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- binky79, on 10/12/2007, -8/+363 more reasons to use Firefox.
- phpirate, on 10/12/2007, -8/+30Internet explorer IS a vunerability that comes with windows.
- libbydib, on 10/12/2007, -7/+28Unfortunately, it probably will.
- GuineaPig, on 10/12/2007, -5/+26IE: Unsafe at any speed
- fitzdingus, on 10/12/2007, -2/+22and by his use of syntax, it seems that he does as well
- chicken101, on 10/12/2007, -4/+22Yes, but how long will it take to fix them? That's the good thing about firefox, not that it doesn't have flaws, it's that they are fixed ASAP.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -8/+22if they DON'T patch it fast, corp desktops WILL get screwed either way
- jinexile, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14On Average Mozilla patches high severity bugs in 57 days, Opera is 96 and Microsoft is 464.
- thekidder, on 10/12/2007, -7/+17I use caution on the web -- it's called Firefox.
- chaosmachine, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12only the third?
- ashevilletech, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12And 90% of the users don't know about Windows Update.
- rideagain, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12@battybattybatt: in fact, it has been my experiences that Firefox patches come quicker than IE patches. Compare the list of unpatched vulnerabilities listed on secunia: Firefox: 2, IE: 20
source: http://secunia.com/product/11/ and http://secunia.com/product/4227/ - tempusrob, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11Uh... no? It's beta ... if it's not on Windows Update, 90% of the Windows users out there don't know about it.
- mrASSMAN, on 10/12/2007, -15/+233? I have many more than 3 reasons..
- tempusrob, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9http://secunia.com/product/11/
Sounds like that's what you're looking for. - tempusrob, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Uneducated masses? Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out "Wow, *another* critical IE hole. This is pretty bad."
- dirtyfratboy, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11These IE vulnerabilities showing up over and over remind of the Ford recalls a few years ago that were on the news over and over...
- foolfromhell, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9They arent gonna admit to more than neccesary to keep the non-tech ppl happy.
- toekneebullard, on 10/12/2007, -6/+13Well, you don't have to worry to much about going to infected sites if you just uses the siteadvisor extension...
Oh wait...IE doesn't have extensions...nevermind.
I hated Firefox for a long time. Then I DL'ed it, stopped trying to make it like Avant, and learned just how much better it was. - Pentarix, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Ha, sounds like my friend. He would argue tooth and nail how much better IE was, then he downloaded Firefox one day and shut completely up about it.
- zouhair, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Go take a look at all security problems with IE 6 http://secunia.com/product/11/
amazing
compare with FF http://secunia.com/product/4227/ :) - darthmdh, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Strange, part of the EULA for IE7b2 reads:
"You may not test the software in a live operating environment unless Microsoft permits you to do so under another agreement."
which would seem to indicate that those "most people" you speak of are acting illegally.
That doesn't surprise me, considering Microsoft's illegal monopoly on the desktop environment was entrenched in part by the company turning a blind eye to these exact kinds of illegal acts... - Berkana, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9Would somebody do me a huge favor?
Every time news of YACIESV (Yet Another Critical IE Security Vulnerability) shows up, I try to convince my school and some of the businesses I've worked with to drop IE and switch to either Opera or Firefox, but the PHB's (Pointy Haired Bosses) running the show can't feel the heat, like a frog slowly boiled to death by gradually warmed water.
Somebody please compile a master list of IE vulnerabilities (and include a sub-section with IE's CSS bugs) including which ones have been patched, and which ones were broken even after the half-assed patches. I, and I'm sure many other tech savvy folks out there, would really appreciate being able to point the powers that be to a web site that exposes just how atrocious IE is and drives the point home so they'll switch. I'm sure there are enough IE bugs to fill many pages. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7
News Flash: IE7... its also vulerable.
IE7=same turd, just polished until you can see through the title bar. - longboarder543, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Even if every line of IE code has a critical vulnerability, we have to be getting close to the end soon.
- tmach, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6I agree, but then there are always people who will criticize them for hiding the problems if they don't go ahead and make the announcement.
Of course, there are already a couple of patches for this sort of thing... they're called Opera and Firefox. - hadak, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5In other news, water is now considered wet by 3 out of 4 leading industry experts.
- bort, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6Most people? That sounds like a lot!!!!
Though I doubt it considering how slow users are to upgrade, and that's excluding optional beta versions. - jinexile, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Closer to millions, unfortunatly people just don't know or care to go out and get a better alternative... luckly that keeps me in business. I charge $80 a pc to clean off viruses and spyware. I offer a long term solution which involves locking down the administrator for installations only, firefox, nod32, spybot S&D, a hardware firewall and an easy guide to avoid getting viruses and spyware from programs they download for $200. I hear back from the $80 people about two-three times a year, I've yet to get a call back from the people that take the $200 solution.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5remember to compare IE with this... http://secunia.com/product/4227/
- sporkwitch, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5And the rest of us just use firefox :P
- ryogahibiki, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5My question is, why does Microsoft announce such vulnerabilities BEFORE they have a patch to fix them? Doesn't this just invite malicious hackers to exploit these still open security holes?
- nzgizmoguy, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6Secunia link: http://secunia.com/advisories/18680/
- 1911wolf, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Wow... Shocking!
Look, you can bet good money that there are at least 50 other security holes in IE that will be announced before the year is out. No big news here, let's move along now. - aplardi, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4..... what will happen next? A fine company like Enron going south?
- zouhair, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Lol nice troll trigger but a little too much :)
- ZekeSulastin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3It gives people some time to fix them - by the time they're announced, the l33t h4x0rz know about them anyways
- constantine11, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5And next week there will be a fourth. Seriously, if this kind of news is shocking, much less newsworthy, your computer is probably riddled with viruses, trojans and other unspeakable afflictions.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Yes, they fixed a few days ago. Good for them. Of course it took a exposed vulerability to get it fixed, NOT the promised(and not delievered) increase in code quality by Microsoft.
- jeffgtr, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Despite everyone saying "your days coming" this makes me glad I'm running Firefox on OSX and never browse the web with IE on those rare occasions (their getting less and less every day) I use my winxp box.
- Lynn, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4It was fixed before this was found.
- xst4t1kx, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4"They'll have a patch out soon after they *test* the patch to make damn well sure that it isn't going to screw up thousands of corporate desktops ... ever think of that?"
Thousands of corporate desktops could be "screwed up" by their incompetence and ongoing critical design flaws. They can band-aid it after the fact but that does not solve the long term problem. - idonthack, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I realized that too. I mean, come on, what do you guys have against 13 year olds? Most 13 year olds I know aren't as retarded as the people who rag on them.
- darthmdh, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Sometimes vendors are cajoled into coming forth about these problems because exploits for them are already made public in the appropriate forums; so there is no time for the vendor to properly understand, build, test & release a patch for the issue before its well-known. Not everyone believes in let alone follows the practice of informing the vendor and giving them appropriate time to patch it before making the info public.
- JorgeGT, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2So I'll be proud of hitting you as the song says ;-)
- sporkwitch, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Jinx, standard rate in my area is 150-250 for a full system cleanup (granted that includes a defrag as well as a manual cleanup to be thorough). You could probably jack your rates up to 100 no problem. Circuit City charges 40 for spyware, 40 for virus, and a mandatory 60 for diagnostics (we have to examine the system to see what's there, right?) and 9/10 times all they let us do is run a couple freeware anti-virus apps the customer should have had in the first place. On top of that, they aren't allowed to leave the apps on the computer afterwards. (I used to work for them.)
- brandonhines, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I understand the exploit. I'm just saying that the everyone, media included, is all about bashing Microsoft. They are certainly not perfect. Far from it. But here they are letting people know of a dangerous exploit and providing a work-around until a patch is available. Good for them. And that's coming from an OS X guy.
I know my opinion is the unpopular one here, but I think the situation deserves more than comments like "Yeah, there's a patch already -- it's called Firefox/Opera/don't use Windows." - darthmdh, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3So true. I installed the timezone patch from Windows Update, however my clock still went back an hour this weekend instead of next weekend. So who the heck knows what that patch really did? It has no documentation whatsoever and didn't perform the desired, advertised function and is of course closed source so I have no way of telling.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3hundreds and hundreds of thousands.
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