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- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14like we don't spy on everyone? we even spy on ourselves!
- clabbergrrl, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11"Is China the next Russia?"
No, the USA is the next Russia - ideologically paralyzed by conservative political correctness, and overtaken by a dynamic young-thinking society. If only we'd listened to Thomas Paine, our society would stil be young and dynamic. - Ruins, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Just pointing out a few things that I read in the comments made so far:
1) Many taiwaness people do not want an independent country, including the spy. Its a minority, but it ever since its inceptions, there has been two factions in Taiwan that are violently for or against independence from China. Hence the violence between politicians over there. A person from Taiwan would work for China for ideological as well as monetary reasons.
2) From TFA, there weren't clear indications that the man was contracted and directly hired by the Chinese government, just that he probably got paid by them. There is a difference, and I am sure all large governments would have programs in place that pay people to get any intellectual property, government or otherwise, through manipulation and stealing.
3) China is not the next Russia. The Chinese will never go into an arms war with another country, or any other kind of useless competition. They don't mind losing a few battles to win the war, and are never (at least, as a whole) aggressively one-sided in their foreign politics, maybe apart from Taiwan. They would rather beat the US through economics than war. If you can starve a race horse before a race, whats the point of trying to breed a faster race horse?
4) Money is pouring into China. Its not just the slack labour laws, but also the ease with which to start factories, have hard working staff always at hand and now, having a large number of educated people returning from undertaking degrees overseas.
In summary, the Chinese will probably be the next super power, especially given the way a lot of the world views the US. If they can choose between dealing with the states or China, I think most businesses and governments would choose China, apart from those concerned about protecting Intellectual Property. - peregrine, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7@0troy
Umm how many not tech related stories do you see on the front page of digg?
right.
As long as digg is the only decent democratic news site then it will be used for more then one reason.
Digg is too good for people to freak out over not being tech related. - webguy2k, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8I'm surprised that they don't already make the engines for our jet fighters... they seem to make everything else.
- skeeto, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7China has threatened to nuke the US repeatedly and have stuff aimed at 200 American cities. See:
http://news.ft.com/cms/s/28cfe55a-f4a7-11d9-9dd1-00000e2511c8.html
This does not worry the monkeys in DC apparently. Or maybe it does, which is why China can more or less get away with human rights violations that we supposedly go after idiots like Saddam for. Not to mention all these US companies and search engines agreeing to censor results in their country. Of course China also manufactures damn near everything being sold in the US now, so talk about being in between a rock and a hard place. There are people, usually drunken rednecks, that pump their chest and talk about "getting China too". "We would defeat them in a nuclear war. yee haw". Yeah, ok. So lets see 1 billion chinese vs 300 million Americans. They have enough nukes to apparently hit 200 of our cities at least. AND they manufacture most of the stuff being sold here. If something did start up, you can be certain all the shipments will stop and there goes the economy to boot, on top of the rain of nukes.
As for Chinese technology. Talk to Bush (1 and 2), Clinton, Rumsfeld, Israel and others. All of which have at some point or another authorized China to get their hands on various super computers and nuclear plant blueprints. In the case of Israel, we give them a bunch of free *****, since they're our friend, and they turn around and sell it to countries like China.
China is the legit future threat. Not these empty theats from Iraq or Iran supposedly about bringing all those people freedom (by bombing them and making a bunch of companies rich). It's China and Russia. Countries that can put up a serious fight, and the monkeys in DC know it. - regedit2D, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3It never ceases to amaze me that Americans are so disloyal to their own country. An agent of a hostile foreign country is caught trying to steal our military's secrets, the things that keep our troops alive!, and they say that America does it too. I don't care why or who America is spying on, because they're the enemy. All I care about is the fact that just because they caught him, doesn't mean there aren't more of them out there. People who think this is justified are nothing more than 21st century hippies...the same type of people who called heroes of Vietnam baby killers after suffering so much for so long.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5DUDE! Don't act like America doesn't spy on other countries. Please, this ***** happens all the time.
- Phyrefly, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Russia isn't going anywhere or superceding any one. China is and will be.
- cheese06, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2what you mean is china the next russia. china has been spynig on america for decades, and vice versa. nothing new. we spy on our own allies ffs.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Oh yeah China is going to take over the world... If only they could get a step ahead of the U.S. and invent some of their own jet engines.
It's the Cold War all over again. U.S. actually innovates, USSR steals. - robbh66, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2China lost a fighter pilot with a family and his jet. ***** me people can be ignorant sometimes.
Yeah, a pilot who was known to fly too close frequently. His family lost him because of his own stupidity- because he wanted to show his pride to the big bad Americans. And you call us ignorant. - karch, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2wow, that DOES make sense. the US is totally the next Russia.
- JudgeDredd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2What is disturbing is that the ***** is Taiwanese. It is not really news that the PRC is stealing tech. It really hurts me that a Taiwan national is doing it for them.
- phiz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2>It's the Cold War all over again. U.S. actually innovates, USSR steals.
Like all the atomic and rocketry programs that the US innovated in the 40s and 50s. And by innovate I ment had German scientists who had previously developed the technology in Germany assist the US.
Americans seem to have this idea that something isn't truly invented unless it was invented in the US especially if it came from a country that there isn't the best relations with. Cuba has lots of medical research going on, but since they are the "bad guys" it gets discredited. - hammerattack, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Is? IS CHINA THE NEXT? Wake the hell up. China has been spying on the US for three decades, in many case developing contacts through Russia itself. They stole the software that drives the Aegis Battle Management system and basically cloned the Aegis class destroyers as the foundation of their deep water navy. Now they're working on long range heavy lift transport capacity for their air force. And look at their rhetoric when it comes to Taiwan, a country that has 50 years of independance. It's only matter of time before they declare the rest of the planet a 'rogue province'.
- cptpatriot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Is this supposed to surprise us? With the Soviets out of the superpower race, China is the largest threat to the US. They have nuclear capability and the massive population to aid in manufacturing. Should it come down to a fight between the US and China, I see no clear winner in a nuclear (there are never any winners in this kind) or conventional war.
- jimbo92107, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1As long as they keep making that de-licious food, they can spy on me. Kung Pao Triple, yum!
- sofa0ne, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Heck they could have just asked Clinton for that stuff when he was in office...
- brownb2, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Rotfl. In this hypothetical situation I don't think the UK (England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Island) would be China's main concern. Sure we have our own nukes and modern armed forces (new BAe Stealth drones, Eurofighter, new type 45 destoyers etc) but IMHO it would be short contest due to our island's size. We could possbily give them a bloody nose ;)
Maybe Doctor Who could wave his magic screwdriver.
Besides why are we talking about war with a country whose population -may- be reading this article? Personally I have no grudge, we spy you spy everyone does, no big scandal.
"If china went to war with the US, the 51st state would come in to back it up (England). I don't think china got enough nukes to take on both nations." - CaptainScott, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1plmnpl listen here you commie *****. China is likely to starve itself out of existance with all the rateyed people you're breeding. In a few years time your people will be lying in the gutter starving and choking to death on the fumes of all the coal you're burning. Chaiman Mao will be sucking western dick begging for aid and a cure to SARS / Bird Flu.. Imagine this... A gay magazine with a picture of Chairman Mayonaise getting ***** by Bush and Blair.. How funny!
China is the armpit of the world and we should have wiped you off the face of the earth whilst you were all still scrubbing about in your paddy fields. One day you ignorant Chinese twits will rue the day you ever dared question the Wests superority..
Ching CHong Chinaman tried to milk a cow, Chin Chong Chinaman didn't know how, Ching Chong Chinaman pulled the wrong tit, Ching Chong Chinaman covered in *****.
Basically China was caught trying to fiddle with the west. We got pissed of and sent several Trident submarines to wipe you off the face of the earth. - Postoasted, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This isn't spying. It's smuggling doesn't anyone know the difference?
- fan0616, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Communism...it's GRRRREAT!
- GrahamStw, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Hiroshima and Nagasaki were industrial centerpieces of japans war effort, the citizens there were helping the war effort for japan."
Uh-huh... true, both cities had industry and their citizens were helping the war effort. But that could be applied to any city in any country involved in WWII. Is that the only justification required to indiscrimanately massacre over two-hundred thousand civilians?
The Geneva Convention, signed in 1949 (four years after the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki) states:
"Civilians are not to be subject to attack. This includes direct attacks on civilians and indiscriminate attacks against areas in which civilians are present."
The bombings are "crimes against humanity", a charge that the Allies themselves defined and used at the Nuremberg trials when sentencing Axis war criminals after the war.
No-one will ever be charged though, obviously. The victors write the history books and these atrocities (along with other allied war crimes, such as the British firebombing of Dresden) will always come under the chapter on "Neccessary Evils".
Another case of "It's okay for us to break the rules because we are the 'good guys'"?
(For the record I'm British and for the most part I am proud of our conduct during WWII, as most Americans are too. But I'm not so blindly patriotic that I can't see that war tends to bring out the devil in everyone.) - tibby.dude, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1China already funds the US deficit so they might as well order direct from the Pentagon :).
Notice how Bush stated that he will defend Israel against Iran but is rather silent on China and Taiwan.
I guess democracy is indeed measured in oil and dollars - spiffyman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Digg is filling up with more and more political morons every day. I almost can't tell the difference between digg and the insipid flame wars on Yahoo discussion boards.
"Bush is a chimp!" "U.S. NSA spying = China stealing military technology"
Which do you think is a greater threat? When China attacks Taiwan you'll all be whining about Bush not preventing it.
Grow up. - SirNuke, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Everyone spys on everyone else, including their friends.
Though not everyone steals military gear and ships it back to their home country. In all seriousness though, the stuff they are taking isn't that new. A lot of countries' militaries have F-16, and quite possibly a lot of them would be willing to buy F-16s and sell them descretly to China. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Does everyone see how Bush-pussies handle situation? If this was a poor, incapable country, George Bush and his band of retard-homophob-religious-cultists would declare it an act of oooooh TERRORISM. And the U.S. would talk tough and act all belligerent about it. What cowards Republicans are. What a pack of gutless nancy-boy *****. They will let China rape their daughter at the breakfast table while they eat, but if a tiny, poor country that can be exploited for oil pisses in the wrong direction; we're ***** going to WAR. Do any of you stupid Bush supporters ever think CHINA could have WMDs? Anyone ever cross paths with that idea? You stupid *****. Only cowards attack the weak while letting the strong get away with the same *****. Its an embarrassment. ***** off.
- da_bradler, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1yeah china is the next world superpower to make trouble, for sure, they need oil and there going to get it one way or the other, there just trying to get there army up to par with ours and everybody else so they can hold there own
- quellish, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This is bizzare considering we already sold them Blackhawks years ago.
- HarryBauzonia, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@GeneHACKman
Please. If you hate the U.S. and all it stands for please leave. You don't deserve to be here. It's attitudes like yours that are bringing this nation to its knees, not any threat from China. My fear towards China isn't so much about what they may do to us, but what we will allow them to do. I fear that when it comes time to fight our country will be full of unpatriotic cowards who spout garbage like multi-culturalism and tolerance, and think they should be able to negotiate our way out of anything. If people like you become the majority, whoever does go to war with us will hand us our asses.
In the meantime, maybe you could go appreciate the culture of North Korea. Maybe they'll even let you leave one day. Charles Jenkins could tell you about the best hotels. How about snuggling up with the peaceful Chinese government? After all they've never used a nuke so they must be gentle folk. Hugo Chavez is another peaceful non-power seeking type. I'm sure he'll wrap you in his communist cloak and feed you cookies.
Maybe you could travel Asia and tell Filipinos, Chinese, and Burmese how innocent the Japanese were in WWII. Actually, please don't take me seriously on that last sentence. I disagree with you, but I don't want you killed.
Yeah, we nuked Japan. We ended their brutal rule over Asia, stopped the raping and slaughter of millions (ever hear of the Rape of Nanking?), and brought peace in the Pacific. You got a problem with that?
When I visit the Philippines I'm treated like some kind of movie star because of the gratefulness those people still feel towards Americans. My father-in-law has no fingers. The Japanese cut them off one at a time with a bayonet when he was only fourteen. Innocent Japanese my ass.
Since WWII, this country has chosen to LOSE wars rather than bring out the nukes again. We could have easily wiped out Vietnam and chose not to do so. We have the ability to turn the middle east into a glass parking lot and choose not to do so.
How dare you spew poison against the United States when we're the very reason so many people in this world have any quality of life at all. Every nation is Europe is democratic now because we blazed that trail first. We obliterated Nazism. We pushed the Japanese back into Japan and stopped their genocide and brutality. You have your nice little computer and freedom of speech because what this country is and what it stands for.
And you have the gall to sit there at your keyboard and state that our country is no better than some third-world pigsty ruled by ruthless murdering bastards who have no wish to show mercy to any of us.
You don't deserve your freedom. - sdcdiggs, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1It wasnt China that was spying on us, it was Walmart!
- sastivoke, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Hmm..I wonder if everybody is still having the perception that China's military is outdated and their planes were made during the 60s-70s. Due to their extreme secrecy, I wonder what they might unleash in the future just like the Nazis during WWII. In the 1940s we saw the first jet fighters, V2 rockets and blah blah blah despite Germany's military being squeezed to dry. Now comes China with their space program and their endless supplies of scientists and engineers. In the US alone, I see a lot of Chinese students, teaching assistants and professors dominating top engineering colleges. Maybe they have developed space weaponry by now....Who knows....
- Berkana, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1For a nation that graduates over three times as many engineers as we do with a booming economy, they sure suck at innovating and coming up with their own technology.
China's not the next russia (Or more correctly, communism. Russia was not the threat so much as the Soviet Union was as the embodiment of communist ideology at work.). Islam is the next communism: aggressive expansionism and active export of militant revolutions meant to establish rule by their idiology found in their holy text (the Qur'an, rather than the Communist Manifesto) makes Islam the next communism. China is just an authoritarian country with military aspirations and plenty of nationalism. China is the next WWII era imperial Japan. - Sippi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"This isn't spying. It's smuggling doesn't anyone know the difference?"
Smuggling is when you are sneaking in a illegal substance from one place to another, such as drugs. F-16 engines, cruise missiles, and air-to-air missiles are high-end military technology which is being stolen so they can develop there own by reverse engineering all our technology, without doing the research and development themselves. In this case its not smuggling, it is spying. - Machismo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Damn Chinese, but this is hardly something new. I was anticipating french involvement from the start of the headline. Looks like I am correct.
Oh, and viewing America as the good guys is the natural response for people in the US and its allies. It is in our interest to promote America and its allies, same as it is in America's interest to promote British, Taiwanese, and etc interests. - blankman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0yeah anyone who is a poltical extreme (liberal or conservative) is basically just not smart enough to think for themselves. 99% of them are just tape-recorders anyway, spewing out stuff they've heard other people say (and actually believing it themselves too.)
- LunchB0x, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"No, the USA is the next Russia - ideologically paralyzed by conservative political correctness, and overtaken by a dynamic young-thinking society. If only we'd listened to Thomas Paine, our society would stil be young and dynamic. "
Brillant and True.
As far as the US being the good guys? Thats the retarded ideology that this statement refers to. "We're the good guys." is the most slanted bit of nationalism ever. What you don't think other nations in conflict don't think the same thing? As far as past wars go, the winners get to write history. - TheFoo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Everyone spies on everyone.
- ashika, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0as if we wouldn't sell china aircraft engines if they a$ked. we, americans, are total weapons sluts. we'll give it out to anyone.
- acidronin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Yes I would say that China is the next Russia. We should know that because of Tiananmen Square. And all that went on 15 years ago and the U.S. government is just now starting to realize that China could very well be the next Russia. Who has been running our government? God we need Reagen back.
- dickyducky, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Turkey is also CHINA or the MIDDLE KINGDOM's long-term enemy, been enemy for ~2000 years
- HarryBauzonia, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@blankman
Amen. I couldn't have said it better (and I didn't).
Digg on. - 5blocksfree, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0>> yeah china is the next world superpower to make trouble, for sure, they need oil
Here's some food for thought...China's government could literally LEAP ahead of the US by actually doing something that will lessen their dependence on it (i.e., come up with some new technology). The US populace are so habituated to getting a red hot poker shoved up their backsides by Big Oil, Inc. and related industries, that it has quite literally paralyzed a good deal of effort to locate and/or develop any real, long-term alternatives. - shade73, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0China denies people freedoms? Then I guess we're in trouble!! The US is denying people freedoms right now!! But if the ACLU has their way we'll have that taken care of in no time. Soon the American people will be (more) free to kill babies and old people. They will soon be able to have sex with animals and I would even venture to say a lower age limit on who it is legal to have sex with. In fact if carried to it's logical end you will be able to marry an animal (or divorce it, oh I'm sorry... him or her). Not to mention they will be able to kill anyone anytime, because there is no right and wrong. Also, to all of you 40 year olds telling me I'm wrong, don't worry, we'll make sure you're the first 70 year olds to go!! The young is where it's at, the old people serve no purpose! Death to the family and morals! Hoorah! Hey that's freedom right?
- blankman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0shade73----What freedoms don't you have right now here in the US? The freedom to look up kiddie porn without getting caught?
- dickyducky, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0hey, i m pretty sure unless CHINA got the military power to fight an at least THREE-FRONT war, they will jst love the status quo
1. Japan & Korea --- [THE EAST FRONT, long-term enemies]
2. Turkey++ --- [THE WEST FRONT, the islamic version of crusades]
3. Russia [annoyed neighbor of CHINA, instead of friend] - chicksdigme, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Countries spy on each other all the time. France and Isreali spies have been caught spying on the US. And we think of them as our closest allies.
So in the end, no one can be trusted.
Btw, we spy on China as well. - GrahamStw, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1"yes we spy on everyone but there is a difference, we are the good guys."
ROFLMAO... I'd really like to think you are joking... but if you do really think like this then I despair fro you and all your four-toed redneck children. -
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