What is Digg?99 Comments
- creepyjoke, on 10/12/2007, -7/+43I think it's an interesting experiment. If this story gets modded up and disappears from the front page, I'm definitely dropping digg. Digg staff "disappearing" articles voted up by its users, is equivalent to totalitarian rule. I'm very disappointed.
- applespice, on 10/12/2007, -7/+36Consider the experiment validated, BigBrother is watching (and censoring) -- here's proof:
http://digg.com/rss/containertechnology.xml
The links that do NOT appear on digg, but are in the RSS feed:
http://digg.com/programming/Reddit_com
http://digg.com/tech_news/Sense_of_humor_failure_at_Digg
http://digg.com/programming/Recursion_defined_see_reddit
Anyone else feeling a bit betrayed? - jerrygofixit, on 10/12/2007, -4/+33It's not lame, the last article from reddit.com got the user banned. I'm curious to see what happens with a competitor site if it makes it to the front page of digg.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+27Childish compared to a username like 'lay the smack down'?
- jaxn, on 10/12/2007, -1/+25Maybe I have been living in a cave, but I didn't know what Reddit was. Thanks!
- James_Aguilar, on 10/12/2007, -4/+28I'm done with digg.
- bugbear, on 10/12/2007, -2/+23This is actually a good test of digg. Presumably digg's official justification for censoring previous stories that linked to reddit was that they were not legit content that would be interesting to digg readers. But reddit, as the other big collaborative news site, should obviously be interesting to digg readers. So if they digg staff censors this story, I don't see what justification they could possibly claim.
- jayadelson, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17This post was just brought to my attention. Let me be clear on this:
1) If Digg deletes a story outright, it's for a TOS violation (SPAM, etc.), and it can NOT be found/searched/commented on again. In this case, this story was buried by the users, not deleted by us.
2) If a user is banned, it could be from automatic reporting of a user (including user blocks) or it could be as a result of repeated SPAM posting, etc. If a user was banned, we obviously cannot comment on it. Yes, we can ban a user manually, but it is only done in cases of TOS violation where our systems haven't already done it. If there is a mistake, we do everything we can tor reverse it upon notification.
3) You are all correct. Digg is missing the ability to understand why a story was buried (i.e. what type of buries were used to bury it and by what percentage), as well as the opportunity to reinstate the story after the fact. We know this, and we're working on developing this feature. Transparency is important to us, so we'll continue to focus on making it happen.
As for this particular story, bear in mind that Digg users tend to react poorly to any form of promotion (i.e. non-news). Perhaps we should create links again...
-Jay - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15Total BS, the "search" function doesn't even show this article exists.
- joelthelion2, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15Ok, the story has been buried. Check it out, it's not in the incomming queues anymore, even though it should be, and in a pretty good position.
So I guess digg's idea of democracy is that popular stories are promoted, unless some people don't like them. If that is the case, they are pulled off without warning based on some arbitrary criterion. Pretty cool :-( - joelthelion2, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16"There is no way the people running Digg will drop the story"
Mmm, they just did :) - cower, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13I don't see much problem with it. It's just another way to get information 'out there.' If you find something on Reddit that you didn't on Digg, or vice versa, then you win, they win, etc. and everybody is still happy.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11eh, I guess so, that's what I figured would happen.
I wanted to see if they would pull something that would potentially be of interest to digg users, since the other one that got buried was a bit of a joke. One that amused me, but it was still a joke. - TheSavageNation, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10The reason i am interested in this story is that several people with conservative viewpoints have been banned. I am just wondering how and why this is happening.
- applespice, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12@aboutblank
I wish that were the end of the story, but that doesn't explain why they'd BAN a user's account. http://www.jgc.org/blog/2006/07/sense-of-humor-failure-at-digg.html
Doesn't this trouble you? I mean, this kind of thing runs against everything digg stands (stood) for. - connman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10That's ridiculous, the reddit team never hides stories just because they disagree with them. Stories about digg aren't popular on reddit because they are (obviously) not as relevant to the community, but they're never filtered. For example, the launch of Digg Stack and Swarm was on the front page of reddit the other day.
- adam.skinner, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10The policy makers at digg should be ashamed of themselves.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9It's not in the incoming queues because it should be on the front page
Check my profile.
http://digg.com/users/Greattastic/homepage - thaislump, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Yup: it's the top story in Digg's main RSS feed http://digg.com/rss/containertechnology.xml and therefore up on popurls and any other aggregator. In addition, a simple search for "reddit" http://digg.com/view/technology?s=reddit yields no results. Pretty damning.
- mckirkus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Agreed, this will be my last visit to Digg (if they haven't already banned me).
- brentzilla, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Umm guess again. It appears in the RSS feed for top Tech story right now (which is how I got here) but does not appear at all on the page.
- vonnie, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Isn't it the task of digg users to determine what is interesting and what not?
- jayadelson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7What I can reveal is that at least once component of this is a sliding scale based on the number of diggs.
- bhagany, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7One wishes you knew what the hell you were talking about. Maybe you're looking in the "new" section?
- demigod186, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7yes, that is the point.
- MagicalTrevor2, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7It's all happened with Scientology articles as well (sysrpn's and my submission, for example...)
- daveboudreau, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Well at this point, I'm sure digg is well aware of the negative feedback they have been getting all day for booting the user that posted the original reddit article so of course they are going to keep this on the front page, if only to show that they are not editing whats being dugg and what gets put on the front page.
- wingsofseraphim, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6I have to say that I'm loving reddit right now. Just discovered it a couple weeks ago from a blog I frequent. But how do you know it's not just die-hard digg users that are burying these stories. I don't claim to know all that much about the inner workings of digg, but it does seem possible that some immature digg users might bury a reddit story the instant it comes on the front page, which would explain why it is on the front page in the rss feed, but still buried.
Just playing devils advocate really :D - hotpepper, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5As of right now, popurls.com lists this story still.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Yes, you've been in a cave!
- Estazor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Yea i don't see this on the frontpage but I just read it on feeddemon....
What is this Digg slipping? - cmw72, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Digg should add a "Who Burried This" section to the "Who Dugg or Blogged This" page.
That might quell some of the conspiracy theorists. - creepyjoke, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Doesn't explain why the user's account was banned.
http://www.jgc.org/blog/2006/07/sense-of-humor-failure-at-digg.html - Apodyopsis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5If digg keeps this stuff up I'm going to stop using it.
- samd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I had only ever glanced at reddit before. I have looked more closely since that recursive joke was dumped from digg and I am really impressed. It is a very nice site. I will check back there for news.
- sexburger, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Since this article was buried, wouldn't it help to show as such at the top of the comments page???
A "Who buried this" link would also help explain anomalies like this. - tadpole256, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4It's an interesting experiment, but it's too obvious I think. There is no way the people running Digg will drop the story, it would hurt them too much over all. Maybe this will help drive the point home.
Don't get me wrong, I am a HUGE Digg fan, and I only learned about Reddit earlier today... - YourM0m, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I often notice stories on http://tail-f.net/ that were from the digg rss feed are suddenly nowhere to be found on the digg website. It's very odd indeed.
- bhagany, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Sooo... reddit doesn't appeal to your aesthetic sensibilities, which means that it less functional and easy to use? You're going to have to connect the dots for me a little better than that.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7I guess Kevin's emo is getting the better of him.
- jayadelson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3In general, privacy issues. However, if you want to know what is ok and what is not ok, look to two sources: The TOS and the rest of the users, who click the little "block" button next to each user in the comments.
- bhagany, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4It's also truly hilarious watching the Digg fanboys claim special knowledge of how the stories got buried, when they don't know themselves. People are legitimately wondering about this. If all these stories got buried, it happened AWFULLY fast, and I'm talking under a minute. That's a lot of people burying the story in a very short amount of time. I'm not saying that it couldn't happen, but it certainly does give the impression that it's automatic or that a switch is being manually thrown.
- feanor512, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Reddit will be better than Digg until Digg adds an equitable digg down option. It's unfair that users have to give a reason to bury a story but not to digg one.
Do diggs and buries even count equally? - ArchieAndrews, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3By the way, One of the times I was banned, it was by an automatic system in place. They also explained to me that there are other automatic systems to disable an account in the event that a user's story is reported enough times as, for example, spam. So, if enough folks reported his story as spam, an auto system would disable the account.
You get no warning but an email to abuse@digg.com or support@digg.com usually calrifies why the account was disabled and what to do to get it reinstated.
I know it doesn't really fall in line with the desire to paint digg with a "fascist" brush but simply asking a few simple questions might have sorted out they "whys" here. - sexburger, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3If anything, this story applies to programming because it (potentially) uncovered a bug on how their rss feeds are generated, which would explain why the story appears in the rss feed and not on the main page.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4The community/comments aspect of digg is WAY overrated. This is just further evidence of that.
- antic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Until they add a feature to show who buried a story or comment, we have no way of knowing, whether digg staff, digg users or Reddit staff or fans did this. It's possible that digg staff did it, but it's just as likely that Reddit staff did it as a sly PR stunt -- "Look how much digg sucks and how cool we are".
- Apodyopsis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The article here is talking about how reddit is a site programmed similar to digg. It is testing to see if digg censors articles pertaining to its own integrity; and not only in a bashing way, this is all completely neutral.
- creepyjoke, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Doesn't explain why the user's account was banned.
http://www.jgc.org/blog/2006/07/sense-of-humor-failure-at-digg.html - shogunu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2No, he clearly means emo :D
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