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- Xanin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+37Or the actual link:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/6479395.stm - troydoogle7, on 10/12/2007, -2/+35In a word... YES
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+31i thought it was just common knoledge, UK is camera central
- Augie1969, on 10/12/2007, -5/+33It seems to me like the UK is the testing grounds for what they plan to bring to the US.
I live in AZ, supposedly one of the most anti-"big-government" states around. Problem is, though, that there are traffic cameras everywhere. With more popping up all the time.
As an aside: Redflex (a PRIVATE company that makes them) gets around $43 for each ticket. For civil crimes. Somehow this seems wrong to me.
This fear of crime is getting out of control, and lots of folks are getting rich off of our fear. Meanwhile we sink deeper and deeper towards an Orwellian dystopia. - Asianwaste, on 10/12/2007, -3/+27V for Video Surveillance!
- KnightMareInc, on 10/12/2007, -1/+24 thought it already was?
- Xanin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+20The fact that you are constantly under surveillance is seen by most people as a breach of privacy. Why should the government know where everyone is? Why is it their business? It's also a slippery slope, constant public surveillance could very easily lead to private surveillance, especially in the interests of protecting against 'terrorists' and such.
- s6t9eve, on 10/12/2007, -2/+22There is no argument that the UK has alot of CCTV cameras. One night i got into an argument outside a bar and the cops where called, however instead of seeing a cop car roll round the corner, i simply had a lady come up to me and say calm down your being watched on CCTV now, and i looked around and 3 cameras had turned there focus to me.
- Mosatii, on 10/12/2007, -2/+20That sounds more like something out of a dystopian-futuristic movie than reality.
Creepy. - DrScott, on 10/12/2007, -1/+19The big deal is the next step.
- Xanin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+18I walk daily past Euston station in London, and the number of cameras there is absolutely ridiculous. I swear I must be caught on camera several hundred times a weeks, it's quite unnerving to think about it.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18I was gonna say the same thing...
What do they have to do to cross the line from "becoming" to "is" a surveillance society?
What they do to their citizens puts the Patriot Act in perspective... As intrusive at the government is in the USA, there are other countries in the "free world" that are much worse. - maeon3, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15This outlines the similarities to George Orwell 1984:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4312730277175242198
http://freedomtofascism.com/ - Zwirko, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15I knew a guy once who worked the cameras in central Glasgow. Him and his work mates regularly (during their lunch break) used the cameras to zoom in and follow any hot looking women.
- Pestilence, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16in a word - BECOMING?????
- toastyghost, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14Absolutely, we're already halfway there and they're shortly planning to finish us off with the ID card schemes. Of course, you can opt out of having an ID card but that also entails never being able to have a passport. As the passport office already take some biometric information, it's now impossible to show your dissatisfaction by leaving without getting your details stuck on some database somewhere.
I disagree with the government holding this information, especially after previous data 'mishaps' such as the release of several hundred prisoners on murder and rape charges. What makes it even worse is that 'parties of relevant interest' also get access to the data; essentially meaning government-friendly corporations can use the database to mine for your details. Not only that, but they recently stated the police would also have full access to the data, which they previously explicitly stated would not happen.
This essentially places all UK citizens into the category of 'guilty until proven innocent'.
Coupled with the new surveillance-based road tax system (about to begin testing in my city) and the proposal to integrate your RFID card with your credit or debit cards, companies and the state will be able to know not only who you are in immense detail, but also where you are and what you're spending your money on.
I read 1984 a long time ago but I never thought I'd actually be living in the same context so soon. I'm a member of NO2ID but at this stage even this many people voicing their dissent seems to fall on deaf ears. - Zwirko, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14In the UK you often see that the police used "mobile phone records" or "internet access records" to help make their case. Everything you do in this country is monitored. You cant go a walk, make a phone call or browse the web without it all being captured and logged. All that is left private is your thoughts. This can change too of course ... one day.
- blapierre, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12@iamcitizen
I think you mean a book... - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+17Let me give you a little geography lesson:
England = England
UK = England, Wales, Scotland + Northern Ireland
Britain = England, Wales, Scotland
Let it never again be said that UK = England. - dukeeeey, on 10/12/2007, -2/+111984 anyone ?
it is sad, but true - Xanin, on 10/12/2007, -9/+18I think that phrase is used far too often; we still have a lot of freedoms that many countries in the world don't. Not to say I agree with the surveillance though.
- lookitsbeige, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12U.S. looks up to U.K...riiight...
- bigdoug, on 10/12/2007, -7/+16Its becoming a police state
- Andy.D, on 10/12/2007, -7/+15The original story from the BBC:
http://digg.com/world_news/MPs_probe_UK_s_new_surveillance_society - zombiedepot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Only without a cinematic ending.
- kolop1, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Becoming a surveillance society? It all ready is.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Only in fascist britain.
+digg for awareness! - rac3r5, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9reminds me of
V for Vendetta
Equilibrium
Minority Report...
.... any more???
The sad thing is our mayor went to England to see how u guys deal with crime and then came back to Canada and plans on implementing this in our city pretty soon. :s - Elranzer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+81984 was always about the UK, not America. It is the UK turning into a nanny/police state.
The main reason we get spied on in America is ultimately for advertising reasons. - rompom7, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8@30trip: It's one thing to be seen in public.. It is a completely different story when everything you do in public is recorded and kept.
Can you imagine if something went wrong? What if the timestamping messed up and showed you leaving a store that was robbed 5 minutes later but the timestamp showed it was the time of the incident?
What if your activities got into the wrong hands? Every weekday at 8:45 you're seen walking down the street to work, your wife is seen dropping the kids off at school before she heads off to work. A perfect time to rob your house is it not?
Before, in public, we had freedom. Now that we know we're being watched, those freedoms have been destroyed. - Gir53457, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9"Good evening, London. Allow me first to apologize for this interruption. I do, like many of you, appreciate the comforts of every day routine- the security of the familiar, the tranquility of repetition. I enjoy them as much as any bloke..."
- azurepalm, on 10/12/2007, -6/+12V for Vendetta baby!
- lukas88, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11I have been pretty disappointed to hear about some of the things the brits are letting their government get away with these days. We Americans tend to look up to UK and much of europe (not france) as being good progressive examples. News like this is just disappointing.
- calvmari, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7This is off topic, so digg me down if you feel like it, but I'm extremely happy to see Digg well used by both the Americas and Britain. Gives me a warm fuzzy feeling to have foreign internet users mingle like locals :)
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+91984 is here and its happening in England.
- toastyghost, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Tell that to the residents of Hackney, who are having centrally monitored microphone systems installed in the streets outside their homes in time for the Olympics.
Now you only have to say enough anti-establismentary words and the police will have the power to take you in for expressing dissent. There's only one thing left to police; thought itself. At least it'll be interesting to see how they attempt that. - GeneralAntilles, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Repeat after me: I will not ask stupid questions before googling it.
- spyd3rweb, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8I their would like to point out to anyone who is in the US that you have a right "to be secure in your persons, houses, papers, and effects..."
YOUR BODY IS YOUR OWN PRIVATE PROPERTY, IT IS NOT PUBLIC PROPERTY. You have a right to privacy anywhere you walk in this country.
The federal government is no where granted the in the Constitition that it can survielle its citizens without a warrant, which means they do not have the authority to do so. In a Republic YOU hold the power, you CHOOSE what the government can and CANT do.
Freedom is NOT free, it carries the highest of price, if you do not fight for it, you will have none. - MotionAesthetic, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Unlike the book which happened in... England.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6@zwirko:
Who wouldn't do that..... - Flamekebab, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7I'm glad someone said they don't know what it refers to, as it lets me say: DON'T EXPECT US TO UNDERSTAND YOUR BLOODY TRADITIONS!
Sorry, I've just known so many US people who don't get why I have no understanding of "thanksgiving" or their Independence Day.
We have Guy Fawkes night on the fifth of November every year, fireworks night, bonfire night.
But even then, haven't you seen V for Vendetta?! - 3dom, on 10/12/2007, -0/+54.2 million cctv cameras in a country of 60 million people. I can spot 4 from my window right now
- TomP, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Thats not all we also bend over when paying for our car tax and nearly 90p per litre on petrol prices.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7@azurepalm
Fail. You should read more books. - Guydevice, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Sure, the CIA uses its wiretapping powers to see what flavor of ice cream we like best.
- lykathea, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Kind of like on V for Vendetta?
- Fhionnlaoch, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7What the ***** is wrong with this picture:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Wfm_cctv_van.jpg
Heh, I was thinking of doing my graduate work in the UK, but I think I'll go for Ireland instead. - wushu18t, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6@boombye
"I live in AZ, supposedly one of the most anti-"big-government" states around."
auguie1969 said "supposedly"... he did not make it a statement or say it was fact.
a little thought while reading helps. also, calm down. - surewhynot, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7i was in london and edinburgh this past week, and yeah, compared to america, their surveillance is out of control! there were cameras (and cctv warnings) everywhere. very creepy/bigbrother/1984 vibe.
- lukas88, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7I was joking about france, in reality I think they are ok. I know the attitude and climate in france had a lot to do with the american revolt against great britain back in the day. And thanks for the statue of liberty. My spanish teacher was french and there is a big place in my heart for her. But, I mean, its france, how can you resist?
I met a good friend from sweden at my university and as I have gotten to know her, she is not bashful about pointing out all the ways that sweden is great and that the US could learn from. They have basically equal pay for men and women there. It is gonna be years before we can claim the same thing. -
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