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- Zippo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+27@fkr2
Getting IE to support anything resembling a standard is an arduous task...
How long did it take for IE to support alpha channels in PNGs? - Xilon, on 10/12/2007, -2/+20You could always do the "proper" thing and display different things depending on the browser and its capabilities. If SVG graphics are necessary or helpful then it's better to use them right? Non-IE browsers are gaining market share so you might as well show SVG for Firefox but not IE.
- tempusrob, on 10/12/2007, -5/+20Yea, how lame of Firefox to implement an open standard! Next thing you know, they'll have CSS3 support or something. Opera practically *invented* CSS3. Pathetic!
- digguh, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12Code has been restructured to be cleaner, easier to maintain, *smaller memory footprint*, and for increased performance.
- pablasso, on 10/12/2007, -6/+15they should address the long tenured hog memory issue instead
- jer2eydevil88, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13I love Firefox because it works so well. It even makes us Windows and Mac users appreciate O.S.S.
- tempusrob, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9You make it sound like it's a single issue.
These things get resolved over time. Almost *every* release has addressed some sort of memory issue.
And it's not all on the FIrefox team's shoulders, either. Until extension writers start debugging their work a little better there's always the risk of "hog memory" issues. - rowanjl, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10So? They're just doing that we want them to do, is that a crime?
You don't need to spam every single Firefox/Mozilla related discussion with your pro-opera crap. Unless you do it because you want to look like a fool... then you've been one hundred percent successful! - Brokenmonkey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Can't wait for version 3, Die IE Die.
- Eoxx, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6@ fkr2
"it doesn't really matter what FF does with SVG.Get Adobe to get MS to ship SVG plugins ..."
I do prefer to have a browser that install with less than 10Mb and include everything needed to display a page (SVG included) than to dl very high size adobe plug-ins..
And SVG could be used for designing interfaces .. So giving it available give a boost t o developping site with that technology .. Not to mention that those new technology are recommandation as standards ... Putting all standard in one box makes sense ... even if you don't use it right now .. - lumbergh, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5fkr2:
Yeah, because it never pays to develop a feature before M$ catches up to it. WTF kind of logic is that?!?! The whole reason anything gains marketshare ANYWHERE is because it is being developed faster/better than its 900lb-gorilla competition. And that's the only thing that makes that gorilla change. SO I fully support full SVG development in Firefox. - DaedalusvX, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"It even makes us Windows and Mac users appreciate O.S.S."
Mac users should already appreciate the value of OSS just from turning their Mac on and using it for 5 minutes. Whether they do or not is another issue entirely. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5"No, but from what the story says, it seems that Firefox is pioneer in all these implementations. This is not true. Opera has a small market share percentage because many people think there are still ads."
@calande:
Crap, crap, CRAP! Nowhere in the referenced article could I find any hint that Firefox pioneered this. It's a progress report. You're actually just using this as an excuse to wibble on about your favourite browser. Face it, pal: Opera is irrelevant to most people interested in reading about Firefox progress. Technically, Opera is a great browser but Open Source it isn't. Firefox, on the other hand, is Open Source which makes it more relevant to me.
You're probably a nice guy but please stop with the trolling. - neko, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5I've never found FF to be that much of a hog. I doubt it leaks memory too.
The various extensions, they might 'leak' some memory by keeping handles of more data structures than they should. But I run FF for weeks at a time, without crashes or restarts.
As for total memory footprint... I think everyone got used to comparing it to IE6. Which didn't have tabs. Think about all the tabs you leave lying open in these glorious new days of tabbed browsing, and the history for each tab. I've got 12 open right now, and some of those I haven't touched in days. - centinall, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Is it reasonable to expect Adobe to continue supporting SVG now that they own Macromedia's flash? I know they're not the same thing but it's often that I've heard them compared.
- deathguppie, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3actually SVG is already implemented in Firefox, but is a little buggy. Try these examples here to see what you can do with it.
http://www.croczilla.com/svg/samples/
It is possible to do a lot of the same kind of basic web animations that are done with Flash. My next web page will have SVG in it. I'm going to build it this week. :) - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1the above is no longer true
- scratched, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3because 3.0 will (or at least should) take less time to make than 2.0 did, thus eliminating the need for a 2.5 to fill the gap in time.
- mvent2, on 10/12/2007, -2/+31) This is only the first alpha. You won't see v3 until at least June 2007.
2) They're going to start showing some of the Firefox Flicks (remember those?) on TV. So that SHOULD help to some degree.
@scratched:
Firefox 3 actually took significantly longer, since work on v3 was done at the same time as v2 and will continue to be worked on. - spyres, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Nuke your firefox profile, uninstall and do a clean reinstall. I had the same issue and that fixed it right up.
- CaveDog, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Adobe has in fact announced that they are dropping support for the SVG plugin. Not sure what will happen when that becomes a problem. :(
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -9/+10Unless you're developing for a controlled environment (or Firefox/Opera only) it doesn't really matter what FF does with SVG.
Get Adobe to get MS to ship SVG plugins natively with IE and backwards via Windows Update *then* worry about new features. - KUKBAHLAM, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Yeah. I love FF2.0. Problem is that it locks every intel based/xp machine I own. From my p3 laptop to my dual core desktop. The desktop actually blue screens with a memory parity error. Tried all the suggested fixes but I can only manage a couple of hours before it crashes. My poor little laptop only makes it for 30 min or so. Earlier versions were a bit more stable. Now I am stuck with IE7. I will probably try the alpha soon as I have never been happy with IE. Bring back Mosaic..... something circa 1994.
- starwed, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1For what it's worth, mozilla first got some sort of SVG support before 2001.
It wasn't necessarily good, but mozilla definately pioneered native SVG in the browser space. - Chicito, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1For an early Alpha version, it's looking good so far in my opinion.
- yahoofrom, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1really?
- joeshlub, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1That's pretty cool. Not practical, but it demonstrates that there is some interesting stuff you can do with SVG
- jonnys5k, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=224965
That's an example of what you can do with SVG foreignObject now in Firefox 3. It's buggy (on Windows) but it's still pretty cool.
You can read a blog post about it here:
http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/roc/archives/2006/06/the_future_is_now.html - sarmatt, on 10/26/2007, -0/+0Firefox - cool
Opera - Sediment
http://artgalery.blogspot.com/ - tablatronix, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2I think i am finally switching to firefox. I think SVG is very promising and IEs lack of native support is very dissapointing. I want to be able to at least start using them, ive seen some amazing graphing and statistic stuff done with SVG.
- pabloD, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Run something other than Windoze. That should clear up most of your problems.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0The Adobe SVG Viewer (aka ASV) will be removed from adobe.com/svg over 2 years from now. Many Adobe products still support SVG. The new "Mars" uses it heavily even.
- eastwoodjans, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0still not released :(
- TonyCubed, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1@mvent
You are right, Firefox 3 has been in development for what, a year or something? Can't wait what the final product will be like! :) - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0http://digg.com/programming/The_Wii_Supports_SVG_in_its_Opera_Browser
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1You see, people think Opera is paid.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+4In this case, I don't believe market share has something to do with quality. It has more to do with browser history.
- baxtermaddux, on 10/12/2007, -4/+0"They're going to start showing some of the Firefox Flicks (remember those?) on TV. So that SHOULD help to some degree."
sounds good. i feel like i email everyone every couple of months preaching about how great life is in Firefoxland, and they all look at me like confused cows, and go back to munching their same old grass.
hopefully the commercials will help - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -11/+7If you like SVG news like this, keep an eye on http://svg.org
links: http://svg.startpagina.nl
world conference: http://svgopen.org - TonyCubed, on 10/12/2007, -10/+6Just because Opera implemented it first doesn't mean it's a better browser *looks at Market share*.
- comradeTJH, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1Opera cost money. Who spends money for a browser...? doh...
- Topher06, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1Wow, they are pumping out FireFox 3 pretty fast, maybe because 2.0 is a POS.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+0The Opera desktop browser is free, without adds and currently has the best SVG implementation. Also see http://dev.opera.com/articles/svg/
- stimpack, on 10/12/2007, -7/+2I am a little scared, FF gets bigger/slower/buggier every release. 3.0 should be a optimisation/bugfix release. Stop with the features till Firefox works properly.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -10/+4No, but from what the story says, it seems that Firefox is pioneer in all these implementations. This is not true. Opera has a small market share percentage because many people think there are still ads.
- baxtermaddux, on 10/12/2007, -11/+1it seems like no how much better Firefox is than Explorer, far too many people either don't know about it, or just haven't made the switch cause they are uninformed. i think Mozilla (or anyone else with a vestred interest in seeing Microsoft work a little harder for its monopoly cough*google*cough) should spend a little more time educating the public about the product than to continue to release obviously superior ones. and why are they jumping to 3 already without all the 2.5's and 2.5.02 releases?
- affiliate, on 10/12/2007, -12/+2Your right, firefox is the Swiss of the Operating System.
- baxtermaddux, on 10/12/2007, -14/+3Firefox is the Swiss Army Knife of operating systems
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -29/+4At last. Opera has had native SVG support since v.8. Mozilla always copies Opera.
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