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- theone3, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5- "The Software is designed to protect OUR CDS from UNAUTHORISED RIPPING"
- "NO information ever gets gathered about the users' behaviour. No information ever gets communicated back."
(Sony BMG CEO guy)
Well. Quote 1 is plain wrong. WE are authorised to rip OUR cds. It's Fair use. Quote 2 is an outright lie. Every time you play a song, it reports back to Sony via the web. Listen to security now 12 (twit.tv) for the real story. - SkeletaLlama, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4You know, he's right. I don't understand how any of Sony's products work, so I won't concern myself with buying them anymore. *****!!
I've had it with Sony, it's ***** over. I'm not taking this ***** anymore. I will not be patronized by a DRM supporting ***** sucker who thinks he can pawn of ***** on me just because I don't know any better. Sony will rot in hell for this.
No PS3, no PSP, no more CDs, no DVDs, nothing from Sony for me ever again. I have officially been converted from a Sony fanboy to an anti-Sony evangelist, I'm one step from becoming an anti-Sony rioter. - chriis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Geez. So, having a computer that dosent work due to constant blue screens is something that 'won't affect' consumers? Not being able copy their legally purchased music onto their iPod, as it is their legal right to do so, 'won't affect' consumers, because they're too stupid?
- mancat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Most people do not know what a 7.62mm Tokarev is. Therefore, why should they care if I shoot them with it?
- MikeZila, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4"Don't worry about that piece of software we installed that could possibly destroy your Windows installation. You don't understand it. Obey."
- mercury81, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I think once Sony became successful they conviently checked-out from reality, they are gonna get smoked. I this Ctrl-Alt-Delete comic pretty much sums it up: http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comics/20051104.jpg
- designbydave, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3OMFG WHAT A ***** MORON!! "Most prople, I think don't know what a rootkit is, so why should they care about it?"
OMFG that is SO ***** IRRESPONSIBLE!
digg++ - SkeletaLlama, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3doctor: "I'm sorry Mr. Stevens, you have AIDS. But don't worry about it because you don't understand it. Sure it will still kill you eventually, but since you don't understand it, don't worry."
What this Sony ***** is saying is that he knows better than the consumer and so the consumer should shove it up their ass and let Sony do what they want. That is corporate fascism. ***** you Sony *****. - fuser, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5what an ass... Sony can go to hell as far as i am concerned and any artist that has signed with them unfortunately has lost all of my business.
- Phoenixfury, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Steve Jobs should be a happier man since this whole thing started with the root kits. Now Sony's threats to pull out of the ITMS seems like much less of a loss. I wonder how long it will be before any of Sony's pissed off artists will try to get out of their contracts and find another label to sign for.. I mean Sony is such a dirty word in the music buisnes now.. Come to think about it, it is another four letter word that starts with 'S' isn't it?
- JimXugle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2And who here has spent more than 6 months reading digg and doesn't understand the concept of a Rootkit?
***** *****.
Big Buisness and Big Government is coming to an end. I can feel it. ***** get the FCC out of the Internet (they dont have jurisdiction) and Antything with DRM should be Labled as such. In 2" Font.
I like the Idea of a flashmob.
Maybe we should put a rootkit on their servers w/o telling them... dunno. - JodaFL, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Why is the mass-media still ignoring this?
- doomsquirrel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I first became wary of Sony when I was looking for an mp3 player 3-4 years back. I was looking at the new mp3-ready minidiscs that Sony had to offer, as hard drive players were big and bulky back then, flash players were barely big enough to hold a single album, and minidiscs seemed to be a good compromise.
Then I did some online skimming on the minidisc players and found out that you first had to rip your music into a Sony-proprietary format to even put them on the minidiscs. Not only that, but I heard there was some monkey business about the software locking up your media files so they could not be utilized on your system until you check them out of your minidiscs - although I'm not familiar with the specifics of the system, it was enough to turn me completely off minidiscs, and I instead went out and bought a cheapie flash player.
Pile that on top of the fact that Sony PCs and notebooks are higher in price than the competition and my view of Sony hasn't been favorable for years.
This new round of BS is just putting nails in the coffin lid. I will definitely be patronizing the competition. I'll be buying a 360, where previously I was planning to wait for PS3. Why? Because I have this sinking feeling that once you insert one of those shiny blue-ray discs into the PS3, it's going to grind the disc up with little metal teeth upon you beating a given game, requiring you to purchase another copy if you'd like to replay it.
Microsoft may be a big unwieldy bully, but at least they're not *completely ***** stupid*. - MasterDwarf, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2What an idiot.
For those not 133t:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rootkit - Juke, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Sony has just landed a spot on the most hated companies list. Trailing behind Best Buy and EA.
- -Ov3roN-, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Excuse me for my language, but that is ***** BS!!! I don't care who it is. Putting ***** on my puter without my knowledge or consent is a crime. How about I put some surveillance cameras in your bedroom Mr. Thomas Hesse so I can watch you ***** your wife.
Large corporate entities make me sick. It's all about screwing everyone else for personal gain. All they look at is graphs and pie charts. Board of directors, share holders... One obligation to feed themselves no matter what the cost. I work my ass off and all I hear from these types in my company is "it's not good enough". The last time they worked was the last time they wiped their ass. I swear to God I've just about had enough! Pharmaceutical companies, Oil companies, my God do I need to go on? I understand that many investors are people like you and I. But when companies make that an excuse to withhold technology and information that could help all of humanity... that is just EVIL. EVIL! Then again it's just business as usual. And I'm probably a stupid fool who should keep his mouth shut. It's a competitive world out there. Someone has to has to swing the sword and stay on top. - circusbred, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Pissed at Sony? Boycott PSP and PS3.
- DrJuice, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I hope there's a huge wave of malicious software that takes advantage of this rootkit. In fact, I'd like to see someone write a rootkit that takes advantage of the $sys$ hiding mechanism for the sole purpose of finding out how many people have this. Then I'd like to see a bunch of proof-of-concept ones showing just what can be hidden by this. Then they should all be emailed to Sony BMG and installed without their permission-better yet, a EULA pops up and asks them to install it.
You know before I got broadband I hadn't bought music in years, then I started using the iTunes store. It seems like every day there are fewer and fewer reasons to actually purchase music.
By the way, I think the most interesting part is that Sony keeps saying that this is all really about Apple not opening up their iTunes content to other player makers, and the damned thing doesn't even work on Mac, you can just rip it and burn it like any other CD.
http://cp.sonybmg.com/xcp/english/faq.html
Time to dust off the old WordPress account. - psyonide, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Mr. Hesse's logic is undoubtedly flawed, but there is a certain amount of truth to it. It's easy for a tech-savvy geek to go up in arms about this kind of stuff, but the average Joe consumer has no clue, and thus doesn't worry about these things.
- borud, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I have to say that any and all forms of DRM lessen my willingness to pay for content. I feel I am getting ripped off when I pay for CDs that have been crippled. When I pay for music I want to have the right to decide what sort of device I want to use for listening to it. It is not even a price issue -- it is purely a practical one: I do not want to fiddle around in order to be able to listen to my music on whatever device I want to play it back on.
It isn't reasonable to forbid me to copy my CDs onto my MP3 player so I can enjoy music I've paid for while working out.
I think that in the long run the recording industry, yet again, would profit more from aligning themselves with reality and stop this unproductive nonsense. - SkeletaLlama, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2But psyonide, he isn't saying they don't get up in arms about it, he's saying that they shouldn't. There's a big difference there. He's telling us that the average consumer should just take whatever Sony dishes out because they don't know any better.
- ironbear, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Oh, dear. Now I must replace the only Sony crap I've bought in years...DVD-R and CD-R drives. Not only is it the principal, it's the question of what DRM 'surprises' lurk within.
- MegaMan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1If consumers don't understand something they shouldn't worry about it? Interesting.
So I guess that means people shouldn't worry about spyware, viruses, torjans, etc. either because they don't understand them. That's great thinking... if you don't understand something you shouldn't worry about it and let somebody else dictate that thing for you.
Seriously this guy should not have opened his mouth, it makes the company look worse then it is already looking after the whole rootkit fiasco. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I have a rather crude term that I believe accurately describes him...*****. Obviously this guy doesn't live in the real world if he honestly believes that. There are so many examples why that statement is wrong it boggles the mind to think how ignorant this person has to be to say that.
- Lebowski, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Sony can burn in hell!!!
- evil_marty, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1hah I wouldnt even expected Microsoft to be that stupid in saying that *****. ***** sony is going to have a bad financial year coming up. Good!
- ahrefd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1if rootkits are undetectable, then what? f*ck sony. isn't apple closely associated with them? i hope that breaks up soon, otherwise...i dunno(jk).
we should all flash mob their sf-metreon store and just stair at the floor w/ our pockets pulled out! ahh, the good ol' days. - Incognito, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1And sorry that whole thing was in caps , but still ***** Sony.
- Balthezar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Glad I just bought a GP2X instead of Sony's "DO WHAT WE TELL YOU TO" PSP.
- SkeletaLlama, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I think it's about time Sony learned how intelligent their users are. They ***** with geeks, geeks ***** back. We can and have destroyed companies before.
At this point I wouldn't even accept a Sony product for free. Who knows what damage it would do to my system. - blackmesa, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1***** those asshats, they can suck a fat one.
I'm not going to buy their PS3, PSP or any other of the DRM'ed ***** they peddle now. - Incognito, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2***** THIS ***** GERRALD. I WILL NEVER, AND INCOGNITO MEANS NEVER, BUY ANOTHER SONY PRODUCT SO LONG AS I HAVE BREATHE IN MY BODY.
***** PS3.
***** CRASH BANDICOOT.
AND ***** SONY WORLDWIDE - urbn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Well looking from his point of view he should be happy that people were able to not only find out about it, and find ways around it, but have also educated people about their b.s. DRM system. So now instead of sneaking it into their products, people will know enough about it to stay away from it.
- vertigoblue, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1wow, just wow...
uhh i think he will be fired after the dust settles. - mindsinker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1What a douche.
- laughterkillsme, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1What balls this bastard must have in order to tell users that they don't understand whats going on and they should just stop being concerned.
I am NEVER buying another sony product again. This reminds me of when they released the VAIO, and sony came out and said they didn't want "those" kinds of users (tech savvy people who knew they were pedeling garbage). - XTrek, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I've already been moving away from Sony anyway. All of their A/V products have crippled and or limited connectivity. They have a DVR that appears to be a good product except you cannot get any content out of the box. No firewire and Ethernet. Their HDTVs have NO serial data capability. They are producing product that do not fulfill my needs. This rootkit crap is just another reason to bypass Sony product. I would recommend dumping Sony stock!
- Dracos, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I've never liked Sony. Now I have a tangible reason for never liking Sony.
I say sony.com will get Pwned within 30 days for this, and it will be HUGE news. But Sony, you don't have to worry... you don't understand the exploits that will get used.
What a bunch of *****.
We can all have a fool's hope that the backlash from this idiocy will make MS realize that *consumers don't want DRM* and they'll remove it from Vista before the release in 2007. - mckennage, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1It's time to fight back! Let's squash Sony. See http://henage.net/dan/security/sony-rootkit.html for ideas.
- sfacets, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Sony is going DOWN! I, for one, will be boycotting their products - besides, there are always better products out there.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Record Executives probably stick to making records rather than making technology policy.
Here's the deal... and I want everyone of you to think about this very, very carefully:
Let's say that a large teaching hospital or medical facility were to have computer systems on every technician and provider's desk. Let's further say that these people like to listen to music at work. Let's also say that the same CD-ROM/DVD-ROM drives used to listen to music are also used for things like PDR drug contradiction look up, medical terminology definitions, digital radiology and expert systems databases that assist with diagnosis. Let's say that DRM app phones home and sometimes transmits buffer space used by these applications, leaking fragments of patient information across the internet (HIPAA violation). Further more, let's say that the IT component of the hospital decides that this DRM is unacceptable and tries to remove the shim resulting the massive downtime for the technicians and providers.
Can you now begin to imagine why this sort of thing is completely unacceptable?
Personally, I'm happy to let Sony's malware leak patient information so that my hospital can sue them at the rate of $25k per violation... but that's just me and my opinions and views do not reflect the policy of any particular institution for whom I may or may not work. - smablue, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1It doesn't mean anything if he's a doctorate in economics, all he cares about is economic interests not civil liberties.
- ahrefd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1found this though i can't see that it's very accurate in light of what he said.
He holds a BA and MA from Oxford University, an MSc from London School of Economics and a doctorate from St. Gallen University. He studied as a concert pianist at the Mozarteum in Salzburg and the Hochschule fuer Musik in Duesseldorf, Germany.
still, what a ***** head. like nike before this, i won't buy from sony anymore. that was like 12 years ago too. - Hexabus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Who does this guy think he is? Who does he think buys his products? I imagine that the the largest consumer base that Sony has is techno-geeks (sorry guys but it is true), and we know our *****, if we don't know it we figure it out, that is how we are and we will not be stomped on by some Mega-corp and told what we can and can't do with a product that we bought with our hard-earned cash (or credit, depending on your means). This is going to cut Sony's own throat cause they have already show such a loss on the PS3 so now the Techno-Geeks of the world must Unite! Don't buy Sony, that is not as easy as it sounds cause there are many things out there that don't display the Sony brand in your face, research, find out, make sure you know you are not supporting a tyrant such as them. Now don't just read this and then play it off, you need to proactive, tell people, as many as you can what exactly Sony is doing, as the educated we have a job to educate the rest, explain to them what sony (they don't get a capital letter anymore) is doing to them, try to dumb it up, don't use so much techie speak, but show the comparison to a virus and spy-ware and make them proactive as well. Wee need to send out a message to other Mega-corps who have this type of device in the works and are getting ready to deploy that, we, the knowledgeable consumers will not stand for this, we will boycott any company (that means you Microsoft) who deploys these tactics in there quest for the All-Mighty Dollar.
BOYCOTT SONY!!!! - sporkman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1hey, everyone, buy a 360 instead of a ps3 then! that'll show sony! whoo!
- sitrom, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1A ridiculous situation. Maybe we could all throw our PS2's, PSP's, and all our game discs at the windows of Sony's corporate office, in one big hailstorm of fury. That'd show them.
- DaveD, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I'm done. I'm selling my Sony PS, PS2, digital camera, DVD player and memory sticks...
Has anyone checked to see if Sony is putting rootkits on their laptops and desktop systems!? - filovirus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Samsung..The new Sony, Tell'em Fred
- paulwoll, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I for one am pissed at them as I wasted over 12 hours of my life trying to fix my computer after trying to add a switchfoot cd to my wifes itunes. I will never buy any sony cds or computers in the future. (We own a laptop and a desktop). As I will never trust the software they will have installed now.
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