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- ace11, on 10/12/2007, -27/+58I cant express in worlds my hate for myspace.
- ThinkFr33ly, on 10/12/2007, -3/+31Wow, the ignorance on this site regarding ASP.NET is quite impressive.
ASP.NET is a *great* development platform. I've architected applications that handle 20 million requests a day using ASP.NET, so performance excellent if you have a clue.
But performance is just one small reason to use ASP.NET. The biggest reason to use ASP.NET is the .NET Framework. It is one of the most robust and productive development frameworks you can use, and having it fully available to you in ASP.NET makes development of complex applications far simpler than with PHP or JSP.
So you get the easy of development of ColdFusion, the robust framework of .NET, and the performance of a ATL/COM solution... all with excellent separate of code and UI. Add to that the fact you can use VS.NET and you have the best web development solution available for almost any situation.
ASP.NET is awesome... I really suggest that those of you who are die hard PHP fans should at least check out ASP.NET, especially ASP.NET 2.0. You won't be disappointed. - Zjm7891, on 10/12/2007, -10/+38Digg-- Just because I hate the overuse of the term "AJAX" This has been around forever and a day in the form of DHTML! GAH...
Now watch me get buried for bashing the term AJAX.. - Zjm7891, on 10/12/2007, -8/+32I agree it would take WORLDS to express my hatred of it! =P
Words just do not cut it - rayde, on 10/12/2007, -5/+28start complaining about the slow crappy asp ;-)
- heymark, on 10/12/2007, -2/+22Because it's Myspace, silly.
- invader, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16ok, i'm a php programmer, but not so much a fanboy. one thing that i have noticed is that many /*not all*/ larger php projects tend to become more difficult to administer. php is improving and i can definitely see it taking more of a grip of the corporate market. i don't really like asp/vb web apps (and the entire .NET platform drives me up the wall). HOWEVER, i think for a site like myspace, it is a better choice for now. a good .NET programming team should be able to maintain the site more effectively than coldfusion.
i hope they will one day go to php, but at least for now, myspace might have 10-or-so percent less downtime - aegreen, on 10/12/2007, -5/+18And let the MySpace lambasting begin...
- endurablegoods, on 10/12/2007, -4/+17I'll give MySpace another 6-8 months... it will stay around, but will drop in popularity - by about 1/2. Murdoch and Company will pump all sorts of cash into it, but no one will be around to see what happens. I predict CNN/Money headlines will read something like: Lost in MySpace - Where'd Everybody Go?
- ricodued, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13invader: I mostly agree.
One thing I thought I'd ask is why does everyone associate ASP.NET with Visual Basic? There is C#, too, you know ;)
Seriously though, ASP.NET 2 (which I hope they're using, not 1.1) is a breeze to administer and develop for, more than I can say for PHP. Yuck. Not to mention the IDE for .NET is awesome.
Anyway, as a myspace user, this will be a HUGE improvement over the ColdFusion crappile they're using right now. Like, for example, not having to log in every couple pages.
Go ASP.NET 2.0, go! And/or PHP at some point. - kevbear, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11@invader
I'm a PHP programmer too.
I see it like the same thing as C in a way. There's so much you can do in C to be able to hang yourself.
In PHP there are so many little hacks, little features you can use to do things quickly and easily but with very little to think about maintaining it.
A language like Java, as an example, doesn't allow you as much to just hack around and get away with it, so in general you write more managable code.
What it all comes down to is having people taking the time to write code that is managable regardless of the language, which is possible, just some languages force you to do it and others don't. It's just all about not letting yourself forget about doing it just because the language forces you not to.
Good code comes from good coders, don't blame the tools :) - bkorte, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12Come on! You guys have GOT to be kidding me... I would love you PHP fanboys to give some GOOD reasons as to why ColdFusion is so "slow"...
And be objective... and don't say "oh, PHP is more powerful" - give some hard solid facts!
You guys are so bloody frustrating with your close mindedness.
You could build MySpace in 2 hours with LAMP? BULL.
BTW - MySpace has more fundamental problems than that it's written in CF.
Rant over, fanboys... Time to watch the negatives come! - cwings, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12Remove editprofile. from the begging of the urls and it will show you their new version. Myspace must be trying to expand customizibilty and in doing so will take down a good chunk of those 8 billion myspace editor sites.
- phatcactus, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14You're jokin', right? Do you have any idea how much money that site must pull in every minute?
- danielrh9, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9I see your view, but disagree on the merits of the importance. The scary thing about MySpace is that kids playing around with html on MySpace are our future designers. In all likelihood, they think that this is good design. Which is horrifying. Yes, MySpace is terrible, but it needs to improve so that it shapes all the young minds using it correctly in terms of web design.
- jimz, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13Finally, I can stop complaining about the slow crappy coldfusion.
- jimz, on 10/12/2007, -9/+17WHY NOT PHP?
- nullmind, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Interesting, because Windows uses BSD's TCP stack. Either way I'll stick with linux. (Oh, and you're not cool by using asterisks)
- anagoge, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Personally, I liked the story that was Dugg here a few weeks ago about someone totally customising Myspace. And doing a damn fine job of it too.
- live2die, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12lambasting....such a good word
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -14/+22I am proud to say I don't even have a myspace account :)
- sneakerelph, on 10/12/2007, -6/+13probably loose the caps... but yeah, PHP rules over ASP
- mrm52, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10obviously not!
But I agree, MySpace is garbage. - Brak710101, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Please, oh, please let this Myspace fad die!
The site sucks. I don't want to have to listen to someones crapy musicwhile viewing thier' half-***ed HTML and CSS editing on a profile that is down-right pointless. The people don't even use the blog feature, whats the point then? Sit in talk in the comment feature? Come on.
Like said before, great idea, horribly executed. - kejistan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7For those who actually give a damn about myspace, but don't have an account...
http://www.bugmenot.com/view.php?url=www.myspace.com
Yea, who this would be is beyond me, but whatever. - jribb, on 10/12/2007, -9/+15That's a pretty naive comment, to assume just because its Windows its going to be slow. Poor programming makes a site slow, no matter what platform is being used.
- Teague, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Very cool, good find.
- MrNate, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6MySpace already is running ASP.NET, and has been for a few months. Just because they write for ColdFusion doesn't mean they deploy on J2EE. The current MySpace site is deploying .CFM files on a .NET server.
Here's a hack for ya... http://www.myspace.com/Application.cfm -- a coldfusion server hack, the orange error tells us it's running a BlueDragon server. - CrimsonBlur, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9I have to agree with leperkuhn here, you can get much better performance with ASP.NET on large-scale Web apps than you can with PHP. No one is saying this specific instance is a showcase of that, however, since this is obviously still in development internally at MySpace and isn't meant to be used at all yet, hard to pass judgement on it because of that.
I almost exclusively use PHP/MySQL for development, but after messing around with MS Visual Web Developer 2005 for a while I have to say that ASP.NET using C# and .NET 2.0 is a very powerful combination, is a quick development platform and offers excellent performance for large-scale applications. You can advocate open-source and PHP all you want, I use it too, but that doesn't mean it's "better" for everything. - NWVG, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Actually MySpace makes barely in money in comparison to other big sites on the Internet. I think in 2004 or 2005 they only pulled in 47 million dollars, which is nothing when they get that much traffic.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Your Profile has not been upgraded to Profile 2.0. Save Cancelled.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -10/+16Worlds?
But yes, I also hate it. :/ - lollerskates, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Whatever happened to going out to rave clubs and meeting people by sharing some good ol' X?
- tom6a, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8MySpace is the #5 English language site by traffic
http://www.alexa.com/site/ds/top_sites?ts_mode=lang&lang=en
http://awis.blogspot.com/2006/03/myspace-taking-over-world.html
Digg happens to be #436 and climbing. - dognose, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5You said it. Since I host images for a bunch of myspace pages, I know exactly when, and how long the site is down. Some days, it's for hours, the whole site will be down. Most other days, there is a least an hour of 1/2 downtime. A site that big should take some notes from google.
- magnusdopus, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery
MySpace v2.0 http://files.tagworld.com/51882603ce069d9e4b71afb8e59f626c7104.jpeg = Tagworld 0.7
http://files.tagworld.com/96259120723adf784bd3943e6ad3608cb308.jpeg - phatcactus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"Sorry, this feature is down for repairs!"
No, it didn't really say that. But it will in the future. Because that's what Myspace does. It breaks. A lot. I've never seen a service so simple and so popular break so damn often. Is it really just that poorly thought out? - leperkuhn, on 10/12/2007, -6/+10ASP.NET has a lot better performance than PHP. I'm primarily a PHP developer, open source advocate. But in this instance, ASP.NET is a better solution.
- danielrh9, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Nice find. At least MySpace is at least attempting to take a step forward.
My main problem with MySpace is the graphical design. Or lack of it. It looks like the web circa 1998. Which would have been fine for then since the web was a relative "teenager" and we didn't know any better. But it's 'friggin 2006. Designers have learned how to make aesthetically pleasing in those eight years. All the poor design does is help propagate the immature ethos of the site. Look at DeviantArt. On the social aspect, it works in very much the same way as MySpace. But the credibility and ethos of the site is greatened by the spiffy design. And it works well even if the template is basically the same for all.
A complete graphical overhaul is the only way MySpace will truly gain much more credibility. - dognose, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Ok, so how do we upgrade our profile?
- cwings, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5people who dont care about myspace should be smart enough not to click something with the word myspace in the title then be dissapointed when they find out its about myspace
- mikeazorin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I hope this makes myspace a little bit faster, because page generation seems to go up to 3 seconds, just browsing.
- erikjernberg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Right now, Myspace needs to make changes like this and still reduce the amount of errors that are thrown. Errors happens way too much on that site - and it is was the constant errors that ultimately brought Friendster down. As long as they can make these changes and have it enhance myspace, the site will continue to be a success. If these changes make the site crash more often, then I am seriously concerned about them, long term.
I just think it is sort of funny that the best that they could come up with is just a form-based way to create the same old Myspace abominations that we see everyday... I understand the concept of letting people make any type of Myspace page they want, but some of the stuff I see on there is just - borderline scary! - DenZ88, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Looks nicer than that old garbage, but its still trash. Myspace makes my eyes bleed and thats unfortunate cus so many people are forced to use the worst webdesign layouts ever.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Mr. Nate is correct, the new site is running on ColdFusion markup, with a framework called FuseBox. The server itself is not the Adobe J2EE version, but New Atlanta's .NET version of CFM:
http://www.newatlanta.com/products/bluedragon/product_info/overview.cfm
If that makes any sense. I guess it's faster than the Java version. Strange deployment for the 5th most popular site, bought for $500 million by R. Murdock. - dognose, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Just because they use DHTML and javascript, doesn't mean it's AJAX. I believe it's just a standard submit form. no data transfer, thus not ajax.
- tehgp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4i just totally redid my whole profile using CSS.... and now myspace wants to go and change things and make things "easy". double yew tee eff, mate.
- happbando, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4now all they have to do is make it good. myspace = great idea + TERRIBLE web site. make it look like facebook, and maybe my friends' profiles won't be the only reason for me to have a profile.
- silorats, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6No - myspace is slow because of the massive amount of traffic they receive. Small part programming architecture - large part bandwidth.
- trip9, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4MySpace, taking the place of real friendship.
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