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- Albionshores, on 10/11/2007, -8/+102People believe a police state is when the police stop you from doing things. It is not, it is when everything is allowed to be policed, with the power of stopping you when they so wish.
This IS a police state. - b1gg33k, on 10/11/2007, -2/+52Frontline is one of the few news shows I trust to be generally accurate and fair. The entire show that this interview was conducted for is available to view on the web site. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/homefront/view/
- jase71ds, on 10/11/2007, -4/+54@ ccamen
"yea, Who cares?"
You should.
We are gliding down a slippery slope just like the people of Germany experienced 75 years ago.
Put a frog in hot water and he will immediately jump out. Put him in warm water and increase the temperature slowly and he will sit complacently and let you boil him.
Erosion of rights is often not instantaneous. It is more often gradual, which makes it more destructive, not less. - ButterBuddha, on 10/11/2007, -5/+51and yet we still elect those who take away our freedoms...
"When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross" - Sinclair Lewis - damonic, on 10/10/2007, -3/+34No wonder the administration wants PBS shut down...
- Dumbledorito, on 10/11/2007, -1/+24Why do you think they call it "warrentless wiretapping?"
- acid0426, on 10/11/2007, -4/+27I think Mark Klein might get a little visit by the IRS, FBI, and Secret Service as a result fo this interview.
- Clawg, on 10/11/2007, -3/+20Yeah, but someday Canada gets internet access, too.
- jennamalia, on 10/11/2007, -0/+16Wired Magazine's interview with Klein: http://www.wired.com/politics/onlinerights/news/2007/05/kleininterview
Supporting documents provided by Klein: http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2007/05/mark_klein_docu.html (Of course, there are also many more relevant links on those pages, too). - JoelHill, on 10/10/2007, -2/+17Thank you Mr. Mark Klein for coming forward.
- goffy59, on 10/10/2007, -6/+20For all who say "If I'm not doing anything wrong, why care". Please leave my country you neocon *****. Its people like you who supply power to these criminals in our government. America is going down the rapid hole!
- tech42er, on 10/11/2007, -3/+16No wonder the government liked it when NS&A had a monopoly.
- Pootle4rthur, on 10/10/2007, -1/+13I bet lots of the Canadian internet traffic goes through US hubs
being foreign they're already well within their rights to monitor it, and keep logs of you
It's not all that comforting as when the US behaves like a piece of *****, the rest of the world's governments generally use it as a blue print - SevenineO, on 10/10/2007, -1/+13This is a MUST read article! Don't just read the title description and the comments.
- OBKenobi, on 10/11/2007, -2/+13[quote]with the power of stopping you when they so wish. [/quote]
Such as if you choose to vote for the "wrong" candidate. - nickwebb, on 10/10/2007, -1/+10Dunno why people think Bush is the cause. Freedoms have been eroding away in this country for the last hundred years, maybe more. I'm only aware of the massive changes that started in the late 1800's / early 1900's.
I don't want to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but there is a definite pattern: Government seizes more power than the public allows, the public gets pissed, the government slinks back a little, and gets greedy again a decade or two later when it's faded from the public's memory. Over and over.
You could wonder if this is just mankind's greedy nature and thirst for power by each generation of representatives or if it's all carefully planned by an unseen entity(ies). Doesn't really matter.
If you try to guess where the pattern will continue, and look through history, you'll see that things are still going to get far, far worse for another 50 years or more. People are going to have to be starving and dying on a large scale, and have nothing to lose, before they'll force a change.
Until that time, we'll all sit back and watch it happen. Let it happen.
Or move to Canada. - DarkDragon, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9NSAT&T:
Your world. Delivered. To the NSA. - evil-doer, on 10/10/2007, -1/+9who the hell would digg this guy down? (it is at the time of me posting this). if thats not reason enough to believe theres government paid people here, what is? who the ***** wants a statement like that hidden?
- ShogunWarPig, on 10/11/2007, -2/+10Duct tape?
- outlaw686, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7Really even in Canada, I don't think I'm safe, seeing as most, if not all of Canada's traffic goes through the states and Rogers, a major Canadian Telecom company owns 33% of at&t, in fact at one time it was called Rogers at&t.
- growlbear, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8So every iPhone activation gives 2 years of support to the company who sell out the public?
- Dumbledorito, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8And that we see that as "normal" is what's truly scary.
- ShogunWarPig, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8Sad isnt it.
- Jadix, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7So lets digg this and then grab some coffee! We'll let someone else handle this.
- rodbibeau, on 10/11/2007, -3/+9The first rule of the secret room is
- jaredvolkl, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7This disgusts me. Why and how do we as a country stand for this kind of treatment?
- Jookly, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7That was a great read thanks. Dugg.
- Randinn, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7Stay that way ignoramus...
- jdaniel284, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7It is time to fight back.
- AlanJV, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6Lets hope that the mainstream media grows a pair and decides to cover this story.
- airwalkery2k, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6Crap, and I just read that whole interview. And I'm a slow reader!
- SirBotchness, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4keep on buying those iphones drones
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -2/+6Hey in the 70's they had one room in DC that all the long distance phone calls in the nation were tapped into and recorded if they thought there was something big going on in one area of the nation they could pull the plug on all long distance calls in and out to keep a lid on things. It's all about controlling people.
- LakeshoreBaby, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5Hey, this just showed up on Digg. AT&T can not respond to allegations of spying because it would violate national security.
http://digg.com/security/In_case_you_weren_t_really_sure_AT_T_really_is_spying_on_you
http://www.att.com/gen/press-room?pid=4800&cdvn=news&newsarticleid=22372 - lntrigue, on 10/11/2007, -4/+8ron paul
- KielKilla, on 10/10/2007, -3/+7That doesn't make any sense. Read what you write.
- faskill, on 10/10/2007, -2/+6lol
- Pootle4rthur, on 10/10/2007, -4/+7I'm just waiting for the massive neo-con influx of people saying if you've nothing to hide, you've nothing to worry about
may I just point out in advance, that today's utterly legal and above board activity or interest can be swiftly turned into tomorrow's illegal and subversive behaviour.
You don't know what you have to hide until someone is looking to pin it on you - Dumbledorito, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4Fallacy. If being a corproation was efficient, they wouldn't ever go out of business. Also, corporations are what brought us Enron, the S&L crisis, overinflated payouts from taxpayers to contractors in Iraq, etc.
I'm not saying that government or business are inherently evil: PEOPLE are what make them so. Until you can remove falliable, greedy, or selfish people from the equation (or have structures in place making wrongdoing difficult, easily detected, and harshly punished), you're going to get corruption in every human endeavor. - nakani, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4This is why we need a strict constitutionalist like Ron Paul in office... we need to scale back the government's power DRASTICALLY! This year is our best chance and if we don't act now we're just ***** ourselves.
- lrthomp, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4"Of course"??
Our government is of the people, for the people, and by the people. American people are spying on each other. Can you be certain they are less interested in you as a terrorist than as a political opponent? Have you said anything publicly that's unpopular? Have you written anything on the Internet objecting to government corruption, incompetence, or policy? Would you feel more or less safe if your name and data were on someone's screen in an NSA site, and this site further split the data signals with other interested parties, such as incumbent politicians and their campaigns?
My tank of trust is on empty, and I don't feel like giving it all to our present government. - thall, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Lead the way!
- nakani, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4It doesn't just affect AT&T customers. The article states that internet traffic from other major telecoms (such as Qwest) gets routed through and tapped into.
- outlaw686, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4I'm sorry you don't understand the situation, basically EVERYTHING goes through at&t's networks even in Canada, if i do a trace route, EVERYTHING GOES THROUGH AT&T.
- turbomofo, on 10/10/2007, -3/+6The US Government IS a corporation
- Yinepuhotep, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Dude, even if I agreed with you, I wouldn't be able to tell, because your posts are reading like open mic night at the free association poetry slam.
- LakeshoreBaby, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4It's not for capturing pirates. It's for finding out who wants the criminal elite out of power.
- thall, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Don't hold your breath!
- en4ian, on 10/11/2007, -5/+8How do we fix it?
- LakeshoreBaby, on 10/10/2007, -4/+7The spying is not for piracy or terrorism. It's for finding out what Americans want the criminal elite out of power.
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