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- soogy, on 10/12/2007, -18/+92'Cause, you know, terrorists are always phoning each other and saying "wazzup my homie, jihad 4 life. Let's bomb some buildings." Seriously, do you honestly believe that crap?
- BloodJunkie, on 10/12/2007, -17/+83Those who sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.
- stevex0r, on 10/12/2007, -12/+51So giving up rights that we have been granted under law is ok as long is it might possibly help to catch some bad people? ***** that, if we where going by your logic that means that I should have the right to rob banks in order to test a banks security and see if they can in fact stop me. If I am caught that means that I would be allowed to go home with no charges pressed if I stated that I was doing it in order to help the banks catch the real bank robbers. At what point does the government taking away rights to stop terrorist become terrorism itself.
- BloodJunkie, on 10/12/2007, -9/+40Oxygen, I'd rather be dead with liberty than alive without it.
- Saintlink, on 10/12/2007, -10/+36What I find more scarry is the people that think that this database can't be cross-referenced for political purposes or inside trading or whatever....
The room for abuse is unlimited and right now all we get in return for some honest answers is "just trust us".
How about hell no? No more powers until justified with proper oversight and prior knowledge. - Saintlink, on 10/12/2007, -4/+29Both the Democrats and Republicans in the Senate have known about this and have been briefed on this for awhile now. The only reason why it is coming to light is to make it look like they are going to get tough on the new potential CIA director. It is a complete farce. These people have sold the country out, Dems and GOP'ers alike. There has been no serious effort to get rid of or revise the PATRIOT act, so this sadly shouldn't surprise us.
Vote Independent this November. All Constitution hating' incumbents must go. Let's stop playing the party-line games and get the bastards out. - TennBikeBerk, on 10/12/2007, -8/+32I'd love to believe we had a fourth amendment. A fourth amendment that people stood behind, and that the government respected.
As Patrick Henry said: "Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!" - sfacets, on 10/12/2007, -3/+22Come on, stop blaming the government for everything - it's our fault for bitching about these things, and then not doing anything about them. We have become braindead techno zombies aabsorbing information and not reacting on it.
- Comrade, on 10/12/2007, -0/+17""Those who sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither."
What good is liberty if you're dead?"
The state motto of New Hampshire reads "Give me liberty of give me death". Was that not a central tenet to the American Revolution? Or does that apply only to New Hampshire? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -13/+30All in the name of "security." Outrageous, Facism at its' best.
- redDC143C, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt
I'm beginning to believe we are moving from the third to the fourth option. - yanked, on 10/12/2007, -5/+20"Those who sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither." - Ben Franklin
"What good is liberty if you're dead?" - "Oxygen"
This would be pretty funny if it weren't so widely echoed. Scary. - soogy, on 10/12/2007, -8/+20@starmanjones:
Oh, I see. Blame the previous administration for security issues, even though it occured a year and a half after the Republicans took office. For your information, Clinton had several terrorist camps and chemical weapons plants blown (no imaginary WMDs), which were related to al-Qaeda (as a response to the WTC bombing). He also authorized the assassination of Osama bin-Laden.
If anything, blame Clinton's administration for not acting on Rwanda. Other than that, I'd say he's pretty in-the-clear.
And blaming Mexicans for terrorism? Have you lost your mind? - kremvax, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Yeah. Bush won and America lost.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Remember remember the fifth of November...
- Flankk, on 10/12/2007, -6/+16"Those entrusted with great power have a duty to answer to Americans what they are doing,"
-- Sen. Patrick Leahy of Vermont
It's for the greater good, people.
And playing the 9/11 card is a cowardly way to instill fear and trust whenever the government violates the constitution. We wiretapped and logged all of you private conversations? It's to save you from terrorists!
The one raping you of your constitutional rights are the terrorists. Open your eyes. - kremvax, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10The fourth amendment. It's not so much the wiretapping that bothers me, as the outright lack of Warrants, And Oversight, judicial or otherwise. (And, if you're a fogey like me who paid attention in civics class, the outright lack of Probable Cause.) And for law buffs, the correlation of papers (rather than effects) to communication and transaction.
That, and unchecked, unaccountable power is downright unamerican. - mushoo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11They're using the the "Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon" theory. That is to say if you're the friend of the friend of the friend of the friend of a cousin of the landlord of someone suspected of being linked to terrorism, George W. Bush wants to know why you're closely tied with Al' Qaeda.
- roosh4, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13Funny how the white house is so obsessed with tracking telephone calls to "fight terrorism" when it can't even protect our borders or help deal with natural disasters (katrina).
- Miyazaki, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12I guess no one here watches The Colbert Report...
- RockTheWall, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Are you aware that impeachment requires a vote of Congress, which is currently controlled by the President's party? Apparently not, even though you voted for them.
- kremvax, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12It's not so much the wiretapping that bothers me, as the outright lack of Warrants, And Oversight, judicial or otherwise.
(And, if you're a fogey like me who paid attention in civics class, the outright lack of Probable Cause.)
That sort of unchecked, unaccountable power is downright unamerican. - OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9PALPATINE: Anakin, this afternoon the Senate is going to call on me to take direct control of the Jedi Council.
ANAKIN: The Jedi will no longer report to the Senate?
PALPATINE: They will report to me . . . personally. The Senate is too unfocused to conduct a war. This will bring a quick end to things.
ANAKIN: I agree, but the Jedi Council may not see it that way.
PALPATINE: There are times when we must all endure adjustments to the constitution in the name of security.
...
PALPATINE: The war is over. (applause) The Separatists have been defeated, (applause) and the Jedi rebellion has been foiled. We stand on the threshold of a new beginning.
There is a long period of APPLAUSE.
PADME: Well, this is the moment we discover if he intends to return the Republic to a democracy.
PALPATINE: In order to ensure our security and continuing stability, the Republic will be reorganized into the first Galactic Empire, for a safe and secure society which I assure you will last for ten thousand years.
There is a loud, sustained CHEER from the Senate. BAIL ORGANA and PADME sit, dumbfounded.
PALPATINE: (continuing) An empire that will continue to be ruled by this august body, and a sovereign ruler chosen for life . . .
The Senate CHEERS again. BAIL and PADME are devastated. PADME begins to cry.
PALPATINE: (continuing) An empire ruled by the majority . . . Ruled by a new constitution . . .
The Senate APPLAUDS.
PADME: So this is how liberty dies, with thunderous applause . . .
http://digg.com/links/The_Entire_Star_Wars_Episode_III_Script - Saintlink, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9I've choose to exercise all of the above. Well said.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11This fiasco goes much further in expanding said 'executive powers' and violating our rights than the domestic spying program which was uncovered last year. The action by the feds pretty much confirms the EFF's claims. The problem isn't that the NSA is spying, it's that the administration is not following the laws set forthe to do so such spying, by getting warrants (even after the fact). That is the problem here. They are breaking the law because they feel like it, and they believe they do not have to be accountable for doing so.
Video clips of the scandal here: http://www.codebot.org/articles/?doc=9360 - CheapDigWannbe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8It's the red scare (1920's and 1950's) all over again. Actually it's a lot better than it was then. History repeats itself, and war situations always give more power to the government... The scary thing is that it seems like government is kind of starting to like the area of war and terror too much. I hope this does not continue forever. But then what would happen in the world without US acting as this weird police. Hmm...
- thesbian12, on 10/12/2007, -6/+13I concur. They overthrow democratically elected governments, they sponsor and train terrorist agents all over the world, they send US citizens to secret camps all over Europe and in Cuba and tortue them (sometimes ending in peoples' deaths) they execute often innocent people, and rig the justice system to unproportionally punish minorities and the poor... the list goes on...
Taliban fighters and remnants of the republican guard are called "enemy combatants" thus negating their status as belonging to recognized armed forces. numerous military and paramilitary organizations in the united states do not follow the rules of their own agencies and organizations. The bush administration has done A LOT to a lot of innocent americans. not to mention the fact that revoking my right to do or say something I should be able to do (even if I'm not punished for saying/doing it), is still a rights violation and should be punished. Grow up IpodCrazy. Think critically about the actions of your government. - Saintlink, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Given the unchecked corruption of both current parties, the last thing they need is more powerful tools to lord over the population. Government has reached outlandishly large sizes, such that it has become unmanageable and highly prone to rot. Granting the Federal boys any more leverage is a bad idea. The founding fathers didn't want a monarchy, but this type of system would be a great tool to have in the event that such an unscrupulous person came to power.
- redDC143C, on 10/12/2007, -7/+14"How many times are the democrats and the media going to try to get people to hate Bush? He isn't running again!!"
Do you think re-election is what is driving this?! It's the god damned constitution being thrown around like a rag-doll inside a pit bull's cage.
*****. You piss me off.
Hmm.. seems the poster revised his words a bit. Here is what he said, and how I responded :p - Yuffie, on 10/12/2007, -20/+27That’s the Bush administration for you, they terrorize the US more then anyone.
- Everglow, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6The right to complete privacy, and the right to justice in court. The laws are currently that nothing personal about you such as this can be extricated without a warrent. The Bush administration overlooked that law, giving themselves power that they do not have.
- lpferris, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9You honestly think that "terrorist cells" are the enemy? Open your eyes, my friend.
- kremvax, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Right. And illegal, unconstitutional acts by a corrupt government are good for democracy how?
- ditangquan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7http://papersplease.org/gilmore/ is an interesting story, this geek tried flying without ID...which is actually in your rights. How do you think he did?
You DON'T have to show ID at the airport. You do, I do. We are lemmings and don't deserve our freedoms. - rahilpatel, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7I do not trust this government, their policy seems to be keep America scared so that people are distracted from everyday things that are just plain wrong (9 trillion dollar debt anyone??, increasing trade deficit??, falling dollar??, record household debt??, heck 50 year mortgages...)
Use VOIP, hopefully it'd be ages before they start tracking that.... - antoniojvr, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Question (I I don't mean this in a sarcastic way or anything of the sort) but what constitutional right does this impede on?
- TalenGTP, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10That aluminum foil helmet keeping the mind control rays at bay?
- Saintlink, on 10/12/2007, -8/+14Not everyone from an Arab nation is a terrorist. They come in all flavors and super-profiling will only lead other races/profiles to sneak in unoticed. The spies should go back to their original job, spying overseas so we don't have to worry what is happening at home.
This current administration and Congress lets 750,000 people through our borders illegaly every year. Before we have one more wiretap we need to build a damn wall or actually pull the National Guard in Iraq and have them defend the Homeland. Our Homeland. - jguy584, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6I'm sure its bad when you feel that your government would be ***** their pants if people started stressing that Americans exercise their constitutional rights.
- mtdemind, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9This is not oppression. Oppression is the systematic subjugation of a population whose goal is to remove the means of said population to affect change in it's leadership, or other hierarchical structures of power.
What this is, however, is a rights violation, and a horrible one at that. Unfortunately the United States Government has decided that, rather than trust that civil liberties will produce a healthy population, that we are all untrustworthy and need to be monitored.
For shame, NSA and those not actively moving to stop this nonsense. - Saintlink, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Federal Income Tax. The biggest mistake this country has ever made.
The 16th Amendment of the United States Constitution, authorizing income taxes in their present form, was ratified on February 3, 1913.
Who do you think is going to do a better job at taking care of your money? Your local town, state or the feds?
We are a nation that is supposed to be stated-centered federalism, not a unitary government.
That's the difference. - ucbrave92, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5it's all the same people, there is no liberal or conservative anymore. i mean hell murdoch is funding hillary now. so i guess all you little sheep that "support the president" will be screaming at anyone who doesn't support hillary in 2008 calling them liberal because the mainstream media told you to. this has been going on forever, it began amping up under Clinton and now it is in overdrive under Bush.
- Soldan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6all this is happening because...americans as a whole just dont care..as long as you keep showing american idol and survivor.. the country is pacified..
this level of tracking is disturbing...because it can be used to track down anyone that does not think in the manner of the current administration...terrorist is a real loose term.. as it stands now they could accuse you and lock you up with no chance of getting out .. not likely but possible..
there are ways of avoiding terrorism..stop propping up regimes...dont provide military "advisors" and let countries govern themselves... in cases of genocide do not wait 20 years after the fact to do something...
if the government is so good at finding mobile wmd labs....why cant they find all those damn mobile meth lab in this country...sheesh - Saintlink, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Too much government power is a bad thing. It doesn't matter if it was Clinton or Bush to me. We have the right and obligation to defend our country from attacks on its most sacred document. If you wish to believe that our folks in Washington are "pulling together" for the good of the country I suggest you start reading some of the legislation they pass.
DC = Rotten to the core. - neozeed, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9you mean diebold selected him... well really its the electorial college. Aren't republics snazzy? Although I always wonder whenever we 'install' a government why dont we install republics?
- shinynew, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6@ucbrave92
I think that the towers were built a tad diffrently then what you are used to...
and i tried your 15 min thing and i can honestly say I did not hear one thing about either subjects, i dont know what channels you watch....
Bush can also only stay in power untill 2008, then the public may be competely feed up with him that the deocrats take over the govt, and unless they are in on the conseiracy i dont think we are in that much big trouble yet. - bastardoperator, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5You obviously don't possess a JD.
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
A wiretap is a search... Collecting private information like your phone records would be considered "papers"... read the constitution again. - mooseboy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6The people don't write laws, nor would they ever be interested enough to do so. Corporations and special interest groups do by bribing politicians.
- OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Who sent the Anthrax letters?
- Saintlink, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4What about the privacy policies that you were promissed when you signed up with your telco service? Lies are lies. Crooks need to be called on them. Nuff said.
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