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- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+84Not only did the NSA deny the Justice Department's lawyers, they also filed a Statement of Interest which effectively killed the Electronic Frontier Foundation's (EFF's) class-action lawsuit against AT&T.
Remember, the EFF lawsuit? That was the one where an AT&T whistle blower turned over documents to the EFF that showed AT&T volunteered to help the NSA (in the form of unrestricted access to their voice and data networks) in exchange for favors from the government.
Yesterday's USA Today article pretty much verify's the insider's claims. Too bad we'll never know, because the feds keep killing any attempt to look into the matter:
http://www.codebot.org/articles/?doc=9360 - DrunkPikachu, on 10/12/2007, -5/+69"I'm all for allowing the president to protect us. Only law breakers need fear this."
What you have to remember is that you can be one bill/amendment away from being one of these law breakers. - Durrok, on 10/12/2007, -14/+78Mrfoos-
I think there is some room in China for you. - o0joshua0o, on 10/12/2007, -4/+66"If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy."
James Madison - Eronysis, on 10/12/2007, -9/+67For all we know digging the article itself may be "terrorism" or an "obstruction of justice".
- mike_p, on 10/12/2007, -10/+66Mrfoos, in all seriousness, you are very naive.
- Saintlink, on 10/12/2007, -10/+66Vote Independant this November. No more Democrat or Republican nonsense. Both major parties have put up with this violating of our cilvil liberties.
- nogami, on 10/12/2007, -13/+64If this president is "protecting you", it's time to kiss your ass goodbye...
Happier now than ever that I don't live in the rapidly growing police state of America... - nul1, on 10/12/2007, -10/+53mrfoos: "I'm all for allowing the president to protect us. Only law breakers need fear this."
You are a moronic idiot. There is a reason search & seizure are allowed only after probable cause. It protects __YOU__, the non law-breaking average (moronic) citizen.
Let me ask, what are you hobbies (I'll leave that to your imagination what that could entail)? What if someone spying on you really doesn't like your perfectly legal hobbies, but they start to target you because of them, and because they were allowed to spy on you? Soon it won't be hard for that person (or government entity) to create probable cause for something to haul your ass in. If no one is monitoring you, they don't even know or care about you.
It is NOT that far of a slide down the slippery slope to get to that scenario.
If you don't think it's that bad, please move to China where it's actually codified into law that this sort of thing is okay. The rest of us that treasure our freedoms would like our vote to count more. - nedzalife, on 10/12/2007, -6/+48Is it just my imagination, or is the US government trying to pull off a dictatorship all in the name of fighting terrorism...
Remember folks, those weapons of mass destruction are all around us, and all civilians need to be wiretapped for their own protection. - andygravity, on 10/12/2007, -5/+46constitution -> flush -> swirl swirl swirl chug woosh
but what else is new? - gamekid, on 10/12/2007, -7/+44May God ***** bless terrorism, then.
- OrangeTide, on 10/12/2007, -2/+35It's pretty much a guarantee that all of us are breaking the law. The legal system is complex. Most of us only have an infraction level violation, but some of us have probably committed misdemeanors or even felonies without knowing it. The idea that "Only law breakers need fear this." basically is telling me that EVERYONE needs to be concerned about this.
- nbx909, on 10/12/2007, -4/+35wait what happened to checks and balances?
- elnerdo, on 10/12/2007, -4/+341. I agree absolutely.
2. What we need is a limit on how much money can be spent in a political election. This would solve the problem of the Democratic and Republican party completely dominating everything. They would no longer have the power of billions of dollars behind them. (I think the UK has a limit like this on amount of money spent on political election, and I'm pretty sure it works for them, because I think that their parliament is split pretty evenly between a large number (more than two) parties. )
There's also one other thing that needs reforming, as well. We need to completely outlaw lobbying. Not only should we outlaw it, any representative caught being bribed (As lobbying truly is) should be IMMEDIATELY removed from office. Corporate lobbying has gotten too far out of hand. Our country is a DEMOCRACY, it should NOT be ruled by companies!
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Corr0sive, it's people like YOU who are at fault for the terrible state of out nation. Apathy is death! - ViRaZ, on 10/12/2007, -3/+33CIA Agent: Hey, what are you doing?
Kid: Posting a comment on the internet.
CIA Agent: Positive or negative?
Kid: It will make people laugh, so I guess positive.
CIA Agent: Just making sure.
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Kid: Are you going to leave?
CIA Agent: After the comment is posted. - 7of7, on 10/12/2007, -2/+32This isn't just politics though. This is about the way that politicians and government entities are screwing with our ability to use our technology. Think net neutrality. You can use encrypted VOIP right now, but imagine if AT&T decides you have to use their phone service to use their internet capacity. This is all about technology and those of us who are technologically inclined must pull our heads out of the sand and realize that we are in the midst of a war to control the future of interconnective technology such as the internet, phones, etc.. I don't think we realize how much being connected to millions of people through the internet is a scary thing to governments who want to control how information, thus intelligence, is distributed.
- DVRDude, on 10/12/2007, -3/+33Qwest and T-Mobile refuse to cooperate with wiretaps and giving up phone records.
Earlier Digg entry on T-Mobile is here: http://digg.com/technology/T-Mobile_stands_with_Qwest_and_refuses_illegal_NSA_data_mining
Earlier Digg on Qwest is here:
http://digg.com/technology/Qwest_To_The_NSA:_Put_Up_Or_Shut_Up - cybercerberus, on 10/12/2007, -3/+31Oh, they're far too inconvenient!
- edrift101, on 10/12/2007, -4/+30Welcome to the New World Order - where the government does what it wants and if you disagree...you're a terrorist.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+24Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately
Great words by a great leader... look it up.... - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+26http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism
History repeats itself... - FunkyWitDaSysTm, on 10/12/2007, -6/+26this is so *****.
- elnerdo, on 10/12/2007, -3/+23All people are equal, but some people are more equal than others.
- 7of7, on 10/12/2007, -4/+21How long until we're no longer allowed to post stories about this to the internet? I hope people make this a big issue so that the aristocracy realizes that they have to put a stop to it.
- jabberwonk, on 10/12/2007, -3/+20Sorry Corr0sive - that's the attitude that just keeps those in power in power. Vote independent if you think both Repubes and Dems aren't what you want in leadership. The first step into getting a viable third party is to give one enough votes to make a difference. Otherwise, I hardly think the Repubs (or the Dems) will just say let's get rid of the 2 party system and go with all independents.
- lasermike026, on 10/12/2007, -4/+20It is time to bring the government to the carpet and get the impeachment process working. Then we need to got after the NSA and clean out their offices. We need to make sure that they do not have information that belong to Americans.
- drog, on 10/12/2007, -6/+22That's crazy. My democratic congressman and both my democratic senators are opposed to this and think it's criminal. How about you find out what your representatives think before you vote independent.
- EricTheGrey, on 10/12/2007, -5/+20pabster: "I'm sorry, but calling the guy a "whistleblower" is inaccurate. He's a LEAKER, exposing our national security secrets, and he ought to prosecuted criminally for his actions right along with the other LEAKERS who continue to expose the inner-workings of our most top-secret national security programs"
No, he is a whistleblower. The company he works for was breaking the law. The NSA doesn't get to dictate that law. These laws are designed to protect all of us, and while it has its flaws, it still needs to be upheld until such a time as the people decide said laws are in the wrong. THEN AND ONLY THEN may they be changed. A (relatively) small group of individuals does not get to make that decision.
EtG - Pile, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away, there used to be this concept of "principal". Many American citizens seem to have forgotten how this idea works.
Basically, you believe in a rule or ideal that you feel is in the best interest of all. Sometimes enforcing this "principal" isn't always convenient or beneficial, but ultimately it makes the world a better place. The whole notion of a person having "character" is based around adhereing to "principals" which don't waver when they don't always suit your personal interests.
Those that think it's ok to ***** on the Constitution and the Bill of Rights "in the name of fighting terrorism" have lost their way, lost their principals and lost their honor and character. It's a sad day when so many people can't see the forest from the trees.
http://BSAlert.com/ - Durrok, on 10/12/2007, -3/+18Congratulations laser, I think with those actions you just qualified yourself to be classified as a terrorist. Please ignore the black hawk helicopters and black SUVs that will be circling around your house momentarily.
- cphuntington97, on 10/12/2007, -16/+31outcome:
people on the left vote for a bazillion different candidates and parties
people on the right vote republican
or:
non-gop votes will go uncounted, AGAIN. Only in 2 elections have the exit polls been wildly wrong: 2000 and 2004. Gore would have won in 2000 if the Supreme Court didn't stop the recount and declare Bush president.
Try: Fooled Again: How the Right Stole the 2004 Election & How They'll Steal the Next One Too (Unless We Stop Them)
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0465045790/ref=ord_cart_shr/103-9304974-6043822?%5Fencoding=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&v=glance&n=283155 - miketrin, on 10/12/2007, -5/+19These liberal cry babies are going to be the ones saving your ass from the dictatorship that is slowly being put in place here in the USA.
George Bush: "If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier - just so long I'm the dictator." December 18, 2000 - http://www.newsgateway.ca/bush_dictator.htm
What is it called when you joke about your true intentions? - bacon_skoda, on 10/12/2007, -6/+19ok folks, if you haven't caught onto the pattern yet,NSA can overrule anything.
you think an independent or any non-gop can take office?
better ask the NSA.
they can now veto anything in the name of defense. - jbus, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16This isn't about spying on terrorists or suspected terrorists... This is about an administration, ANY ADMINISTRATION being able to declare itself above the law.
Exactly what is the problem with allowing for checks and balances to ensure our government isn't doing something it shouldn't be doing??? - bacon_skoda, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16you can get a warrant. a whole system was set up for this. nsa bypassed the warrant.
- edrift101, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15Isn't that part of net neutrality. You know the bill that's being pushed forward by corrupt politicians that sold their souls for a piece of the action.
- Spybot, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15if you have nothing to fear then I'm sure you won't mind sending your letters without envelopes.
- thevanillaspy, on 10/12/2007, -9/+21it is only anti-Bush in the sense that it is anti-breaking-a-basic-consitutional-right (under Bush's direction)
- loup, on 10/12/2007, -6/+17Part of the deal with political stories showing up in Digg is that technology and politics are becoming very intertwined. There may be a story that talks about how something happened and is tech related, such as NSA wiretapping and attempts at passing laws that would allow them to easily monitor VOIP traffic, and then there is a follow up story and another follow up story, and maybe those follow ups aren't really tech related, but they expand on information given in the original story. It's hard not to put those up here too. I'm perfectly happy with non-tech related stories showing up on digg, I think a politics category would be great.
At this point I think digg is less of a tech news website and more of a news website with stories that interest the tech community. - TenebrousX, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14That's an awesome quote
- taotehue, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13yeah, but they ended up killing Carnivore. (of course it probably runs under a new name) and also that kind of crap didn't help stop 911. yeah your right it is crap. and it doesn't catch terrorist.
the safest place is probably a police state. There are plenty left in the world, you are free to give up your liberties and live in one if you like.
"you guys should get some facts before you buy into"
you don't have any clue what the facts are. not even the congress and senate committees that know what is going on can get a straight answer. As far as it being liberal propaganda, even Arlan Specter wants to know if it violates the law. As far as your knowledge, well, sorry, you don't know jack. Maybe you should meet jack before you buy into police state propaganda! - taotehue, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12This involves technology. The NSA uses technology to spy on its people. this is a story about tech and how it is affecting the liberty of this country.
- Impetus, on 10/12/2007, -8/+17I voted for bush and now I'm very, very sorry I did. People I talk about this to don't think it's a big deal. Kind of makes me mad...
- jbus, on 10/12/2007, -5/+14Wake up people!!! It's going to be way too late, by the time people actually start caring about the impact of all this.
Apathy, not terrorism or war, will be America's downfall. - evilTak, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12They're collecting your information. Are you a terrorist? They're collecting my information without a warrant. I'm not a terrorist.
Why don't they just get a blanket warrant for every American citizen on the basis of suspected terrorism? Oh, right, because there isn't sufficient evidence or probable cause... - wrinkles, on 10/12/2007, -8/+17I wish all you blubbering pussies who cry about losing your civil liberties would do the least damn thing about it. Which of course is to VOTE out the republicrat bastards who are screwing us over. Yes, Republicrat, Demuplican, same animal. Have the guts to for once "waste" your vote on a Libertarian.
The Democrats are laughing their asses off, getting everything they want and being able to blame the Republicans. And both parties wipe their ass with the Constitution. - icexe, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10"Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." -- Hermann Goering
- TenebrousX, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13Investigating warantless wiretapping probably funds terrorism *rolleyes*
- cakefart, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11When they came for the mentally retarded, it didn't really affect me, so I didn't speak up.
When they came for the homosexuals, it didn't really affect me, so I didn't speak up.
When they came for the jews, it didn't really affect me, so I didn't speak up.
When they came for me, no one was left to speak up. -
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