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- clownguyx, on 10/12/2007, -1/+24No. They'll continue to use overpaid contractors with poor results.
- mistercharlie, on 10/12/2007, -5/+22That kid is lucky he doesn't have brown skin or some Arab sounding name. Otherwise he would have simply disappeared...
- fartingbob, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17Yes, this was the best thing that could have happened. If they did nothing, everyone would bitch. If they sent the kid to guantanemo everyone would bitch. If they sued the kid for millions of dollars everyone would bitch. This way no-one has any real ground to bitch.
- flipmeat, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16This is more or less what is supposed to happen. Boy shows flaw, feds check boy, boy returns to normal life.
I am so not used to this. - bloobloo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16Soghoian said federal officials took his computers and passport during the investigation but have since returned them.
- roomforpanic, on 10/12/2007, -8/+20hehe, you said "FBI drops probe"
- NegroSuave, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14That only applies to international flights... I haven't ever had to show a passport for a domestic flight
- Cyggie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Domestic flight security is still just a big joke. It’s only meant to stop people that are too lazy to think up a good plan. I travel quite a bit for business and every time I have to show them my ID/boarding pass before the security check point I can’t help but wonder what it’s for.
Example: Person on the “no fly list” purchase ticket online using fake name (they never ask you to provide any kind of proof when you purchase the ticket, and you don’t even have to use your own credit card to buy the ticket). He does online check-in and print out his boarding pass/scan it/photoshop it back to his real name on his ID. He’s now using a boarding pass (valid bar code) with a real ID and going through the checkpoint without any problem. And they never look at the name on the boarding pass when you actually get on the plane…
So what’s the point of those people checking off your boarding pass before the security checkpoint other than to slow you down???? I’m still trying to figure that one out… - Boondoggle, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6The BPs would get you through security though, which is the point of the exercise. You could then get on a plane using someone else's valid BP, because in most cases the gate agents don't check IDs anymore.
Or you could just meet your girlfriend at the gate, like in the good old days. - strictnein, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5terrorist!
- strictnein, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7"and we can't say "That ***** was the bomb!" anymore"
Then it was all worth it - YourTechSupport, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5*cough* DoD Spec Hard Drive Nuke, Lather, Rinse, Repeat, Reformat.
- strictnein, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5The thing is, this shouldn't get you on the airplane. You notice those little barcodes that they scan before you get on a plane? The machine has two lights:
Red Light = bad ticket/there's a problem
Green light = good to go - JackDoyle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I agree. Also the liquid thing? *****, people have been blowing things up with liquids for over a hundred years! Why is it all of a sudden a concern? And who came up with the 3 oz. thing anyways? I had to throw away my 4 oz. toothpaste yesterday. If I had only thought to split it into two 2 oz. containers I would have been able to go through security.
As long as your stuff isn't more than 3 oz. per container and fits into the quart bag it doesn't really matter what it is... so here's my theory.
Mr. Terrorist decides to go through security with 10 cleverly disguised (shampoo, conditioner, toothpaste, etc) 3 oz. bottles. What's in them? Nitroglycerin, don't you know... 3 oz. of Nitroglycerin should be fine to go through security, since it's only 3 oz. and in a clear plastic quart size baggie.
Okay, now that he's got his 30 oz. of nitroglycerin in the airport, he'll buy his King Size Coke from Burger King. Drink it because he's thirsty from all the waiting at the security checkpoint, then go into the bathroom and pour all of his nitroglycerin into that cup... carefully, of course, since it's nitroglycerin.
Now, he'll wait til it's time to board the plane. Once he boards the plane, he'll throw the cup at the partition that seperates the first class passengers from the rest of us.... BOOM!!!!
But, those of us out of the blast zone feel safer knowing that my 4 oz. toothpaste is safely in the trashcan OUTSIDE of the security checkpoint. - NegroSuave, on 10/12/2007, -11/+14Yeah we can round them up like we did the Japanese during World War II. I mean the Japanese were crazy suicide bombers that made attacks on american soil, roudnign up the naturalized citizens and immigrants from japan was a great thing for national security.
Hey we let them in the country freely now? That is pre 12/7 thinking - marnaq, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Couple of times. Consult Gitmo guest list.
- rusty0101, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Nope, extract hard drive, replace with a new one. Take HD to the local machinist shop and have the HD ground to dust. To be sure, take dust and melt it down to slag as well.
- strictnein, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@Wootery:
Do you fly often?
There's a barcode scanner that NWA (the airline in question here) uses (and many other airlines). You give the person your ticket. They scan the barcode. The barcode scanner lights up one of two lights. If the red light it lit, it means there's an issue (bad ticket, wrong flight, etc). If the green flight lights up they let you on the plane because your ticket is valid.
This website did not make VALID tickets, it just made valid looking tickets. They would get you by the goons who check your boarding pass and ID before you go through security, but they would not get you on a plane. - strictnein, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@Boondoggle
woosh! - fulldecent, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"That ***** was the bomb" was originally invented to throw off Echelon
- whiledo, on 03/25/2009, -0/+2From his site:
"The short version of things, is that they've stopped the investigation, due to a lack of evidence of criminal intent on my part."
http://slightparanoia.blogspot.com/ - mork571, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1There is a reason. It is not security. In fact, there's nothing secure about airport security (in general) as best as I can tell and I'm only a moderate traveler. Anyone with a good amount of smarts can scope an airport out (or airplane) and see plenty of opportunity for getting through (or bypassing) security..
What we see is an attempt to provide a SENSE of security to those travelers with less than that good amount of smarts I mentioned earlier. There's plenty of them. To you and me it seems like a needless inconvenience, but to them it is a necessity for safe travel.
As long as they feel safe flying, they'll keep flying.. sure it is probably just as vulnerable to terrorism as it was pre-9/11, but they won't figure it out as long as there is as much show at the doors as possible.. - Cyggie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Well... then tell me why I'm sharing their cost... :P Can I skip that part of the tax and the security check altogether???
- grinin, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4We are currently stopping the same number of people who were stopped before the attacks.... Though we have spent tons of $$ trying to tighten security and all it has done is make us wear sandals to the airport, wear stretchy pants with no metal on them... we can no longer bring our own water on board.... and we can't say "That ***** was the bomb!" anymore.
- Wootery, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@strictnein
Ah, now I get it.
And no I don't fly often. - Boondoggle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@stricknien:
ha! Sorry. I think I heard the woosh but didn't heed it. - chess007, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1 Consider that there are babies on the no fly list. lol Its pathetic. Maybe a dirty diaper counts as "biological warfare." lol The kid was trying to help out by pointing out the flaw. Why can't people see that? If he wanted to use his "hack" he wouldn't HAVE POINTED IT OUT!!
- AnotherBrian, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2You're both half right. We should use profiling in order to constraint our limited resources on the most likely threat. This is just plain, common sense.
This is a long was from putting people in concentration camps which was a disgusting thing that the USA should be ashamed of. That was just one tiny hair away from what the Nazis did. - Cyggie, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Hahhaa... nice... I'm now a terrorist for stating the obvious... :D
- Rtaylor32, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Hopefully Homeland Security picks up the investigation.
- JackDoyle, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1There is a reason to bitch. He didn't break any laws, and wasn't SUSPECTED of breaking any laws. If you look at the takedown order for the website, the laws that the Department of Homeland Security refer to relate to USING a fake boarding pass to pass security checks, etc. There is NOTHING in there, at least nothing they quoted, indicating the creating them is illegal. And as far as I know, he wasn't suspected of actually using one, was he?
- BigFoot48, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0If they're at Gitmo, they haven't "disappeared", have they?
- toddr4fun, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2It is unnecessary to carry ID to fly domestically. In fact--it's often a faster trip through the security line if you fly with no ID than (See the Great No-ID Airport Challenge http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,71115-0.html) with ID..
It's conceivable to have 2 BPs--1 legit BP with a fake name to get on the plane and bypass the No-Fly List. Another fake BP that has your real name on it to show TSA with your real ID at the chcekpoint.
I believe that the ID check is less about security and more about revenue protection for the airlines. Airlines doesn't want me to give someone else my boarding pass without paying the change fees. The system also makes people FEEL safer. I doubt that a real terrorist would be unable to game the system. - Boondoggle, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1It was not "worth it".
because there are still thousands of ways of getting a bomb on an airplane that don't involve a bottle of water, shoes or lipstick. It is just a self-deluding inconvenience. - JackyTreehorn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0FTA:
"People on the no-fly list could easily purchase airline tickets in a fake name, then tell security they forgot or lost their identification ... People who forget their IDs go through very thorough TSA screenings to make sure they are not carrying weapons or other banned items onto planes,"
I don't have a problem with this. Isn't the ultimate goal of the no-fly list to keep people from carrying weapons onto planes? I would think a "very thorough TSA screening" would ensure others that a person is not carrying any type of weapon.
I don't care if someone's on the no-fly list. As long as such a person isn't carrying any weapons, I don't mind sharing a flight with them. - theonesteve, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Notice the article makes no mention of anyone actually FIXING the flaw that was pointed out. By reading this article one could assume that no one actually cares whether or not you can print fake boarding passes, as long as you don't tell anyone you're doing it.
- Boondoggle, on 10/12/2007, -6/+5returned no doubt after planting some seditious kiddie porn on them for future use.
- skored, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1This was just like after 9-11 when people were trying to smuggle things through security at airports to prove a point. Their cases were dropped too.
- Wootery, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2"People on the no-fly list could easily purchase airline tickets in a fake name, then tell security they forgot or lost their identification, he said." ...?
No passport, no flight - that was true even before the paranoia. - BigFoot48, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1And you have documented proof that has happened how many times in the last five years?
- Wootery, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1@Suave
Ah ok, that makes sense. My bad.
@strictnein
"The thing is, this shouldn't get you on the airplane. You notice those little barcodes that they scan before you get on a plane? The machine has two lights", ? - dvdcr, on 10/12/2007, -6/+4and whats the site?
I need some tickets :D - mybuddysplace, on 10/12/2007, -9/+4I guess he already has his computers back.
- greeneyes137, on 10/12/2007, -7/+0That ***** was the bomb!
Sorry, had 2 say it - The_Wallbanger, on 10/12/2007, -9/+2Will national security be more effective by utilizing crowd-sourcing methodologies?
- dvdcr, on 10/12/2007, -9/+1true.
Digg him down for saying a fact. - nj10ii, on 10/12/2007, -15/+7The real way to be safe is by profiling. Like it or not. Its todays world. Hopefully crowd-sourcing is a new word that is politically correct but means profiling. ?
- unusualbob, on 10/12/2007, -13/+5umm, it says "Soghoian said federal officials took his computers and passport during the investigation but have since returned them."
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -19/+3Yeah... but he won't ever see his computers again...
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