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- SickPigzJohnny, on 11/14/2007, -4/+111Its on the internet and isnt completely private?! **GASP**
- dbarefoot, on 11/14/2007, -3/+46Now everyone's going to know that I'm married and heterosexual. The shame!
- AmishRefugee, on 11/14/2007, -2/+42oh *****, so anyone on facebook can find out that I'm not gay and didn't post a specific religion? Woe is me! My most personal information is no longer safe from the thousands (if not millions) of people who aren't my friends and also want to know if I'm gay or not.
- rebble810, on 10/11/2007, -8/+47My gripe is with "underagers" who set their profile to private but then put their picture as one showing them pounding beers/doing keg stands/shots/bong rips. That's good enough evidence for a recruiter not to hire you.
Good blog post though. I myself did not know that. - tom6a, on 10/11/2007, -2/+28Facebook already changed it: "Facebook offers sophisticated search and privacy controls and is constantly making improvements based on feedback from our users. We have since updated the advanced search function so that profile information that has been made private by a user, such as gender, religion, and sexual orientation, will not return a result."
- iceman0113, on 10/11/2007, -2/+23If you don't want people to know your sexual orientation, name, etc. Don't post it. Simple as that. Otherwise, everything else is fair game.
- appleswitch, on 10/11/2007, -6/+27It took a "security researcher" to find out that when I search for my name they can see my name?!?!?? Irrational panic!!!
Privacy > Search > Who Can Find Me in Search: only my friends -- now shut the ***** up. - chrisinsocalif, on 10/11/2007, -2/+22Someone tried to tell me their facebook is private and no one can see it cause they have a really good "firewall."
People amaze me sometimes. - willclarke, on 10/11/2007, -1/+15Okay, this is retarded. Of course you show up in searches if you don't edit the settings for how you show up in searches. They are pretty clear that there is a difference between who can see your profile (your "privacy settings") and how you show up in searches. This is not a privacy problem, it's a problem of people not paying attention.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+13Nice to see that Facebook was so responsive in fixing this issue, as the updated post shows.
- bffoley, on 10/11/2007, -0/+10Please. I've worked for a number of companies who hire temps or part time people in their late teens/early twenties, and half of them dont last because they spend most of their weekends and weeknights getting tanked and coming in (if at all) hung over and not wanting to work. If any of the companies looked at stuff like Facebook, we could have avoided a good number of them. If, out of all the pictures you have of yourself, you choose to have a picture of yourself pouring two beers into your mouth at once as your primary, you're probably not going to be a model employee.
- TheSabre, on 10/11/2007, -1/+10Then stay away from SOCIAL NETWORKING sites. "Oh no, I joined a website whose ultimate purpose is connecting people with other people but now people can see me!"
- bocaJWho, on 10/11/2007, -1/+10The real big issue is the new facebook API. I'm not sure if businesses have caught onto this yet, but whenever you add an application, you give that application, and hence, the owner of that application, the right to pore over your entire profile. I predict that popular applications creators will soon start selling all the information from there databases to marketing firms and recruiters.
You signed up for graffiti, listed that you like Linkin Park and your cell number is in your profile? Guess who's about to get text messages soliciting ringtones!
You listed your interest as beer, pot and women and decided to add iLike to your profile? Guess who isn't getting that cushy job at Goldman-Sachs.
This is where there is truly likely to be a huge loss of privacy on facebook, due to the way the platform works. - Markpdotcom, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9I'm sure I've seen that movie...
- blitzer, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8Dont put anything on the internet you dont want your mom to know/see.
- tommyhat, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7Then don't post things on the internet if you don't want people to read them!!
Is this REALLY so hard to understand? - putnam, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6This isn't a hole. The owner of the photos chose "Everyone" for its privacy level, which is independent of the privacy he has enabled on his profile. You can't see person B's profile, but you CAN see his photos (which is good, like if say, your mutual friend C was tagged in B's photo and you wanted to see pictures of C). If B changed the privacy of that photo album from "Everyone" to something more restrictive, you would not be able to see it.
It's all about granular control. - nimawin, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7@appleswitch: that is the dumbest idea ever... why would your friends search for you? you are already in their list.. your friends that don't have you in their list yet need to search for you and find you. if everyone turned that option on, no one would find anyone in there!
- helinism, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5If people can't be assed to take the time to work out the privacy controls that's their problem... People are too quick to expect simplified versions of everything to save them from actually having to think.
- codeninja42, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5No facebook or myspace? *gasp* Don't you have electricity or something?
- staffell, on 10/11/2007, -3/+7No skin off my nose if someone finds that kind of information on me. What they gonna do, hunt me down and rape me because they can see I'm a single white lesbian?
- Durinthal, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4How is society "phony" now? Are people putting up inaccurate information to make themselves look better to their friends?
- casey151, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4If you're a knowledgeable Facebook user, you'd know that there are tons of ways you can set your privacy level. People's names, profile pics, sexual orientation, or religion are the things people aren't so concerned about hiding. If you really wanna hide that you're a gay atheist, you know better not to put it there.
The privacy controls were put in for the more meaty tidbits: tagged photos of your keg party, interests, friend's wall posts about your awkward night, etc. You also control who can actually search for you. I have over 350 friends, and I doubt that they'd freak out knowing that their non-friends are finding out they're a conservative catholic with a communications degree. - whataboutdave, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4I'm not sure why you are being dugg down. You're exactly right.
People who expect Facebook to act like MySpace will be disappointed. I don't see anything wrong with that. In fact I kind of like it. - ArraySun, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4Don't create hype/panic for something that can be alleviated. This is easily remedied if you look carefully in your options. Like appleswitch said: Privacy > Search > Who Can Find Me in Search: only my friends
- whatsforlunch, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3This is why you should never post information you don't other people knowing about. People don't seem to understand that even thought their profile is private there is still ways to find out who you are by simple searches.
- LethalAmbition, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5Did you smack him? Wait... her?
- andreusboy, on 10/11/2007, -3/+6I second that. But it annoys me when you tell people you don't do that whole myspace/facebook waste and they gasp at you like you live without electricity or something.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -11/+13"That's good enough evidence for a recruiter not to hire you. "
If a recruiter seriously won't hire you over that, you're better off not working there to begin with. Trust me, you'll be much happier because if they use that type of screening tactics, then there are probably many many worse internal rules and regulations that will just make you hate your job that much more.
The last thing you need is some snoopy employer that doesn't understand and respect its employee's right to privacy. - djh816, on 10/11/2007, -3/+5Actualy IT DOES exist. For each element on you profile, you can choose who can see it: your friends, your network, etc.
- mojaam, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Exactly, now that article is already outdated. I thought this was about the video describing facebook's privacy policy and scarring people:
http://karim.co.za/blog/2007/06/22/does-what-happens-in-the-facebook-stay-in-the-facebook/ - Durinthal, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3No, he's right. There isn't a master on/off privacy switch. You need to go through multiple pages to find everything you need to hide your profile to the general world.
If you want to make your profile private, you should be going through all of those pages anyway. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4A/S/L?
- BossX, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Site is retarded. I deactivated my account and then I tried to delete my account and they said I need to delete all my content before they can delete my account. I asked why, and their response was "Our legal department said its our policy", when I questioned the reasoning behind the policy they would not answer me, they just kept repeating the same thing. So I just wasted 10 minutes deleting all my info, and deactivated my account AGAIN - let's see what happens...
- fatpads, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2well yeah... but people have always lied to make themselves look better.
I don't think social networking sites are any MORE phony - lordtyros, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Because you are ugly.
- EllisAshbrook, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2SO Stupid. You have to know who you're looking for and what attribute they have. So, you have to guess their religion/political views, etc, and then it'll tell you if you're right. Like 20 questions. bah, who gives a *****? Way to go, Mr. Security-Researcher-Man.
- Seanmu13, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Sometimes you don't want employers looking at your pictures but you want your friends to still see them. That's one purpose of a private profile.
- mattyxo, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Uhhh how would facebook get my email contact list? That doesn't make any sense. You don't ever need to give them your contact list. And bots add me? Are you confused as to what facebook really is?
- dani8559, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1I use search for friends all of the time. It's easier than loading up my whole friends list and scrolling. And that option is for those who are ultra-concerned about privacy. If you have a friend in common, they can still see that you are on facebook and add you there. And you can add other friends. Now that I'm well acquainted with FB, I rarely get a facebook invite I want.
- itanshi, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3Man and when Facebook opened it up to everyone, I ditched my photo.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1no. i did it before you could whipe your own ass
- timdorr, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Yeah, I knew about this problem a while ago personally. Used it to check on girls being single that didn't list it. Giggity!
- chris4buffy, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1How would that video scar you?
- mattyxo, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Actually, you should read the TOU before you make accusations. If you look under the Platform Application TOU, you will find that under II. Consent Regarding Use of Facebook Site Information, it clearly states that developers can access "(i) any information provided by you and visible to you on the Facebook Site, excluding any of your Contact Information"
It also states under (d) Developer Agreement, "We may from time to time enter into separate agreements with certain third party Developers that contain different or additional terms, provided however, that each such separate agreement will require the third party Developer to only display your information in accordance with your Facebook privacy settings." The last 7 words are the most important because it is under your control whether or not your information can be used. It does state (and this is the sucky part) that they (FB) cannot be responsible for enforcing this which makes sense if you look at it from a business perspective. If you willingly sign away your profile to a third party app you are giving them your information. How else will they be able to make their app coincide with your profile? If you're THAT worried about privacy, it would be best to not even be on Facebook at all. Better to be safe than sorry, no?
So anyways, not every company is the anti-christ. Some just want to sell you things by getting you to visit their site. - mattyxo, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Exactly how did you miss the 'privacy' link at the top right of every page on fb? You should probably go to YOUR profile and actually LOOK at the page. It clearly displays Profile, Search, News Feed and Mini-feed, Pokes, Messages and Friends Requests and Applications.
There may not be an ON/OFF switch, but that's because you're given more options to pick and choose what kind of information is available and to whom it is available. I do agree that this is a non-story. This only reveals that people are often too slow or don't have the best common sense to check all the privacy settings. - jonshipman, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1You don't do email either I imagine?
- maoru, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1This wouldn't be considered news if you just read their privacy policy.
"Additionally, we may share account or other information when we believe it is necessary to comply with law, to protect our interests or property....This may include sharing information with other companies, lawyers, agents or government agencies."
Wait, account or OTHER information? What's that?
"Facebook may also collect information about you from other sources, such as newspapers, blogs, instant messaging services, and other users of the Facebook"
"We do not reveal information until we have a good faith belief that an information request by law enforcement or private litigants meets applicable legal standards" - chrisashf, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Facebook are not trying to build a system with tight privacy - they are geared up for openess using a strong viral model. A tight privacy model is not going to be massively viral and I would personally not give endless details to a free service as I know that user data is money to a free service. If you want to build a close community then don't do it on Facebook - its meant for nosey people with time on their hands.
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