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- fnaqzna, on 10/11/2007, -5/+79Pre-911: Nutjob.
Post-911: Terrorist. - cquinnd, on 10/11/2007, -3/+54You must not have been paying attention then.
They had carefully modified a vehicle to allow them to use sniper attacks without notice, after picking a particular vehicle that would be hard to pick out from other traffic (even leading the police on a wild goose chase for a completely different vehicle for a time), and carefully planning their attacks to leave no disernable pattern other than they idea that they must be using the regional Beltway highways to get from one location to another.
Their incompetence was that they were doing it for money, and not for "typical" terrorist reasons, causing them to deliberately leave clues and contacts with police that eventually led to their capture.
What also helped them in the first few weeks was the assumption that the attacks being made were somehow connected to 9/11. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -5/+32Study after study has shown that there is no link between terrorism and poverty. Most terrorists are educated and from wealthy or well-off families.
- AriaStar, on 10/11/2007, -10/+36@ darph.bobo:
You must be very dumb.
Prior to 9-11, anything done was because someone was a nutcase, and now, if you as much as look at someone wrong, you're a suspected terrorist. - trghpy, on 10/11/2007, -7/+30"Their incompetence was that they were doing it for money, and not for "typical" terrorist reasons"
Ahh, Capitalism at its best...
And FYI, a good percentage of the suicide bombers are promised money for their family. - allaboutdatiki, on 10/11/2007, -4/+26Whatever happened with finding the bastard(s) that mailed the anthrax? Why has that gone completely quiet?
- chocobomog, on 10/11/2007, -3/+20There will always be people who have items that others do not (money, land, power, love, happiness, peace, etc) and there will always be people who will to commit acts of violence to take those items for themselves or destroy them outright. Most acts of violence are committed for personal reasons (greed, lust, power-mongering, etc) but a few are claimed in the name of religion since in some cultures it is seen as acceptable. Many wars fought "in the name of God" were really fought for more land and power.
Removing religion won't change anything. There will always be people willing to be evil. - demonotaku, on 10/11/2007, -1/+14It's nice to finally see something like this. I can't stand to watch the "regular" news because all they do is hype stories so that they can get more viewers. I'm glad there are people out there who are still able to think.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -11/+21@azzageddi
Christ, it's like talking to a brick wall.
I said that terrorism is not caused by poverty.
Poor terrorists are not terrorists because they are poor.
As it happens, the reason why the current crop of terrorists exists is because of the Islamic resurgence. If the Qu'ran did not contain passage after passage telling it's followers how they are superior to non-believers and how they must subdue, enslave or kill them all in order to serve god, then these terrorists would not exist.
There has ALWAYS been a jihad (ie. terrorism) against non-believers but it has been applied in varying strengths since the 7th century.
It just so happens that we exist in a time in which real, pious Muslims believe that they can weaken and defeat all the non-Muslims in the world.
With reference to the subject of this thread, the terrorists ARE idiots in that they believe in such utter brainless rubbish, but just because they are idiots doesn't mean that they are not a threat. If we don't do more to combat them, then I guarantee you that your grand and great grand children will experience no such things as Digg, science, space exploration, entertainment or freedom. Just the brain death which is Islam. - trghpy, on 10/11/2007, -6/+16You're right, they won't be terrorists by that point... They'll be freedom fighters, and the leader of the movement would be no better than a tyrannical dictator.
I don't mind putting up with the mormons (for example) in order to support my own freedom. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -5/+15What I'm saying is that poverty does not cause terrorism. I thought I'd nip it in the bud before some 17 year old comes on here and says "but my teacher says that if helped the world out of poverty, there would be no more terrorism."
- fuzzmeister, on 10/11/2007, -6/+14No, by doing that you would create many more terrorists, trying to protect their religion from the oppressors that are trying to eliminate it. I am an atheist myself, but I think that the goal should not be to "stamp out" religion. Rather, we should try to give people information about the world that challenges their beliefs, and let them make their own decisions. If they still want to be religious, you have no right to stop them. How would you feel if they outlawed atheism?
- nepawoods, on 10/11/2007, -2/+10My favorite was the idiot who masterminded the 1993 truck bomb in the WTC garage, then got nabbed days later when he went back to the rental agency to try and get his deposit back.
- brockpetrie, on 10/11/2007, -9/+16@funk
Take it easy on the Muslim bashing. We also live in a time where real, pious Christians believe we can defeat all the non-believers in the world. Fundamentalism knows no particular race or religion.
The Qu'ran doesn't promote any of this *****, just like the Bible doesn't promote it either. As a former Christian who has read both, I should know. Anyone who claims otherwise either hasn't read it, or is abandoning all context. From your words, I sure as hell can tell you haven't read it all the way through.
I'm fine with bashing fundamentalism - bash the living ***** out of it, I'll gladly help. Just don't put a poster face on it. - parasitewasp, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7They are only bumbling idiots until their lame idea work.
- juggadore, on 10/11/2007, -2/+8its gone quiet because they never found who did it. and @swrotmore, when conservative groups try to bomb abortion clinics, thats terrorism. it also works when left-winged groups like the animal liberation front leave a bomb on the doorstep of a UCLA researcher.
i didnt like this story. terroristic ideas should not be poked fun at, no matter how poorly thought out the plans were. the problem is that there are people who wouldnt mind killing a ton of innocent people.
and just wondering... about that fort dix thing. if it was a one guy assignment, and if it was at a school (VT) instead of an army base, would it still be called terrorism? why or why not? regardless, those kinds of ideas are really scary. - diggerphelps, on 10/11/2007, -5/+11I think you meant Post 9-11: Terrorist "MASTERMIND"
- shiftless, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5If someone wants something really, really horrible to happen, it will. Honestly, it's so easy to kill a huge number of people, it's almost boring.
- Moocat, on 10/11/2007, -3/+8You are confusing terrorism with just plain bat ***** insane people. There used to be quite the line between the two but due to statements such as that, it leads me to believe the line is now so blurred many people can't tell the difference.
- OBKenobi, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6You're right about that. It's not all the doing of the government. The media is 50% responsible for hyping up this stuff. CNN is just as guilty as Fox of doing it.
Now, whether or not there is an actual agenda to hype it up for reasons other than ratings/profit is another question. - boaman, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5You are absolutely correct.
- rodzilla, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6buried for liberal propaganda and not tech
- mbthompson, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5This does not belong in technology. Buried
- msoule, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4Schneier does usually have a good perspective. However, I think he is a bit off on this one. If a person or group has demonstrated that they are focused on carrying out some sort of attack are we to ignore them until they gain the expertise necessary for it to be successful? The Trade towers are a prime example. The attack against them 1993 was ill conceived and inadequate to achieve the goal of taking down the tower. The desire of the enemy to achieve this goal did not subside with their failure.
- Kevin108, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4Masterminds are another word that comes up all the time.
You keep hearing about these terrorists masterminds that get killed in the middle east.
Terrorists masterminds.
Mastermind is sort of a lofty way to describe what these guys do, don't you think?
They're not masterminds.
"OK, you take bomb, right? And you put in your backpack. And you get on bus and you blow yourself up. Alright?"
"Why do I have to blow myself up? Why can't I just:"
"Who's the ***** mastermind here? Me or you?" - nepawoods, on 10/11/2007, -2/+6About the guy in Jersey with the laser pointer:
http://www.dailyrecord.com/news/articles/news2-laser.htm
quote:
David Banach was showing his daughter a common laser pointer that he had purchased on the Internet, said attorney Gina Mendola Longarzo. Longarzo said she met with Banach on Saturday.
"At one moment he was in the backyard playing with his daughter," said Longarzo, "and 10 minutes later 12 police cars descended and he was whisked away by authorities and interrogated until 4 a.m."
Banach was taken from his Pitman Road home Friday by state, local and federal authorities investigating the shining of green lasers onto aircraft flying over the region. - digbird, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4The people who don't take seriously terrorist cells with half-baked plots like the JFK Airport and not-so-half baked plots like shooting up Fort Dix (all they would need would be some rifles) don't know their history.
What I mean is that the terrorist cell that did the 1993 World Trade Center Bombing was composed of a bunch of losers, but they apparently succeeded in getting themselves noticed by people who had serious credentials. The result? Ramzi Yousef, expert bomb-maker, comes to the US and manages to pull off what could have been an extraordinarily devastating attack.
So as far as I'm concerned, catching groups like the JFK plotters early in the game is good news. Why? Because it is a lot better to catch terrorists before they have gotten to the point where apprehending them could lead to some gun battle (or them blowing themselves all up and taking some police with them like what happened in Spain when the police cornered some of the Madrid bombers).
It's also good news, because interdicting plots like the JFK one and all the others is likely to discourage the opposition and make them think, "It's no use. We can't even get to first base, so let's go somewhere else." - spock627corfu, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5Pre-1990: Communist
Pre-WWII: Fascist
Pre-WWI: Anarcist
There's always a boogeyman. - nepawoods, on 10/11/2007, -2/+6"no matter how small the threat it is still better to stamp it out."
Unless of course the government decides you are the threat. - darrrrren, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4our media is the real terrorist. and to think where they get their funding...
- bat-21, on 10/11/2007, -5/+8WTF OBKenobi? Take off the Che Guevara T-shirt. It reeks.
- NikoKun, on 10/11/2007, -8/+11We can fight terrorism without giving in our freedoms for protection from terror. Limiting OUR freedoms has nothing to do with fighting terrorists. -_-
What's sad it's not the people giving up their freedoms... it's the idiot morons that lead this country that are giving up our freedoms for us. -_- - msoule, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3@Wyzard
"The goal of a terrorist is not to kill people. That's a means to an end. The goal of a terrorist is to make *everyone else*, the vast majority of the public that wasn't killed, feel afraid that they could be killed too. The exaggerated news reports are helping to accomplish exactly that."
Except that reporting on a quashed attempt makes us the winners. Keeping people focussed on the fact that determined ideologs are out to kill them prevents the public from becoming inured and complacent to a very real threat. - live52, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2There was some discussion above of the anthrax scare after 911. This article tells us that on Nov. 12, 2001 the first of twenty of the world's top microbiologists, most of whom were leading experts on anthrax, died under mysterious circumstance. Then on Nov. 14 another died, and on Nov. 23 one more and on Dec. 10 yet another. What up with that, eh? Most of us were not paying much attention to this story at the time because is was just two months after 911. You can easily verify this story by Googgling and you'll see that it has been widely reported over the years.
Begin Story----------------
July 2004:
Are The World's Top Microbiologists Being Murdered?
The first anthrax attacks were reported in the US on October 19, 2001. Since then, the world's leading experts in the field of microbiology have been dying, most under extremely suspicious circumstances. Here are some details of the most significant 20 such deaths:
November 12, 2001: Dr. Benito Que, a cell biologist working on infectious diseases, was found beaten to death outside his laboratory at the Miami Medical School. No arrests and no suspects.
November 14, 2001: Dr. Don C. Wiley was one of the world's most highly renowned biochemists who worked at Harvard. His car was found in the middle of the Mississippi River Bridge, with the engine running. Thirty-five days later, Dr. Wiley's body was fished out of the river, 300 miles south of where he vanished. No arrests, no suspects.
November 23, 2001: Dr. Vladimir Pasechnik, a former microbiologist for Biopreparat, the Soviet biological-weapons production facility, was found dead of a reported stroke in Wiltshire, England. Dr. Pasechnik defected from the Soviet Union in 1989. His revelations about the Soviet Union's production of such biological agents as anthrax, plague, tularemia and smallpox provided an inside account of one of the best kept secrets of the Cold War.
December 10, 2001: Dr. Robert M. Schwartz was found stabbed to death by an intruder in Leesburg, Virginia. Dr. Schwartz was a well-known DNA sequencing researcher. He founded the Virginia Biotechnology Association where he worked on DNA sequencing for 15 years.
December 14, 2001: Microbiologist Set Van Nguyen, a 15 year employee at the Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization's animal diseases facility in Geelong, Australia. Nguyen, 44, appeared to have died after entering an airlock into a storage laboratory filled with nitrogen. Colleagues consider his death extremely suspicious.
February 8, 2002: The head of the microbiology sub-faculty of the Russian State Medical University, Victor Korshunov was found dead of blunt trauma head injuries in the entrance of his house in Moscow. No arrests, no suspects.
February 16, 2002: Dr. Ian Langford was found dead at his blood-spattered and apparently ransacked home. Langford was a Senior Fellow at the University of East Anglia's Center for Social and Economic Research on the Global Environment (UK), was discovered by police and ambulance men. The body was naked from the waist down and partly wedged under a chair. No arrests, no suspects.
February 27, 2002: Dr. Tanya Holzmayer, a pioneering scientist, murdered by a former colleague, Guyang Huang. He shot her when she opened her front door of her Mt. View, California home. Mr. Huang then conveniently killed himself. Both were found shot to death, case closed. The only witness was a pizza delivery man who worked for a non-existent pizza place. Dr. Holzmayer was a former Russian genome scientist who had co-invented a tool that has helped find hundreds of molecular targets to combat cancer and HIV.
March 24, 2002: David Wynn-Williams, an award-winning microbiologist died when he was struck by a vehicle while out jogging. Considered one of the world's top biologists, Wynn-Williams had assessed the capability of microbes to adapt to environmental extremes, including the bombardment of ultraviolet rays and global warming.
March 25, 2002: Denver, CO, Dr. Steven Mostow died in a small plane crash. Dr. Mostow, 63, was one of the country's leading infectious disease experts and was Associate Dean at the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center. Mostow was an expert on the threat of bio-terrorism. No cause of crash determined.
July 17, 2003: Microbiologist Dr. David Kelly, 59, was found dead after seemingly slashing his wrists near his home in England, days after being named as the Iraq dossier mole. An investigation into the circumstances surrounding his death continues. Dr. Kelly was Britain's leading expert on Baghdad's weapons programs, and one of the world's most renowned microbiologists.
October 11, 2003: West Nile researcher, Dr. Michael Perich, 46, died in a one-vehicle car accident. From 1986 to 1992, Perich worked at Fort Detrick in Frederick, Md., as the vector suppression program manager and research medical entomologist. The anthrax used in the US attacks originated at Fort Detrick.
November 2, 2003: Vladimir Pasechnik defected from the Former Soviet Union to Great Britain while on a trip to Paris. He had been the top scientist in the USSR bioweapons program, which is heavily dependent upon DNA sequencing. In the last few weeks of his life he had put his research on anthrax at the disposal of the British and US governments, in the light of the threat from bioterrorism. The cause of the death was certified as a stroke. But it has emerged that a pathologist attached to MI5, Britain's internal security service, examined the body. His findings are not known. "There are a number of nerve agents that can mimic a stroke and leave no traces," said Dr. Leonard Horowitz, a US specialist in the field of toxic poisons.
November 20, 2003: Robert Leslie Burghoff, 45, a postdoctoral fellow at Baylor College of Medicine's molecular virology and microbiology department in Houston, was walking to his car Nov. 20 when he was hit from behind by a white or light-colored cargo van that jumped the sidewalk in the 1600 block of South Braeswood. He was killed instantly, no arrests, no suspects.
January 19, 2004: Dr. Robert E. Shope, one of the world's top experts on viruses and infectious illnesses, died in Galveston. The cause was listed as complications of a lung transplant In the last two years, Dr. Shope worked on a Defense Department project to develop antidotes to viral agents that terrorists might use.
January 24, 2004: Michael Patrick Kiley, one of the world's leading microbiologists and an expert in developing and overseeing multiple levels of biocontainment facilities died of a massive heart attack. He was at the forefront in the early studies of Lassa fever, the Ebola virus and mad cow disease while at the Centers for Disease Control in Atlanta, Ga.
(strangely, both Dr. Shope and Dr. Kiley were working on the lab upgrade to BSL 4 at the UTMB Galveston lab for Homeland Security. The lab will house some of the deadliest pathogens of tropical and emerging infectious disease as well as bioweaponized ones. They died in the same week.)
March 11, 2004: Vadake Srinivasan, originally from India, was one of the most-accomplished and respected industrial biologists in academia, and held two doctorate degrees. He died in a mysterious single car accident in Baton Rouge, La.
May 14, 2004: Dr. Eugene F. Mallove, 56, died after being beaten to death during an alleged robbery. Dr. Mallove had a broad experience in high technology engineering for government agencies and the military at companies including Hughes Research Laboratories and MIT.
June 16, 2004: William T. McGuire , 39 , of Woodbridge, N.J. His dismembered body was found floating in three suitcases in the Chesapeake Bay last month. McGuire was a senior programmer analyst and adjunct professor at the New Jersey Institute of Technology in Newark.
NOTE: It does not matter what the individual circumstances of each death are. Probably a couple of these deaths are innocuous. The insurance industry uses scientific tables to accurately predict death rates. Based on the 1997 CSO Mortality Tables, the odds that all of these men could collectively die during a 30 month period is a staggering 14,000,000,000:1
This makes it logically impossible for any reasonable person to deny that the world's leading microbiology researchers are being murdered, beginning with the anthrax attacks thru last month.
The question is why are they being killed, and by whom? - DoobieWheel, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3"Trying to pacify the city after news of the foiled JFK plot, Mayor Michael Bloomberg rattled some nerves instead of calming them when he told worried New Yorkers to "get a life" Monday." "There are lots of threats to you in the world. There's the threat of a heart attack for genetic reasons. You can't sit there and worry about everything. Get a life.... You have a much greater danger of being hit by lightning than being struck by a terrorist."
I like the common sense of this guy - planarian, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4Well said. Unfortunately, most people in this country do not think for themselves. Rather, they allow themselves to be taken in by political rhetoric.
- msoule, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Agreement on the Fort Dix thing. How stupid can you possibly be than to imagine that attacking a US military base would have a successful outcome? I drive onto our local bases for contract IT work now and then and I am pretty sure I wouldn't get time to fully draw a weapon before someone capped me. Not even getting into the fantasy of peacefully exiting the base after there has been a shooting...
- nepawoods, on 10/11/2007, -4/+6It's under technology > security. Bruce Schneier (the author) is a leading figure in the computer security field, with generally very sensible views on all manner of security issues.
- nepawoods, on 10/11/2007, -4/+6I think he's just suggesting that when some bumbling idiots with a lame idea are prodded by undercover agents into taking some ineffective action, we shouldn't freak out like Lex Luthor just arrived.
- generalloy, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2"What I mean is that the terrorist cell that did the 1993 World Trade Center Bombing was composed of a bunch of losers, but they apparently succeeded in getting themselves noticed by people who had serious credentials. The result? Ramzi Yousef, expert bomb-maker, comes to the US and manages to pull off what could have been an extraordinarily devastating attack."
The FBI knew about it. Yousef recorded himself talking with the FBI to use fake explosives, but the FBI didn't follow through. - live52, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Hello OB,
You were discussing the anthrax scare and few days ago and I agree with you on who the perp was. Just wanted to be sure you see this story. You seem to get around and it has been out there for a while so maybe you've seen it. Keep the faith. We may see the bastards hang before this is all over with.
July 2004:
Are The World's Top Microbiologists Being Murdered?
The first anthrax attacks were reported in the US on October 19, 2001. Since then, the world's leading experts in the field of microbiology have been dying, most under extremely suspicious circumstances. Here are some details of the most significant 20 such deaths:
November 12, 2001: Dr. Benito Que, a cell biologist working on infectious diseases, was found beaten to death outside his laboratory at the Miami Medical School. No arrests and no suspects.
November 14, 2001: Dr. Don C. Wiley was one of the world's most highly renowned biochemists who worked at Harvard. His car was found in the middle of the Mississippi River Bridge, with the engine running. Thirty-five days later, Dr. Wiley's body was fished out of the river, 300 miles south of where he vanished. No arrests, no suspects.
November 23, 2001: Dr. Vladimir Pasechnik, a former microbiologist for Biopreparat, the Soviet biological-weapons production facility, was found dead of a reported stroke in Wiltshire, England. Dr. Pasechnik defected from the Soviet Union in 1989. His revelations about the Soviet Union's production of such biological agents as anthrax, plague, tularemia and smallpox provided an inside account of one of the best kept secrets of the Cold War.
December 10, 2001: Dr. Robert M. Schwartz was found stabbed to death by an intruder in Leesburg, Virginia. Dr. Schwartz was a well-known DNA sequencing researcher. He founded the Virginia Biotechnology Association where he worked on DNA sequencing for 15 years.
December 14, 2001: Microbiologist Set Van Nguyen, a 15 year employee at the Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization's animal diseases facility in Geelong, Australia. Nguyen, 44, appeared to have died after entering an airlock into a storage laboratory filled with nitrogen. Colleagues consider his death extremely suspicious.
February 8, 2002: The head of the microbiology sub-faculty of the Russian State Medical University, Victor Korshunov was found dead of blunt trauma head injuries in the entrance of his house in Moscow. No arrests, no suspects.
February 16, 2002: Dr. Ian Langford was found dead at his blood-spattered and apparently ransacked home. Langford was a Senior Fellow at the University of East Anglia's Center for Social and Economic Research on the Global Environment (UK), was discovered by police and ambulance men. The body was naked from the waist down and partly wedged under a chair. No arrests, no suspects.
February 27, 2002: Dr. Tanya Holzmayer, a pioneering scientist, murdered by a former colleague, Guyang Huang. He shot her when she opened her front door of her Mt. View, California home. Mr. Huang then conveniently killed himself. Both were found shot to death, case closed. The only witness was a pizza delivery man who worked for a non-existent pizza place. Dr. Holzmayer was a former Russian genome scientist who had co-invented a tool that has helped find hundreds of molecular targets to combat cancer and HIV.
March 24, 2002: David Wynn-Williams, an award-winning microbiologist died when he was struck by a vehicle while out jogging. Considered one of the world's top biologists, Wynn-Williams had assessed the capability of microbes to adapt to environmental extremes, including the bombardment of ultraviolet rays and global warming.
March 25, 2002: Denver, CO, Dr. Steven Mostow died in a small plane crash. Dr. Mostow, 63, was one of the country's leading infectious disease experts and was Associate Dean at the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center. Mostow was an expert on the threat of bio-terrorism. No cause of crash determined.
July 17, 2003: Microbiologist Dr. David Kelly, 59, was found dead after seemingly slashing his wrists near his home in England, days after being named as the Iraq dossier mole. An investigation into the circumstances surrounding his death continues. Dr. Kelly was Britain's leading expert on Baghdad's weapons programs, and one of the world's most renowned microbiologists.
October 11, 2003: West Nile researcher, Dr. Michael Perich, 46, died in a one-vehicle car accident. From 1986 to 1992, Perich worked at Fort Detrick in Frederick, Md., as the vector suppression program manager and research medical entomologist. The anthrax used in the US attacks originated at Fort Detrick.
November 2, 2003: Vladimir Pasechnik defected from the Former Soviet Union to Great Britain while on a trip to Paris. He had been the top scientist in the USSR bioweapons program, which is heavily dependent upon DNA sequencing. In the last few weeks of his life he had put his research on anthrax at the disposal of the British and US governments, in the light of the threat from bioterrorism. The cause of the death was certified as a stroke. But it has emerged that a pathologist attached to MI5, Britain's internal security service, examined the body. His findings are not known. "There are a number of nerve agents that can mimic a stroke and leave no traces," said Dr. Leonard Horowitz, a US specialist in the field of toxic poisons.
November 20, 2003: Robert Leslie Burghoff, 45, a postdoctoral fellow at Baylor College of Medicine's molecular virology and microbiology department in Houston, was walking to his car Nov. 20 when he was hit from behind by a white or light-colored cargo van that jumped the sidewalk in the 1600 block of South Braeswood. He was killed instantly, no arrests, no suspects.
January 19, 2004: Dr. Robert E. Shope, one of the world's top experts on viruses and infectious illnesses, died in Galveston. The cause was listed as complications of a lung transplant In the last two years, Dr. Shope worked on a Defense Department project to develop antidotes to viral agents that terrorists might use.
January 24, 2004: Michael Patrick Kiley, one of the world's leading microbiologists and an expert in developing and overseeing multiple levels of biocontainment facilities died of a massive heart attack. He was at the forefront in the early studies of Lassa fever, the Ebola virus and mad cow disease while at the Centers for Disease Control in Atlanta, Ga.
(strangely, both Dr. Shope and Dr. Kiley were working on the lab upgrade to BSL 4 at the UTMB Galveston lab for Homeland Security. The lab will house some of the deadliest pathogens of tropical and emerging infectious disease as well as bioweaponized ones. They died in the same week.)
March 11, 2004: Vadake Srinivasan, originally from India, was one of the most-accomplished and respected industrial biologists in academia, and held two doctorate degrees. He died in a mysterious single car accident in Baton Rouge, La.
May 14, 2004: Dr. Eugene F. Mallove, 56, died after being beaten to death during an alleged robbery. Dr. Mallove had a broad experience in high technology engineering for government agencies and the military at companies including Hughes Research Laboratories and MIT.
June 16, 2004: William T. McGuire , 39 , of Woodbridge, N.J. His dismembered body was found floating in three suitcases in the Chesapeake Bay last month. McGuire was a senior programmer analyst and adjunct professor at the New Jersey Institute of Technology in Newark.
NOTE: It does not matter what the individual circumstances of each death are. Probably a couple of these deaths are innocuous. The insurance industry uses scientific tables to accurately predict death rates. Based on the 1997 CSO Mortality Tables, the odds that all of these men could collectively die during a 30 month period is a staggering 14,000,000,000:1
This makes it logically impossible for any reasonable person to deny that the world's leading microbiology researchers are being murdered, beginning with the anthrax attacks thru last month.
The question is why are they being killed, and by whom? - msoule, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1The idea is to catch them before they gain the expertise. Is it easier to pull a sapling from the ground our to cut down a mighty tree?
- DoobieWheel, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2"Trying to pacify the city after news of the foiled JFK plot, Mayor Michael Bloomberg rattled some nerves instead of calming them when he told worried New Yorkers to "get a life" Monday."
I like the nerve of this guy - ScreaminIke, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1if by liberal propaganda, you mean good security advice, then, sir, it is sad that you politicize and divide this country as you do. as for me, i will consider the opinions of experts.
- GMorgan, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3The point is that:
1. All foiled terrorist plots have been foiled by traditional investigative techniques. The infringements on freedom have achieved nothing.
2. Giving up freedoms for a terrorist plot that couldn't have succeeded even if ignored is insane.
All the arguments in favour of giving up freedoms are non sequiturs. There is no evidence that they are successful, there is no sound argument in their favour. It is merely a ***** dogma. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2I think some people need to watch more Monkey Dust.
- msoule, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1@Moocat
Does a violent act need to be successful in order to be considered terrorism? True the line has been blurred but insane people tend to be less ideologically focused than what we consider to be terrorists. The belief in a cause is the dividing line between someone like the Virginia Tech shooter and Timothy McVeigh. - floorman56, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2You have a greater chance being struck by lightning than being killed by a terrorist" - Bloomberg
Just means they haven't killed enough to "Beat the curve"
That ends the day they cap a nuke in NYC - GMorgan, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Why are the IRA an issue, that conflict finally seems to be dying, going around locking up IRA terrorists would just flare it up again. Personally I'd just give NI the right of succession and let them decide for themselves. Simple solution to a simple problem.
- bshock, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1In the country of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.
In this country of the manipulative psycho fear-mongers, rational men like Mr. Schneier are heroes. -
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