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- orientis, on 10/11/2007, -26/+398While Norton is one of the worst pieces of antivirus software available, it is not a virus. The best identifying trait of a virus is self-replication.
When I worked in Tech Support I hated Norton with a passion. The following is a common call:
Me: So you can't get your email or browse the net? Hmm.. You seem to be connected from our end, let's do some tests.
(ping domain - works fine, ping IP - works fine, telnet domain - nuh-uh)
Me: Ok it seems that your connection is working fine but something on your computer is blocking ports. Do you have Norton System Works installed?
Them: Yes.
Me: Ok, I'm gonna need you to disable Norton completely.
Them: But then I might get a virus!
Me: You have the choice of never getting a virus or being able to access the internet. Up to you.
Them: Ok it's disabled and it still doesn't work.
Me: Oh dear, looks like Norton has a corrupted install. You're going to need to uninstall that program completely or I cannot help you any further.
Them: How do I do that?
Me: I'm sorry, we do not provide support for third-party software. You will need to refer to Norton.
Them: Whine, whinge, complain, bluster.
Me: Thanks, call us back when that's done. *click* - greenspans, on 10/11/2007, -28/+188It does replicate. Most new computers are infected with it even if the buyer didn't ask for it. It tricks computer manufactures install it via marketing techniques and commission with bulk 1:1 hard drive copies. When a person orders a new comp they knew about the computer specs, and the OS, but they didn't know they'd be getting Norton and they're not confident enough to uninstall it, and it uses scare tactics just like bank or ebay phisings to get your credit card number.
- cactus476, on 10/11/2007, -6/+127"Install ClamWin and FreeAV"
The last thing you ever want to do is install two AVs on the same system. - uncleLeo, on 10/11/2007, -5/+100gotta agree with you, i took an electrical engineering class on reverse engineering viruses, first day we learned that a virus is a program that "self-replicates"
the symptoms the website describes classifies norton more as "malware" - Gizza, on 10/11/2007, -2/+84@cr00kie (#7239570)
Norton doesn't actually stop viruses. It just bogs your machine down so much so that when you get a virus you can't tell the difference. - banthis, on 10/11/2007, -11/+92Dugged for "This site was designed for Firefox for best results. Internet explorer is virus friendly and a lot slower than firefox."
xD - Cr00kie, on 10/11/2007, -4/+71And this is new to people? I thought everyone knew Norton was a P.O.S.; even Norton.
- XedLos, on 10/11/2007, -2/+64Im pretty sure my computer would be running a lot faster with viruses than if i had Norton installed
- benitojuarez, on 10/11/2007, -3/+49I hope this guy knows symantec also owns sygate.
- JimV, on 10/11/2007, -2/+46Haha...I used to work for Norton tech support before they outsourced it to a different company. People would call in who got Norton Internet Security preinstalled on their machine, and 9 times out or 10, it would block their internet access. Usually it would be because they clicked "block" when asked whether or not to grant IE or AOL access to the net. Sometimes it would be because Norton Internet Security didn't uninstall right and left it's network drivers installed, and without the program to control the drivers, the network just got hosed up.
The worst part of those calls was that we were supposed to charge the customer 29.95 for support calls. Imagine that...some POS program comes loaded on your computer, f's up your internet access through little fault of your own, and you have to pay to get it fixed/removed. I almost never actually charged people the fee. Got me in hot water with management, but at least I still have my soul. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -3/+43Interestingly enough, Symantec's corporate AV solutions are damn good!
There is no wasteful eye candy and stupid animations and crap, just a nice lean scanner which does a fine job while not impacting performance much at all, and certainly nowhere near as much as the 'suites' out there like Norton, McAffee, Trend etc etc etc.
I recently set up a bank's new computer system (based on server 2003) and I was dreading when their tech guy was to come up and do the final things as that included virus protection and their documentation listed symantec, however when I saw he was installing the corp AV software rather than the ***** norton branded stuff I thought he was going to use, I was greatly relieved.
I use Avast myself, and have found it to be a great (and free) scanner, and able to delete infections that many other free AVs won't touch (the boot time scan is great too). - icantseeyou, on 10/11/2007, -4/+43Mcafee is worst... I still cant get it off one one my computers.
- houndeyex, on 10/11/2007, -6/+44Sygate Personal Firewall was the ***** until Symantec bought them. ***** you Symantec.
- acoot, on 10/11/2007, -2/+34To uninstall norton, one needs the norton antivirus removal tool. That tells all.
- cryptomystic, on 10/11/2007, -3/+30NOD32 is the best.
Go buy it or download if you must. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -5/+32@orientis
Let me guess, you were one of those Tech Support people that told new computer users and grandparents to reformat their computer because they can't get online. - timo1023, on 10/11/2007, -6/+33What's a virus?
- prab, on 10/11/2007, -2/+29Overall, yes, but ClamWin only scans your system when you tell it to. It does not have an active scanner, so cannot conflict with others. To be really safe, you could run the portable version from a flashdrive.
- kethraal, on 10/11/2007, -1/+27"NOD32 is the best."
You know, a decade ago, I might have thought you were singing the praises of Connectix....
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(realizes that this joke may be over the heads of some of the diggers here, goes to his rocking chair, and shouts "Damn kids, get off my lawn.") - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -2/+25Same with Drive Image (I think thats what it was called).
Symantec is like Corel, they turn the products from EVERY SINGLE acquisition into total *****!!
I still can't understand how Corel was able to ***** up Paint Shop Pro 10 and 11 so god damn much compared to the great editor that PSP 9 is! - Gunite, on 10/11/2007, -0/+22it's just symantics.
- Felbane, on 10/11/2007, -0/+22You have a few good choices.
NOD32 (http://www.eset.com/): Not free, but it's a damn good program. It's lightweight and after the initial setup will stay out of your way until a problem is found. It might also be acquirable by less moral means.
Avast! (http://www.avast.com/): Free, sleek, pretty, and fairly low resource intensive.
AVG Antivirus (http://free.grisoft.com/doc/1): Also free and decent with resources. Frequent updates, great scanning tools, etc. - dunezone, on 10/11/2007, -2/+22As much as I hate Norton AV or Norton Internet Security, the more people who choose to leave the program on the better chances of them calling me to fix the problems it causes. Usually I will install one of the free AV programs such as AVG for them since its free and does a decent job.
My other beef is with Symantec Corporate, its not a resource hog when it runs in the background. What I hate is how college campuses make their students use that program with settings that cant be changed. For example the last machine I looked at, Symantec was set to scan at 3 in the afternoon and I couldn't set it to later or earlier in the morning when they didn't use the machine. - psxman, on 10/11/2007, -2/+20From: banthis
>Dugged for "This site was designed for Firefox for best results. Internet explorer is virus friendly and a lot slower than firefox."
You've just verbed a word that was already a verb. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+18Didn't windows defender identify norton as a virus a few months back?
- gravis86, on 10/11/2007, -1/+19I don't know what it is, but every time someone mentions having AOL on their computer as a good thing, my mouse moves over to the thumb-down button all by itself.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -2/+182 Anti-spyware apps is fine, actually preferred, but running 2 AVs is just stupid considering how they'll fight each other as soon as and infection is found.
- FeartheKnighted, on 10/11/2007, -3/+19And symantec is the devil.
- MoebiusStrip, on 10/11/2007, -9/+24who the hell would install 2 AV apps, and 2 Antispyware apps at the same time?
- adeadwaffle, on 10/11/2007, -1/+15@quazywabbit
http://antivirus.about.com/od/macintoshresource/Macintosh_Viruses_and_Mac_Virus_Resources.htm
There actually ARE Mac viruses. - Pause, on 10/11/2007, -0/+14Yes. It's true.
- xyphur, on 10/11/2007, -1/+15NOD32 > every other Windows AV product
...you know, should you actually need/want that sort of protection... - TheJas, on 10/11/2007, -1/+15So can someone tell me what type of anti-virus software should be used. Honestly, I have always had Norton, read that it sucks, but never known what was better.
- alexf, on 10/11/2007, -3/+17You and Bill Gates.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -1/+14Avast, AVG, AntiVir etc etc etc. Pretty much anything is better than norton, even not having a scanner at all.
A virus will not corrupt and slow down your system anywhere near as much as NAV will. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -11/+24What, and run that wonderfully secure Safari browser??
- Szandor, on 10/11/2007, -1/+13I believe NOD32 goes deeper than just anti-virus, such as rootkits and other more aggressive malware.
- xyphur, on 10/11/2007, -3/+15Google a comparative between NOD32, Avast!, AVG, and a few of the other top commercial products and you'll know why NOD32 is the best. It scored better in every test they put it through than any of the others. It also helps that the scan engine is based on eset's technology previously employed to protect commercial mainframes of various types (or so I've read).
You didn't hear it from me, but I've been told there there is apparently this search engine called Google, and if you use it to search for "NOD32 FiX" you can use a perpetually-enabled trial installation of NOD32. Because the trial functions exactly the same as a full retail install, and only limits your duration of updates from the server, the 'fix' apparently changes a registry setting making your update subscription 16 million days long instead of 30. *AHEM* I wouldn't know though - I run Linux... - dacheetah, on 10/11/2007, -1/+13I'd normally digg-down the moment I read "I use" and "AOL" in the same sentance without a negative, but in this particular case, I know better.
AOL's anti-virus program is not AOL's at all, it's just Kaspersky with a AOL skin, and a big slash through the price tag.
Kaspersky has also scored highest on a few "independant" virus scanner tests in terms of detection rate, which is carried over into "AOL's" antivirus program as well.
If AOL had actually created it, I'm sure it would suck, but for the moment, it's not that bad a move. (However I take no responsibility if the AOL name corrupts your mortal soul upon installation of the software) - uncleLeo, on 10/11/2007, -1/+13i use avg free. i'd definitely recommend it.
http://free.grisoft.com/doc/1 - orientis, on 10/11/2007, -0/+12drahkar yes the internet security is bad and the system works is worse, but Norton Antivirus is still a major issue. About 40% of the email calls we'd take would just be Norton screwing up after the latest update - or for no reason at all.
- TheSmiddy, on 10/11/2007, -3/+14@getalifediggers
some browsers more than others.
I recommend Opera, security through obscurity is the only safe option these days haha. - andreusboy, on 10/11/2007, -0/+11Exactly the bread and butter every day at my former tech support gig...
Almost all of Symantec's home user security software is a bloated, disfunctional pice of malware that will automatically render your shiny new 3.2Ghz Core Duo system with 2 gigs of ram useless. - Four20, on 10/11/2007, -3/+14I was a big hater of Zone Alarm when I was in IT
- Burn, on 10/11/2007, -0/+10I see what you did there ;)
- orientis, on 10/11/2007, -0/+10Two spyware cleaners is kinda necessary. You'll find that AdAware and Spybot use different search methods and they find different warez. Not much chance of a conflict, except I think AdAware sometimes detects Spybot's quarantines as malware.
- TheSmiddy, on 10/11/2007, -1/+11if you actually read the article, he said to turn them off and replace them with free, light-weight alternatives, then he links to the sites you can download them from
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -1/+11lol they will say anything in a review they are paid to.
I just use Avira and spybot, dont use IE, and dont click on any "offers" - Szandor, on 10/11/2007, -1/+11Isn't there an age requirement to register for digg?
- alexforcefive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+10"To complicate matters further, viri is already used in Latin as the plural of vir, meaning "man" (thus making viri mean "men"). "
Agent Smith was right all along? -
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