't get 404 errors when you want to read about anything your government doesn't want you to.
- SmeRndmGy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4"im pretty sure they already spy on us. on the internet and in our homes."
of course they do. grab a copy of the constitution. Read the patriot act, then cross out that whole pesky bill of rights thing. As of now, you're only as free as they want you to be. it is perfectly legal for them to take any american citizen away at any time with no warrent or approval from any court. then they can hold you indefinately without charging you with anything and they dont have to tell anyone where you are or even that they have you. Now dick cheney is fighting against the ban on torture. you're just asked to trust them that they'll only do this to arab-looking people and wont use it to strip away YOUR rights, just the rights of other americans. any illusion of privacy is just that, an illusion. welcome to the land of the free. - psyonide, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"You guys must all be selling child porn, downloading warez, and cheating on your girl friends (as if you have one) online.
cause you all are some paranoid mother *****. maybe you deserve to be tapped."
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The "if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear" line of reasoning used to be quite popular back in the Inquisition and the Salem Witch Trials as well.
This isn't about whether or not you or I are participating in illegal activities. What you, me, or anyone is doing is irrelevant to this subject. It is a matter of the government gaining too much power. History has proven, time and again, that when any governing body acquires too much power, disaster soon follows. It's usually at that point when civilizations tend to fall.
The balance of power is shifting steadily away from the citizens of this country to the politicians and the businessmen, and the citizens are, sadly, all too happy to give their power away to any fool who claims to know what's best for them. - SmeRndmGy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"if you don't like it why don't you move to canada or something?"
people like you are what is wrong with america. you think that disagreeing with the government means you hate america and should get out. ever think that we love this country and dont want to see it destroyed by ignorant rednecks who run around starting wars and striking fear into the hearts of the american people with tales of bird flus, stem cells, and monogamous gays? you're probably the guy who thinks that people who disagree with the war in iraq hate the troops and want them to all be eaten by bears. go get an exorcism or harass some jewish people or whatever you radical conservatives are doing these days, and leave the internet to the people who dont say "aint". - Trueblood, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Talk about a misleading headline, and old news. Calea applies to class-5 VoIP carriers (like Vonage) every bit as much as it applies to the old-and-busted regional carriers (like Qwest). These are legal wiretaps, not "spying."
No digg. - dasch, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1And people wonder why some want to remove the control of the internet away from US territory?
- dusingaz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"The only thing is, what I'm worried about if it's their making it easy for the FBI to tap into and monitor someone...how easy will it be for someone else NOT the FBI to tap into and monitor someone?"
Isn't that always possible with these kinds of things, isn't there always a hacker who can figure it out? I don't think anyone should really think what they do online is a private thing, there neighbors that could see, ISPs see, web-masters see, and the gov. - nerdjesus1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2This is why you should use PeerGuardian2 over at phoenixlabs.org
- BeerTooth, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"This is why you should use PeerGuardian2 over at phoenixlabs.org"
How do you know that the goverment/RIAA/MPAA hasn't "forced" them to allow certain IP's through? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This just in: U.S. Government Wants to Spy on us.
Wake up folks
- - skwhirl, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1What's next? Requiring FBI surveillence microphones be in the wiring of new homes?
OnStar has already taken that step with new cars... Of course, a nice little drop of solder on the RF coax can fix that, but what if they make doing that illegal? That technology can show your location on a map, open a mic in your car and relay audio to the network, and other things like send temp. all without your permission or knowledge.
Once the camel has his head in the tent, the rest of him ain't far behind. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Ever heard of sneak and peak, w/ "Delayed Notification". Its in the patriot act and it should only apply to "terrorists" but Uncle Sam is using it for everything, guns, drugs, warrrant, going into free citizens houses without them knowing and legally not having to tell them because it is in the interest of national security. They can do whatever the ***** they what know that the patriot act ***** our freedom. Just like they can hold anybody without charging them with a crime. Face it our freedom of speech is gone now we wait for them to kick in our doors and take our registered guns. It will be here soon. Like the guy said "camel head in the tent.... ass is not far behind". Until we get the "Anit-Patriot Act repeal we can look forward to facist-like conditions in the U.S.
- lollerskates, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I can just see the headlines in a couple of years: "The UN invades USA, claims human rights violations, posession of nuclear arms, and harboring dangerous radicals like Pat Robertson."
- lollerskates, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1jib123: As the world leader, we SHOULD be a model country with the best civil rights around. Otherwise, we would be total hypocrites to invade, say, Iraq. If we had civil rights on par with the more liberal European countries, we'd look better at the top.
If we feel we have to give up our rights for "security," we deserve neither. - kinapuffen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Bare with me, english isn't my strongest language.
I've written a paper on the Echelon network and there's no doubt in my mind that the US and it's allies (Canada, Britan, New Zeeland and ) already is spying on the whole world. EU had did an evestigation about the where abouts of the Echelon network and it concluded that it does in fact exist. So what can be said? For example there's a lot of reports that cooperations have lost MAJOR deals to companies in the US after spying that can be releated to the Echelon network. Another thing is that Lotus Notes had secret code that sent 48bits of the 64bit encrypting to US officials. I might add that the whole goverment of Sweden used this program before it was found. Information is power, and the US knows it.
Programs like Peerguardian won't protect you one bit, as all the "phone-lines" are connected through thier bases. They simply read all the information off the routers just like an ISP would. - FuManchu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1quote:
This s just like when the us telephone network was built they needed the option to listen in on phone calls WITH A WARRANT. The same thing applies here. They cops/gov just need to have the option to "listen in" on new technology WITH A WARRANT so they do not end up in the dark when it comes to criminals.
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According to the Constitution you may be correct. But quite a while ago,the Federal government gave up abiding by the "rule of law" embodied both in the Constitution and in it's own Federal laws, as well. Like any entity with power, they do what they can get away with. Who can stop them?
In case you were brought up reading only fairy-tales and never graduated, the Feds have routinely been killing whomever they want to kill [e.g. Ruby Ridge and Waco under Clinton --in case you think I'm a liberal Democrat] without trial and deliberately destroying the evidence to prevent any post-hoc investigations. Unknown numbers of persons --certainly in the thousands-- have been arrested without charges filed, and no trial set, under the "PATRIOT" tyranny. And you think they feel they need a WARRANT just to rummage through messages??
- psyonide, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I'm still waiting for the U.S.A. to finally invent a means with which they can monitor and place bans on Human thought. It could, theoretically, go that far. After all, Americans are always ready and willing to trade away a little more of their personal freedoms and liberties for the sense, the illusion, of security and safety.
- williamdyer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Lotus Notes uses key escrow encryption. It's in the documentation. Ray Ozzie, the creator of Notes, is now chief architect at Microsoft. He is a total brownnose to government spooks.
- Stillbored, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Give me a break. The U.N. is currently trying to sieze the internet...who do you think will be spying on us then?
- loustylez, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0one thing leads to another...
- tonage, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I predict that in 10 years the U.S. will sadly be on it's deathbed
I have been hearing this since I was in grade school. I am 33 now and all this paranoia never pans out. That is all it is, paranoia. - el_jefe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Thanks for replying and if you don't like it why don't you move to canada or something?"
posted by jjb123 (1) at 09:40 AM 11/27/05
Oh what a wonder utopia America would be if we all just thought, acted, and were the same...
"The "if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear" line of reasoning used to be quite popular back in the Inquisition and the Salem Witch Trials as well...."
posted by psyonide (7) at 09:13 AM 11/27/05
Your post is 100% correct. As Ben Franklin said "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - rtcreg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Now tremble, enemies of my country!
- Livewired, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"America Sucks!" "America's the greatest!" "They take away our freedom!" "Our freedom is the best!"
There's never any new argument. I grow tired of the same banter. I think some people just like the drama.
Don't like the system? Vote. Don't think voting is going to help and America is in a downward spiral to destruction? Move. Think one president with two terms is going to cream us all? Close your browser and crack open a history book for once.
Things are never as bad as they seem. The second it takes the ultimate turn for the worst, you'll be dead anyways and saying hello to your maker. - battybattybatt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"This s just like when the us telephone network was built they needed the option to listen in on phone calls WITH A WARRANT. The same thing applies here. They cops/gov just need to have the option to "listen in" on new technology WITH A WARRANT so they do not end up in the dark when it comes to criminals.
posted by dusingaz (0) "
Yeah. Whatever, here is a link to a fun movie regarding the Phone Company and how it can play a dutiful role in our lives.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0062153/ - SteveChisnall, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Okay. Now, THIS is scary. Granted they already probably spy on us but when they make it public knowledge that they are going to demand that companies go OUT OF THEIR WAY to make their customers vulnerable, that is a sign that four words now hold true. And here are those four words:
GEORGE ORWELL WAS RIGHT! - j0c1f3r, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0demofags and republigoofs are the same nitwits....politicians are the problem.....need to start there.... :(
- AHIGHERGOD, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Police State.
- IronChef, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Don't complain if you voted for George W. Bush ..........his presidency was the beginning of the end for America!!!
- BlogJones, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0But wait! The US already owns the internet through ICANN! They are already spying on everything. They're recording all the traffic on the internet onto large mainframes under the Pentagon, and Google is helping them index and search it.
j/k, obviously. - angelwspr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0if someone gets a petition against this i'll sign it. ;)
- YVRSteve, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0The Canadian Government already does this. ISPs in Canada cover the cost of T1 taps into their NIMs.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0First of all the governement doesnt have to own anything to control it. They do what they want the only thing that will stop it most people arent willing to do.
- brandonhines, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0They just want to wire tap VOIP, right? I don't really see a huge problem with that. Our normal phone lines are tappable. And when are you even communicating on the phone and revealing information that could end with you with you behiond bars? Shouldn't those people be in jail anyway? They're not going to be watching every damn call for the hot new warez talk.
- sadler121, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0More reason for me to set up an off shore account and use encryption to tunnel all of my Internet traffic to the server. 4096 RSA for negotiating a 512 AES key should do fine for a while.
- MasterDwarf, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0newsflash genius, ever hear of the patriot act?
--dugg nonetheless. - aresef, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0As Ben Franklin once said: "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Linuxrocks, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Of course they do, pirating is illegal yet so many people are doing it. Not only that but lots of crimes are committed on the internet.
- x2dx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0The goverment could never use any information they get from spying on you enless its legal as in warrent. That information would be thrown out in the courts/ you could prob sue them for invasion of privacy.
And if the goverment is watching me all the they sure havent done ***** about my illegal downloading. they have better things todo then watch you download illgal porn. (acually they might watch you download illgal porn haha) - TheSenator, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU
- c.trinity, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0This thing is going on for years.For you,Americans,will be drastic changes into your Patriot Act.Search the web for that.
It is not VoIp that will be under watch,but all your computer traffic,in and out,as well.
See all the documents containing data retention and related and for one,take it for serious.
G. Bush demanded to Eu,to do the same,a ***** surveillance that has nothing to do with terrorism.There are tons of laws for that and they are aplied.
I wonder,who the hell is that guy that has so much curiosity,that he will break every rule,only to stick his nose into user's computers.
All this thing started in America and it goes like a spider web around the world.
I call it crap! - Niao, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"hey at least in the US you don't get 404 errors when you want to read about anything your government doesn't want you to."
That's because most people are too ignorant or stupid to believe or take a look at the meer idea of their wonderful land being as corrupt as it really is.
OH SAY CAN YOU SEE? THE GOVERMENT SPYING ON ME! IN THE LAND OF THE 'FREE', OF 'TRUTHS' AND THE ***** OF THE LANDS~ - VeteranRanger, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0The internet is the greatest communications medium ever created by mankind and they're ***** on it because they fear something that's "out there".
There will always be someone that doesn't obey the law, murders and steals. It's inevitable with such a large population. But instead of improving physical security they want to invade the privacy of any internet user when they feel like they might have had something unusual for breakfast... - FlyboyP, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Privacy" in the US is a naive myth. Your communications (voice & data) are only ignored by authorities if the government so chooses. The mechanisms are in place for the government to monitor you without your knowledge. The problem, and the reason ALL Americans should be concerned and in protest over these developments, is that the government is collecting supreme power over its citizens through several means, technology being only one of those. All of this is being couched in the language of fear - "there are terrorists among us" - so give the authorities more power, and bend the rules on torture.
"Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely." - bryan8m, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Big brother is getting bigger.
- Mongoose, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Wow, that's pretty cool. WTF is next?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"And people wonder why some want to remove the control of the Internet away from US territory?"
Too bad this has nothing to do with DNS. That's what all the pea-brained idiots are saying. If the UN controlled the Internet, they would have nothing to do with this. This has to do with the CABLES AND CONNECTIONS themselves. Not the DNS, which is what the UN would control. - teknotant, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0what are they going to see? all the porn I download? WTF
- VeteranRanger, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I clicked the damn button by mistake.
Anyway.. it just saddens me how governments are willing to completely obliterate the principles on which the country that appointed them was built.
If there's no freedom of privacy and freedom of expression there's no point to security.
The government just uses fear and the ignorance of the average people to make them believe it's for their own good. Lies. All lies. They are going to destroy something great. -
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