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- FuryOfThor, on 06/24/2008, -45/+187I would never wish a virus on anyone, but I have gotten pretty tired of Mac users bragging about the invulnerability of Macs to infiltration. The thing about it is, Macs until recently have simply not had the market share to justify an attack. Yes, their virus defense is also strong, but it seems relatively untested.
- InfernoBob, on 06/24/2008, -38/+133Glad I'm on Windows.
- inactive, on 06/24/2008, -20/+91You mean someone finally realized that it's worth the effort to create a virus for a Mac?
If anything, this is a big step for Mac.
Your product is gaining popularity! Congratulations! - BZKyle, on 06/24/2008, -8/+62You guys do realize you need to download and install this, right?
As long as you use common sense on any OS you can stay virus free... simple as that. - WiZZLa, on 06/24/2008, -18/+68Inaccurate, Mac's don't get viruses and OS X doesn't have security holes!
- inactive, on 06/24/2008, -0/+38Is our children learning? No, they isn't.
- UberNick, on 06/24/2008, -3/+41Is they?
- FutureGuy, on 06/24/2008, -4/+37I simply can't stand those Mac attack ads, especially after this http://www.macworld.com/article/132733/2008/03/hac ...
- Tufriast, on 06/24/2008, -20/+52This is NOT A VIRUS. This is a TROJAN. Big difference. This can't spread, and cannot be made to self-replicate. This just gives an outside user access to your rig. This is probably the only one out there so far that has even gotten this far.
- veriix, on 06/24/2008, -2/+33whoosh
- inactive, on 06/24/2008, -7/+38just wait until linux gets a userbase
open source viruses ftw! - NaCl, on 06/24/2008, -0/+28And you do know that most users have severe deficiency of common sense when it comes to using a computer?
- inactive, on 06/24/2008, -9/+37Nice where can i download it?
- invasi0n, on 06/24/2008, -2/+28Nothing's bulletproof these days. Just wait for Linux to take more market share and you'll see some similar articles on Digg's front page.
Those who truly believe that their OS is, and it will always be bulletproof are just naive fanboys. - cheeseplease, on 06/24/2008, -17/+42That's the downside of Mac getting more popular.
- GQCarrick, on 06/24/2008, -13/+36You are assuming most Mac users know anything about computers, they buy them for "ease of use" which for some people is "don't want to know how this works"
- RetlawST, on 06/24/2008, -4/+26The real argument was not about invulnerability, it was about over-all security. Despite it's flaws, windows Vista has done an fantastic job addressing security issues, but these are issues that BSD never had. There have been plenty of mac 'virus' before, but they just didn't spread that well because they couldn't do jack without root access. Until we fix ID-10T errors, no system will be flawless.
- InfernoBob, on 06/24/2008, -2/+24I'm sorry. I thought I could be sarcastic without having to put "/sarcasm" at the end of my post.
- peestandingup, on 06/24/2008, -20/+41Don't confuse those annoying Mac ads with regular users.
- virtualsnyper, on 06/24/2008, -2/+21It really is a shame when you have to point out sarcasm. It takes away from the humor. InfernoBob ... Dugg, sir.
- eldridgea, on 06/24/2008, -1/+20OS 9 had a smaller market share than OS X, but had way more viruses.
OS X is not impervious to malware - nothing is, but small market share is not the *only* reason it is secure. - Spuy767, on 06/24/2008, -0/+17Macs have never been buletproof, the operator has always ensured that.
- Arramol, on 06/24/2008, -6/+23Forgotten the Pwn to Own contest already, have we? Between OS X, Vista, and Ubuntu, OS X was the only one to be successfully hacked through a security flaw in pre-installed, first party software. Sure, Vista fell later because of a hole in Adobe's Flash player, but it certainly refutes the whole OS X invulnerability myth. And it did last longer than OS X. Oh, and for the record, my Vista machine has never had a virus. Some sieve.
- scoottie, on 06/24/2008, -0/+16you are 100% correct that a trojan is not a virus, but a virus can come in the form of a torjan
- batmanz, on 06/24/2008, -22/+36Buried for being inaccurate. We all know Mac's just work, they don't get viruses. Steve Jobs told me so, so it must be true.
- Albear89, on 06/24/2008, -6/+19I feel that. I don' even own a mac. (price to high), but some of the people on this site are a bit to touchy on the subject. with that logic am I to belive everyone who frequents a Subway is an ex 400 lb nerd?
- ciano, on 06/24/2008, -0/+13More 3rd party software.
- GQCarrick, on 06/24/2008, -2/+14A trojan is WORSE. A trojan can introduce viruses and other trojan variants such as denail of service attack trojans, or remote access trojans.
- FDDIcent, on 06/24/2008, -0/+12what high school did you go to?
My school just told us that if it burns when you pee go see a doctor. - slvrbullet87, on 06/24/2008, -25/+36Damn looks like macs arent bulletproof
- Firehed, on 06/24/2008, -1/+12It's a friggen computer - though, like with anything else, some people will take it to a level way beyond an unhealthy obsession. Some, not most.
- GQCarrick, on 06/24/2008, -6/+17Sounds like a Cult of Mac member.
- Arramol, on 06/24/2008, -0/+11Call it compromised then, the semantics make no difference. The MacBook Air comes with Safari pre-installed - the system, as Apple produced it, as Apple sold it, was successfully compromised, and faster than the Vista machine was. The whole point here is that the idea that OS X is made of magic and Vista is a "sieve" as you called it doesn't actually hold up.
- Auzy, on 06/24/2008, -2/+13Actually, BSD has nothing to do with it... Most attacks penetrate the very top layer of the system, which is all brand new, and all Apple. And what makes the situation worse is that all the drivers are purely apple as well, so they aren't as well tested as windows drivers. I would not be surprised if there were SERIOUS exploits in the wireless networking drivers, or even the USB drivers.
In fact, considering that our own Apple USB fax modem caused Leopard server to crash 5 times a day even at 10.5.2, I know, Apple's drivers are terrible. There was no good excuse for that. Apple only needs to support a very small subset of hardware, and their inability to do so properly meant we had to use our windows server as a fax server. If our Apple usb modem is crashing our server that easily, you have to wonder how much they tested their hardware?
And, their beta program is VERY expensive. So even less testing gets done.
Most hackers these days wouldn't target components like Apache as much (because they would be blocked by the router generally). So there is no doubt, after everything I have seen, that OSX may hide some very nasty security surprises. - Arramol, on 06/24/2008, -2/+12http://dvlabs.tippingpoint.com/blog/2008/03/27/day ...
OS X was successfully compromised through a vulnerability in Safari. Vista wasn't hacked until the next day when they allowed the use of third party software. Ubuntu was not successfully hacked.
And before someone tries to claim the MacBook Air fell first because it's the one everyone wanted, keep in mind that there was a substantial cash prize that decreased each day - $10,000 for the first day, $5,000 for the second, $2,500 for the third, so even if the MBA was the most desirable (debatable at best), it would still make the most sense to hack the most vulnerable machine first and win the money.
I'm not trying to be hostile here, but I'm sick to death of fanboys ludicrously exaggerating every flaw in Windows while pretending OS X is made of gold. It's an OS, people, not a deity to be worshiped! - ohplease, on 06/24/2008, -9/+19
Mac users are just as freewheeling with their downloads as Windows users, if not more so. - DrJohnson78, on 06/24/2008, -10/+19Thats Mactastic!
- GQCarrick, on 06/24/2008, -10/+19Probably because Windows users aren't egotistical pompous asses like Mac users are and Windows users aren't Naive enough to think that their computers are untouchable to viruses and spyware.
- redlantern64, on 06/24/2008, -1/+10If it's a computer...it's hackable. Period. It's succeptable to viruses and trojans. Period. Use what you like, and like what you use. But for Gods' sake, learn to surf safely on whatever platform you have. The best system protection software available lies between your ears.
- bradleyland, on 06/24/2008, -1/+10To be fair, this is the way that many, many successful Windows viruses made their way to hundreds of thousands of PCs.
Mac users who want to stop this exploit in its tracks can do the following:
Open finder and navigate to:
/System/Library/CoreServices/
Zip the file: RemoteManagement
Delete the original file. - gn0stik, on 06/24/2008, -1/+10Real work like doing mashups and mixing music, and organizing your mp3 library?
- Gudeldar, on 06/24/2008, -0/+9Most windows viruses are spread that way too. User interaction is the only way most viruses can infect a Windows PC especially one that is behind a firewall the same is true with linux.
In fact a Linux system would probably be the easiest to infect if you could trick the user into doing something stupid like logging in as root or executing a virus file with sudo. This is countered by the fact that there are far less stupid Linux users than Windows users. - inactive, on 06/24/2008, -1/+10Have I? Looking at your comment history, all you're doing is ridiculing people who confuse Virus with Trojan. Big ***** deal, get over it. You fail.
- lecturethis, on 06/24/2008, -5/+14Hi, I'm an infected Mac
- MacParrot, on 06/24/2008, -0/+8I disagree. Certainly early versions of XP as well as earlier versions of Windows had security problems. Only the most delusional would deny it. Microsoft has worked very hard on improving security for Vista and the record speaks for itself. I haven't heard of any massive adware/malware/TH/viruses on the scale of a few years ago with Vista.
I'm a Mac user (shocker I know) and even I'm tired of this argument. OS X, Vista (heck even XP), and Linux are only as vulnerable as their users make them out to be. Idiot users do stupid things and their systems get compromised. No one can defend against that and the new wave of attacks shows this to be true. Since they can't get to our data the old "break through the wall" way, they have switched to social engineering. Trying to get us to do it to ourselves.
So can please get over advertising meant to sell a brand? Can we get over old rhetoric and ill will simply because someone actually had the audacity to select some OS over the one we chose for ourselves? Any chance average Digg users can do that? - silveravnt, on 06/24/2008, -0/+8Thanks for the laugh. That made my day. :)
- gn0stik, on 06/24/2008, -1/+9Most viruses are open source, for any platform. They aren't released under license at all. All you usually have to do is write the payload.
- toekneebullard, on 06/24/2008, -0/+8"Don't confuse those annoying Mac ads with regular users." That's what annoys me the most. Plenty of Mac users are normal people, but the company that makes them chooses to represent themselves as douche bags.
- Otto, on 06/24/2008, -5/+12What? You mean that's not real? When every mac user I know is just like that douchebag in their ads?
Well... maybe you're right. - Gudeldar, on 06/24/2008, -0/+7No operating system is bulletproof not even Linux (although there are many who would deny Linux has vulnerabilities of any sort). There have been quite a few privilege escalation bugs that have been found in the Linux kernel the advantage Linux has is that everyone can see the code so anything a black hat can see so can a white hat.
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