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- mykool, on 12/01/2007, -10/+87No honor among thieves.
- cliffski, on 12/01/2007, -61/+114is this torrent users moaning about stealing?
***** hypocrites - PrismSub7, on 12/01/2007, -13/+61Stealing != Leeching
- UncertainIntent, on 12/01/2007, -20/+59Directly from a site op...
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hello all i am the one of the Founders of MovieX.info aka ®ama
All these accusations against us has been brought to my attention as this has gone out of control and the post by p2pvine has disappointed me as their research has left out some key points .
Let me start off by saying, we are not leeching from any community or leeching from public members. After reading this you will see that our system is actually not set to leech but fairly setup as we are a private tracker site.
I will give you a quick breakdown of how our system works and a full response to p2pvine
The torrents posted on TPB are originally coming from our uploader on MovieX also a founder, he is known on TPB as loder.
He gets all content from a direct source and he then turns that content into a torrent file which is then posted on TPB with the pirate bay tracker including the MovieX Tracker including our site name which is a mere form of advertising.
Now remember he is SEEDING ON BOTH trackers the pirate bay one and our one. Now when someone downloads from the pirate bay, where do you think that brandwith and content is coming from? its coming directly from an uploader we have at MovieX as he made that torrent and posted it. He is using his own connection to seed to the PUBLIC AND PRIVATE MEMBERS. Is this considered stealing? If he is seeding to the public using a public tracker, i do not see how p2pvine came to the conclusion that we are leeching when clearly we are giving back alot
Your probably wondering why do you get "leeching forbidden, your only allowed to seed error?" Be advised that passkey which is a guest passkey and has a peer limit, when that peer limit is reached it will give you that error. We do allow downloading from that guest passkey but only up to a certain point, but due to the over growing demand you probably wont get a chance as too many peers are connected to that passkey. However you will still be able to download using TPB tracker
If we didn't have a peer limit on the guest passkey, members can leech like crazy and not even bother joining and ignoring all ratio rules....so therefore you will only be allowed to seed after you finish downloading
Now remember if you get a torrent from the pirate bay and you see the moviex tracker along with the pirate bay tracker, you will only be able to download from the pirate bay tracker, if your lucky and not many peers are connected to that our guest tracker you will also be able to download from the MovieX tracker, but remember that initial seeder is loder and i will repeat he is the main seeder of all that content he has posted .
The reason you don't get an error when the file is completed is becasue its only fair that you give something back to the site from where the content came from as you downloaded something which was originally posted on our website and then put onto TPB.
Remember any member that downloaded our content from TPB didnt even have to follow the ratio rules. They could just stop the torrent at anytime and still continue to download using the TPB tracker.
My response to p2pvines 2 questions
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1. Why does the MovieX tracker message suddenly change to working when you become a seed and are not registered at MovieX, surley it should stay as a Failure if it's mearly advertising.
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Its only fair that you seed back of what you have downloaded isn't it? , we aren't even forcing the public members to seed, its out of courtesy that any member that downloads a torrent should at least seed back something. Since we released our content to the public and since the original post came from our uploader on our site its only fair that you seedback on that passkey.
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2. If the external torrents are mearly advertising why can i seed into the tracker using only the MovieX url.
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As stated in my first post, its only fair that you give back something that you took, our uploader took the time to get the content, post it to the public AND USE his connection to SEED to the members off the public and private members. Please advise one private site which allows members off the public to get a taste of what they have?
Not all of our releases are posted public, if you like what you downloaded in the public area, simply come join us. We have alot more to offer.
The accusations of us stealing and leeching was disappointing to read, but if a uploader who uploads to private members and still has time to upload content to the public and uses his brandwith to seed is considered stealing then please tell me what isnt stealing? I would also like to point out that we have 4 x uploaders who are also uploading content to TPB and private members at the same time.
At one point our tracker was down, we had enabled free leech, at that time all of our members were using the TPB tracker to seed. let me point out, no other private site would allow this to happen as they like to keep everything secret. is this still stealing? Our private members were SEEDING to public members.
I hope that p2pvine puts out another blog that the first initial post of us stealing is removed and we get some damage control. We have been treated like we are some kind of government group as peerguardian has updated their blocklist to include us due to this review.. We are only trying to spread our content to members of the public so we can gain some good private members on the site.
Also our direct download does not INCLUDE selling torrents who ever came up with that concept has no clue on how we work, i urge you guys to stop believing rumors and come get the facts direct from us
I hope this explains all the blanks.
I would like to see what p2pvine has to say about this - adml_shake, on 12/01/2007, -10/+45Bastards
- scabbers, on 12/01/2007, -3/+35PS I just click properties on the torrent, and remove the moviex tracker entry.
- ChompTheMan, on 12/01/2007, -4/+27Looks like I need to get into a new habit of removing private trackers from publicly downloaded torrents. I hope a disgruntled, knowledgeable cracker takes down your server(s) for being such *****.
- kazamx, on 12/01/2007, -3/+24bollocks.
Yes you seed the torrent to start with. You then cut all uploads to the public and leech huge amounts of bandwidth for yourself. Overall you take much much more bandwidth out of the swarm than you put in. - carrtoonist, on 12/01/2007, -13/+33This is wrong and goes against what bittorrent should be about. Private trackers in general are ***** but this is much worse.
- xTRUMANx, on 12/01/2007, -0/+18In this case, with a site named moviex, I have a feeling the files being renamed in the video aren't linux distros...
- SonnyW, on 12/01/2007, -2/+20I can see anti p2p organizations exploiting this way to try and bleed torrents dry. The article pleads for Moviex to change their ways, but I'm not sure anything short of a change to the bittorrent protocol will do in this case.
- KnivesYouFag, on 12/01/2007, -5/+19There is a big difference between file sharing, and stealing for profit. The former is what users at Pirate Bay do, the latter would be MovieX. I'm sorry logic was not taught to you, my sensationalist pal.
- badassninja, on 12/01/2007, -7/+21Then your a bad person.
- sporg, on 12/01/2007, -3/+16You only upload from one source and block people from sharing the bandwidth of the rest of your users. You are doing exactly what the article says and dont try to weasel you way out of it.
- Salgat, on 12/01/2007, -15/+28Oh yeah, we all know Bittorent can only be used for illegal purposes.
- scabbers, on 12/01/2007, -7/+18Loder is the username of their bot that posts on The Pirate Bay.
- banmaster, on 12/01/2007, -5/+15Its NOT theft. Its copyright infringement!
If I steal your car you no longer have it, if I 'steal' a movie, YOU still have it, and I then have it too! - chedabob, on 12/01/2007, -2/+11Couldn't TPB and other public sites strip the MovieX tracker out of the torrents on upload?
- hadak, on 12/01/2007, -1/+10I noticed that tracker in a torrent the other day. Good to see some light shed on the subject.
- altrego99, on 12/01/2007, -3/+11I'd rather boycott it. From now on, I'll personally remove moviex tracker before starting my torrents.
Tip: If you are searching using torrentz.com, they have a list of trackers. Manually adding them increases the speed by leaps and bounds. No need to sign up for moviex - for all torrents which had moviex tracker I found a huge list of public trackers from torrentz.com. - BobCFC, on 12/01/2007, -0/+8I often see this error message in rtorrent:
[Failure reason "access denied, leeching forbidden, you are only allowed to seed"] - BobCFC, on 12/01/2007, -0/+7I just had a closer look an it was moviex! blimey
I figured out that you can disable trackers using * key on the tracker page in rtorrent - sporg, on 12/01/2007, -1/+8Me thinks that lots of spoofs and virus bombs will suddenly be uploaded for MovieX users. Very soon...
- sporg, on 12/01/2007, -1/+8Keel haul them!
- alexforcefive, on 12/01/2007, -0/+6That article didn't help your case at all. Moviex takes bandwidth from the community and doesn't give any back. How can there be another side to the argument?
- Genma, on 12/01/2007, -2/+8why the long story? you could have just said, you believe your tracker deserves free upload bandwidth because one of your members provided the source. debatable sure, but not an issue for me since I don't keep trackers that never connect on announce. imo advertising this way makes no sense, I would just use the torrent comments like everybody else, none of the private trackers I belong to do this. I remember deleting this address from torrents before, I used to wonder which lamer keep posting private tracker to public torrents, now I understand why.
- Crazyviolinist, on 12/01/2007, -0/+6Buried for being a leech.....and deserved crushed like the leech you are.
- kag9000, on 12/01/2007, -1/+7who cares?
- KnivesYouFag, on 12/01/2007, -1/+6Cool, tell us when you get banned for not making any donations.
- inactive, on 12/01/2007, -3/+8are you a retard. Its a bot. check out the number of ***** upload that thing has. no human even those that dont have social life are capable of filing so many upload.s
- inactive, on 12/01/2007, -0/+5*****
- MacSuxWindozSux, on 12/01/2007, -0/+5"If I steal your car you no longer have it, if I 'steal' a movie, YOU still have it, and I then have it too!"
Yea it's called sharing! - estydees, on 12/01/2007, -0/+5Then you obviously do not know how to setup your downloads.
- Skooma714, on 12/01/2007, -1/+6What if I want to get a game mod or a Linux distro or a patch from Blizzard?
- estydees, on 12/01/2007, -1/+5The fact that it came from them doesn't mean it should go against everything torrent sites have stood for.
- KnivesYouFag, on 12/01/2007, -3/+7Wow you can't make the distinction between ads on a site and a subscription? You are spectacularly dense.
- maexus, on 12/01/2007, -0/+4Actually, it does. If two people don't have their ports forwarded through their firewalls, they can't connect to either other. So if you have your ports forwarded but 75% of the swarm doesn't, you are missing out on those seeds bandwidth. You are forced to rely on the speed of seeders that have ports forwared, this can and will limit your speed. Some trackers also allocate download speed based on upload speed. The more you know!
- banmaster, on 12/01/2007, -1/+5Its NOT theft. Its copyright infringement!
- actorboy, on 12/01/2007, -2/+6I certainly don't make a distinction between $1 from ads and $1 from subscriptions. A dollar is a dollar, profit is profit.
- KnivesYouFag, on 12/01/2007, -2/+6Stealing to gain profit has always been looked down upon in the BT community.
- Rotzooi, on 12/01/2007, -3/+7***** THE MPAA! ***** THE RIAA! ***** MOVIEX.INFO!
- estydees, on 12/01/2007, -1/+4So you use 2 trackers and try to justify the fact through that? If guests can't download on this tracker then you are still stealing for profit.
- Tweekster, on 12/01/2007, -2/+5then you are in the minority and dont count
- adammharvey, on 12/01/2007, -0/+3what about the Pirate Code?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirate_code - Matt2k, on 12/01/2007, -7/+10Yeah. Because TPB makes no money from their site. What was your point again?
- Tweekster, on 12/01/2007, -2/+5multiple people can use the same account...
- daizaru, on 12/01/2007, -1/+4Wow, that's really lame. That totally defeats the purpose of bit torrent and for a private tracker to be the ones behind that.. it's just low. I hope that site gets what it deserves.
- kronix2, on 12/01/2007, -1/+4It's taking from the majority to help the tiny minority.
- KnivesYouFag, on 12/01/2007, -4/+6UncertainIdiot, would you kindly stop spamming both TF and Digg with your nonsense? You are copy pasting not only your own stupid rants, but now the very fault rants of MovieX itself.
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