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- zackz, on 10/12/2007, -5/+130How can a browser be safe if it 'requires' IE to run?
- Mousefinger, on 10/12/2007, -1/+49Hmmm...well, this would be interesting if true. I believe even Cnet has a story praising Browzar. Hmmm....the Cnet story does also look to be a vomit of the press release. Browzar people are quote as saying this:
' "We get revenue share from the (embedded) search engine (provided by Overture) and other products we'll be coming out with in the future," he said on Thursday.' "He" being one of the Browzar people.
I wouldn't like something directing me to a ”pay-to-click" search engine either, but then, I wouldn't use IE for much of anything to begin with (not that this couldn't happen to Firefox or Opera as well). I’m not so sure that’s “Spyware”, but maybe it is. It’s Friday and I started drinking at 9 AM.
/mouse finger - hansamurai, on 10/12/2007, -5/+47The public won't even use Firefox, why would they use Browzar?
- jawbreaker4fs, on 10/12/2007, -2/+41Mod up for drinking at 9am!
- cullenw, on 10/12/2007, -1/+29From the download page:
"System Requirements
Minimum requirement: Windows 98 Second Edition (SE): with Internet Explorer (IE) 5.5."
That should have been the first clue. - FreakTrap, on 10/12/2007, -0/+25"programmers" should be "programmer"...
I could re-make this browser in about 5 minutes with visual basic and photoshop. - Dawnspire, on 10/12/2007, -0/+23The morning really is the best time to drink, you have your hangover at night while youre sleeping! Then wake up and do it all over again.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+24Everyone I know (the vast majority of whom are NOT computer geeks) use Firefox. Tabbed browsing converted all of them.
If you use a computer on a REGULAR basis, and you're an average person, chances are that you use Firefox. It's the people who RARELY use computers (and who incidentally make up the majority of all computer users) who are the ones that stick with IE, for the simple reason that they don't care.
At least this is in my experience, and the people I associate myself with have very different backgrounds and experience with technology. - OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+18"How can a browser be safe if it 'requires' IE to run?"
I considered submitting this story, but as soon as I saw it ran on IE I knew it had to be some kind of crap. No self-respecting dev would claim to have made a "secure" browser by using the IE engine. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+20 Good point...
I'm staying with Firefox... - BitSlash, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15rkettner: This story is referring to an earlier digg story that heralded this browser as a secure and safe portable browser.
- AcidBath, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13All it is is a IE wrapper that turns the history off and sets a default search engine.
If you want a secondary browser for surfing without leaving a history or cache just download Portable Firefox (http://portableapps.com/apps/internet/firefox_portable) and crank up the privacy options. - samlo, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16It isn't search engine. It's advertising engine.
- Reap, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12And yet- the difference? Firefox gives you an option to NOT see their search when you start up.
- Nothlit, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12their? due? Looks like somebody slept through Homophones 101.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11My admins got pissed off that I had firefox installed. I ended up buying a flash drive and just load firefox off of it, there really is no slow down and there is no hassle on trying to get it to work without them noticing.
Also, with firefox I can set the connection settings to whatever I want, so I just set it to what the admins use and now I have unrestricted internet! (can you believe they blocked digg! Apparently "bulletin boards" are not allowed) - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11I'm forced to use IE at school. Some kids found a way to install Firefox on the school computers, but the admins frown upon that practice greatly. Outside of this, everyone I know uses Firefox.
- noamsml, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11I don't think it was ever open source.
- OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10"and i finally got them to install php, and hopefully mysql soon"
And then you plan to hack them? :) - Xiol, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9It's not open source and uses IE for rendering.
- techbum, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11Want a secure browser? Try the Ubuntu based VM using the VMWare Player.
1) Download and install VMWare Player (http://www.vmware.com/products/player/) free.
2) Download the Browser Appliance VM (http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/directory/browserapp.html) and run it using the VMWare Player.
From the VM's description:
"The Browser Appliance allows users to securely browse the Internet using Mozilla Firefox. Run the Browser Appliance with VMware Player to:
* Protect Against Adware and Spyware: Users protect their PCs against adware, spyware and other malware while browsing the Internet with Firefox in a virtual machine. The Browser Appliance leverages virtual machine isolation capabilities to prevent malware downloaded in the browser from propagating to the normal desktop.
* Safeguard Personal Information: The Browser Appliance can be configured to automatically reset itself after each use so personal information is never stored permanently. " - Xiol, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9I've complained about the article in an attempt to educate whoever posted it.
Please help to do the same:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/newswatch/ukfs/hi/feedback/default.stm - madinga, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Even the BBC has picked up on it - and its now listed as one of their "most popular" stories
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/5305250.stm?ls
It doesn't suprise me, the guy behind it started Freeserve, which was another rubbish company. Also AKQA, although I always thought they were an okay agency. Mind you, I think his greatest skill is marketing vapour - samlo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8what do you think about Stealther extension - https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/1306/ ?
- lowerlogic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8I'm sorry, but with a name like 'Browzar' I just can't take it seriously, nevermind use it! The name itself looks like a 2nd grader's spelling mistake.
- razei, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11They advertised it as a browser that completely private. All it is is a watered down skin for IE.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8I tried it just yesterday. I noticed right away that it was using the IE engine. It will not allow you to change your home page. So your stuck with its built in search page which no doubt is designed to make the browzar people a boatload of cash. Then by the design of their home page they try to pass it off as the latest web 2.0 offering. Its garbage. STEER CLEAR!
- mateja, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Where did they find such unscrupulous programmers to write this?
- madinga, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7And this is his site... he loves himself quite a lot
http://www.sosavvy.co.uk/ - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Don't confuse some random person's blog on CNET with actual CNET news content. I for one bury a story every time it links to a "blog" on CNET, because it's usually just the author trying to impress CNET and rank up in their list of "contributors".
- Xiol, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7*blatent top thread whoring, read before modding*
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/5305250.stm?ls
You can complain about this article here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/newswatch/ukfs/hi/feedback/default.stm
I have, and I'd like to see if we can make a difference. - davodavo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7@exabyte
www.portableapps.com - LecherousVenom, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Hah, this other story was posted a minute later....
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2010991,00.asp?kc=EWWKNEMNL090106EOAD
eWeek, of course, reprinting press releases.... - Bamborzled, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Remember, Microsoft once labeled the IE icon "The Internet".
- EyeDoc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5My favourite trick is deleting the IE icon on the desktop and replacing it with Firefox. I then put a shortcut for Firefox on the desktop and change the icon to the IE icon!
Some people seem to think that if there is no IE icon then they can't get the internet and I have found they don't 'trust'(!) the Firefox icon! - MikeyJW, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5
Yeah, and 4:45 of that would be using Photoshop, since the VB part would only take about 15 seconds. Just open a new project, drag the IE control onto the main form, click some properties to set the start page and disable changing it, then hit the Run button. - andersonmanly, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I knew it - crap.
- mark1372, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Intentionally misleading other people based on questionable ethics is harm.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Oh, gee. None of us saw that coming. Durrr.
- fatdog789, on 10/12/2007, -6/+10In law school, everyone* uses...IE, even though the computers that you can buy through the university are preloaded with Firefox.
Why?
Because IE is familiar, and it's obvious that it connects to the internet. Firefox isn't. After all, what does a fox or fire have to do with the internet?
* except for the 3 or 4 people who were computer science majors or worked in technology fields before returning to school. - AcidBath, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Just had to comment and say thanks for turning me onto Stealther. I was looking for something like this about a year ago and had no luck. For a while I was actually using a batch script to swap out my history, etc. This is awesome.
Thanks again. - NtHammer, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7i convinced the admin at my highschool to install firefox and notepad++ :P
and i finally got them to install php, and hopefully mysql soon - 10scott10, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6somewhere where they needed alot of money
- motang, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Hmmm...I am not one bit suprised.
- Xiol, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4You can't change the search engine or home page.
Please tell me what's wrong with the Clear Private Data option in your Tools menu in Firefox. - Xiol, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4So you put software on all your PCs that you hadn't tested first (I'm not talking about corporate-style testing, just, you know... making sure you like the damn thing), AND you're not happy with Clear Private Data in Firefox?
Right. Nice one. - Filter, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3It's also worth noting that it uses IE's Active X control for displaying web pages. The idea of being cookie-less isn't true because it does temporarily store cookies in the IE cookie folder it just deletes them at close. I didn't do enough research to know if the history or traces were mixed with IE's settings.
- LecherousVenom, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Schier says he doesn't know anything about the product - he's only notated that it was released and quoted the press release. I don't think of that as an endorsement....
- noamsml, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6Not surprised. No IE shell is ever truly secure. Even if it wasn't full of *****, browsing to porn sites would fill your machine with ***** just like it does with IE.
- Ubermensch423, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3the point of complaint is that the description provided for the browser is disingenuous to the user. other than discreetly in the system requirements, they do not reveal the connection to internet explorer. the devs also do not reveal that the browser is limited in its capabilities by not allowing users to use a legitimate search engine. also, as someone pointed out earlier, the browser does leave a history on your computer. its not that the devs wish to make money that outrages people, its the fact that the devs are disingenuous in attempting to make money. firefox makes money, yes, but they also work to serve their users best interests and don't deceive users.
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