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- Surferess, on 06/15/2008, -9/+121This stuff scares the heck out of me. I understand it is done under the guise of being anti-terrorism, but that doesn't fly with me.
- MacBookForMe, on 06/16/2008, -5/+67a real Orwel 1984
- whatthehell9, on 06/16/2008, -2/+62When the People are afraid of their Government, its a Dictatorship.
When the Government is afraid of the People, its a Democracy. - inactive, on 06/15/2008, -9/+53next they will work on figuring out how to collect, catalog, and data mine human brain waves ^_^
- mecharabbit, on 06/16/2008, -5/+37I'd like my Fourth Amendment rights back, please. Besides, this Echelon thing doesn't even seem to work that well.
- brett717, on 06/16/2008, -1/+22"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both"
-Benjamin Franklin - Ephemeralnode, on 06/16/2008, -8/+28Don't worry things like this is are place because the people in power love you and care for your well being.
I for one can sleep happy knowing that the eyes and ears of our brave leaders are watching the enemies of FREEDOM. - MageOfChrisz, on 06/16/2008, -3/+22And the most inappropriate time to use a ^_^ award goes to...
- hiphoc, on 06/16/2008, -1/+20An even better read is Popular Science april 2001. I was cleaning out my bookshelf when I found this issue a few months back. The front cover is a image of the Constitution torn in half with the words "Is the government spying on you". The issue speaks of echelon, and TEMPEST. TEMPEST is a system that uses the EMF fields from the wires in your home to create a 3D live image of whats going on in your house. Mind you this was the April 2001 issue, many months before Osama bin Boogey Man stepped out of his cave to scare us into a police state. I hope some of you diggers can order a back issue. I will try to scan some pages from the issue and put it online in the next week or so. Send me an email or a friend request & I will give a "shout" when I have uploaded the scans.
- inactive, on 06/16/2008, -6/+23Echelon is pre War on "Terror", it's part of Bill Clinton's legacy; yet another example of both parties working together to undermine our freedom, privacy, and safety.
- CobaltEagle, on 06/16/2008, -3/+20you know, the title could make sense with an apostrophe...
- benroy, on 06/16/2008, -4/+20Did the US government just change the words "American Citizen" to "Terrorist" and not tell us?
It seems like any and every measure taken to "curb terrorism" doesn't effect anyone but innocent American citizens.
I'm getting really tired of this crap.
At this point I'd rather live in a country with little to *no* government whatsoever.
Ghana, here I come! - Brennn10, on 06/16/2008, -1/+17"Iraq's chemical weapons." Lol.
- inactive, on 06/16/2008, -1/+17It's not a terrorist thing, nor a conservative thing.
Its been a project since the sixties
Through Democrats and Republicans presidencies and congress'
It is a joint effort between Britain, Canada and Australia (at least)
Even the French have a version - marx2k, on 06/16/2008, -1/+15Bearacracy
- swrostmore, on 06/16/2008, -1/+15Bush ignored FISA for 6 years, and is now trying to amend it to remove the requirement for a warrant for domestic communications. There is a big debate going on over it right now, and it is going to come to a vote within 2 weeks. It is tied into Bush's demand that telecom companies that helped him to violate FISA law be granted immunity from lawsuits, which sad to say the Democrats appear to be caving on.
- BlaenkDenum, on 06/16/2008, -0/+13Echelon - The Most Secret Spy System (Xvid 47 mins): http://www.mininova.org/tor/325604
- swrostmore, on 06/16/2008, -4/+16Only 99% of the Congressional GOP does (minus Ron Paul I guess, not that it has helped). If you don't want to be generalized, stop voting these ***** into public office!
- clamxbaker, on 06/16/2008, -2/+14I'm hoping you were being sarcastic. You must have been.
- AlanFang, on 06/16/2008, -3/+14History Channel FTW.
- yaddayaddayoda, on 06/16/2008, -2/+13Those who would give up freedom for security deserve neither, and will likely lose both. How's that?
Anyone who understands/follows the Constitution AT ALL would oppose this with every fiber of their being. - Marijuana, on 06/16/2008, -1/+12The 21st century is all about control.
- inactive, on 06/16/2008, -0/+11What about when everyone is afraid of bears?
- desuexmachina, on 06/16/2008, -4/+13It's about goddamn time. I am growing sick of not having an audience for everything I do. I demand our taxes go towards supplying every man, woman and child with a well-paid government employee to watch over them. Hopefully the next step will be a laugh track.
- fuzzybeard, on 06/16/2008, -0/+9It works better than you think. Consider this: You only hear about the failures with these kind of systems; you almost never hear about the successes. A good example of this would be the WARLOCK family of counter-IED systems. Do a little digging, especially on Wikileaks, you might be surprised.
- Ghorkvos, on 06/16/2008, -12/+21This is why people wear tin foil hats.
- Michiko280, on 06/15/2008, -7/+16Really interesting stuff.
- grungegbunny, on 06/16/2008, -0/+9Scary.
- Zakalwe2, on 06/16/2008, -1/+9There's a reason we talk about Iraq's chemical weapons. We have the receipts.
- seventhc, on 06/16/2008, -2/+10The problem with America is that:
A- If we acted as Thomas Jefferson did to become a free nation, we would be killed, jailed and or made into some crazy person.
B- If we did another Boston Tea Party, we would be killed, jailed and or made into some crazy person.
America is nothing like what it was intended to be, and I am ashamed of it since bush took office.
The problem now is there are not enough people willing to sacrifice themselves to render a new way.
We are not a free nation, we may have more freedoms than others, but that is not the point. The point of America was for true freedom. - AnonBuffalo, on 06/16/2008, -2/+9George Bush is watching you masturbate.
- therealgeddylee, on 06/16/2008, -7/+14Just like every liberal doesn't want high taxes and equalized social classes, not every conservative wants the government to spy on them. Stop generalizing.
- paulvq, on 06/16/2008, -0/+6When will you people learn to stop bitching about that?
- onyxrev, on 06/16/2008, -1/+7With the skeptic's hat - If even half of this stuff is true it's damned impressive and nutty.
- dangerz, on 06/16/2008, -0/+6I remember when this was conspiracy theory and people laughed at you for thinking it was real.
- suprememilo, on 06/16/2008, -1/+7Hey Echelon, hire me.
Thanks. - whatthehell9, on 06/16/2008, -0/+6We are called the ColBEAR Nation
- Hangly, on 06/16/2008, -0/+6Echelon was around long before 9/11.
Isn't it interesting that the writers of the 1960's show The Prisoner were able to predict modern society so accurately? - inactive, on 06/16/2008, -0/+5I didn't know we had more than one US Government.
' - Hangly, on 06/16/2008, -0/+5Echelon is in the US, England, Australia, New Zealand, and a few other countries.
The idea is that it is (was) technically illegal for governments to spy on their citizens, but there's nothing preventing them to spy on the citizens of other countries and share the data. - inactive, on 06/16/2008, -1/+6This system is old.The U2 spyplane is old. That's why you know about it and documentaries are being made about it. that means they now have something bigger and better. Just have a look at your Digg history. You see where this is headed... Digg is a part of the system! DOWN WITH DIGG!
...I am SO getting buried, I just know it. - p0ss, on 06/16/2008, -0/+5yeah, there is the one you vote for, the one that actually makes it into power, and the one that controls all the others.
- swrostmore, on 06/16/2008, -0/+5Thats what Carnivore is for.
- modingo, on 06/16/2008, -3/+8Strange how this ECHELON system is capable of sifting through massive amounts of data and yet clearly failed to identify US Dictators Bush & Cheney as terrorists.
- mark076h, on 06/16/2008, -0/+5this is a great story what's your point?
- diggdong, on 06/16/2008, -0/+5The second rule of Echelon outsource your domestic intelligence to a foreign country to circumvent your most prized way of life.
- inactive, on 06/16/2008, -0/+4Apparently, Osama Bin Ladins' Sat phone number is 87-36825-05331. Why not call him up and ask him why he is such an *****?
- Eric4, on 06/16/2008, -0/+4Now if only it had a seeder...everyone's locked in at 83.4%. Really wanted to watch this too...
- inactive, on 06/16/2008, -0/+4oh ok np. thx.
- swrostmore, on 06/16/2008, -1/+5Fortunately, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act mandates that the NSA gets a warrant before wiretapping US citizens. Unfortunately, Bush and the GOP are aggressively trying to amend FISA to remove this requirement. Again, fortunately, we have Democrats in congress that are fighting for our constitutional rights.
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