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- RyeBrye, on 10/12/2007, -15/+121Yeah. It's sad they're still using CVS. Maybe if they used SVN they could retain lead programmers better ;)
- catoutfit, on 10/12/2007, -6/+105mysql_query("drop table `digg_comments`");
//EDIT ...I THOUGHT THEY'D LET ME DO THIS!!! - chaosmachine, on 11/02/2007, -3/+93religion and politics: ***** up the world for the rest of us.
- munkt0n, on 10/12/2007, -5/+67you can't do that here, try netscape.com ;)
- chaosmachine, on 10/12/2007, -10/+71don't digg him down, he's posting the real reasons why the guy left..
- sickaltima, on 10/12/2007, -3/+63Jani Taskinen
http://www.zend.com/person.php?handle=sniper - Snarfy, on 10/12/2007, -16/+73It's sad to see a coder just quit like that.
" p.s. Delete my CVS account. I have no use for it anymore."
Very sad. - inactive, on 11/02/2007, -17/+73You thought digg would let you run php code within the comments?
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Haaahahahahaaahahaaaahaahaahaha... - judgeFire, on 10/12/2007, -23/+70Apparently, he has served as a UN peacekeeper (like a lot of Finns) and the current Israeli policy simply was too much to swallow.
I'm not sure I can disagree. - Ottergoose, on 10/12/2007, -14/+57Come on guys. I didn't expect digg to execute the code, I just wanted to display the code. Give me some credit here...
- jameshales, on 10/12/2007, -12/+51I think it's pretty obvious that there are quite a few degrees of separation between the Israeli leaders when it comes to deciding who to attack, and and the founders of Zend Technologies, who just happen to be from Israel. I can't help but think that this is a really stupid protest.
- quine, on 10/12/2007, -5/+43From: http://www.zend.com/person.php?handle=sniper
Jani has contributed to php.net in the following ways over the last 12 months:
* as a lead developer for Zend Engine II
* as a lead developer for TSRM (Thread Safety Resource Management)
* by testing and maintaining the build for the PHP core
* by writing/maintaining tests for the standard functions in the PHP core
* as a lead developer for gd, a core extension
* by working as a developer on imap, a core extension
* by working as a developer on session, a core extension
* by working as a developer on sockets, a core extension
* by providing occasional fixes for the testsuite distributed with PHP
* by applying maintenance fixes to the underlying libraries in bcmath, pcre and xmlrpc
* by providing tests and occasional fixes for xml
* by providing occasional fixes for apache2filter, apache2handler, apache_hooks, cgi, cli, dba, dom, iconv, informix, isapi, ldap, mcrypt, mcve, mime_magic, msql, mssql, mysqli, mysql, ncurses, oci8, odbc, openssl, oracle, pgsql, recode, snmp, soap, sqlite, sybase, tidy and tokenizer
* by writing/maintaining tests for mbstring, mhash, pcntl, pspell, shmop and wddx
* by working as a developer on bugs.php.net - there, on 10/12/2007, -9/+47-----
"I heartily disagree. Who says the Isralis running Zend agree with Israel's policy? Isn't that stereotyping?"
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Even if his Zend employers were against the current war..... "nuke israel"? That's just as monsterous as the nutjobs that say "nuke Tehran". If I was his boss at Zend and he said that (although it's still heresy) I'd have fired his ass on the spot. - DanoG, on 10/12/2007, -9/+45There are some rumors that he left because of his frustration with the Israeli attacks (the people he works with are Israeli).
- KaserPro, on 10/12/2007, -29/+63If people actually care to lookup the meaning of Semite, they'd find that most people in the middle east are technically Semites. (Semite is a descendant of Shem, the father of Elam (Persia), Ashur (Assyria), Arpachshad or Arpachaxad (according to Josephus, Chaldea), from whom descended the Hebrews and Arabs, Lud (Lydia) and Aram (Syria))
so in short hes not actually being anti Semitic. he is being anti Israeli.
Seeing as how the man has been on the front line, who are we to judge his views, hes actually been there, and talked to the people of both sides.( and being Finnish, where they are conscripted, he'd probably know people who have been to Palestine)
on a side note, you must admire the supreme irony of the current situation. the Israelis have systematically pushed Arabs into ghettos (Gaza and the west bank) in terrible conditions, made worse totally sealing off the borders and starving the place of money, and systematically bomb what remains of the infrastructure (and you wonder why the youth are so keen to blow them selves up)
now If we compare the state of the infrastructure in Lebanon with Israel: Can Israel still function? yes, how many roads have been blocked by Hezbollah? none. how many have been blocked by Israel in Lebanon? Virtually all major roads from north to south, all roads linking Syria, blocking all ports.
I wouldn't mind if it was actually going to hurt Hezbollah, but it wont, they'll now have a long stream of people wanting to sign up and take revenge for the death of a family member. sure a few Hezbollah member will get hurt, but Israel has been thrown out of Lebanon by Hezbollah once before. (not saying it will happen again.)
In short the only people dieing here are innocent people. this will also rebound on America, as its sitting there doing nothing. and now al'qeeda are starting to get involved.
and surely before the Israelis start getting high and mighty about UN resolutions perhaps they should observe the ones aimed at them, like the removing of all settlements in the west bank. the destroying of the illegal nuke that they have, and so on.
in short the whole region is facing a huge ***** storm and the world cant do anything to avoid i, because the US are to stupid/ignorant/blind/fierce ally to see that if it all kicks off, the US are going to suffer the most.
its in all our interests to stop this, now, no matter what creed, race, religion, faith you are - EternalNY1, on 10/12/2007, -11/+44An attempt at ... client-side PHP ... in a forum.
And I thought I'd seen everything. - sockpuppets, on 10/12/2007, -3/+35You can also be a Jew and have nothing to do with Israel.
- sunchild, on 10/12/2007, -66/+96Good riddance. This guy sounds like a scumbag. Let's get a few things straight:
1. Israel has been fighting back against Arab aggression for over a half decade. Now they're being attacked by the Persians and the Arabs under the banner of anti-Semetic Islamism.
2. The meme that Israel is a belligerent occupying force is a lie. There is no such thing as Palestine--it is a proxy cause created in the wake of a war started by Arabs to cast the invading Arabs as the underdogs. If Palestinians are a people with a right to a state, then Jordan is as much an occupying force as Israel, since more "Palestinians" live there than in Gaza and the West Bank.
3. The UN is unequivocally biased against Israel for a number of reasons (as evidenced by this joker's rant). In brokering peace after the last time Hizballah attacked Israel, the UN assumed responsibility for disarming Hizballah. As you can see today, the UN turned a blind eye to Hizballah's further entrenchment and growth and stockpiling of Iranian weapons.
4. Hizballah is using UN positions to fire on Israel on the basis that Israel will be reprimanded for firing back. Similarly, Hizballah uses the civilian population to sheild its attacks. This common terrorist tactic depends on the cooperation of major media to cast Israel as in the wrong for returning fire. Please note that Hizballah has been firing on UN positions as well in recent days, but few media outlets are covering this.
Look, I understand that some people don't like Jews, as apparently is the case with this guy. It's his right not to like other people, no matter how unfounded his beliefs may be. What is totally inexcusable is to ignore the truth and perpetuate lies in order to confirm your beliefs. But don't take my word for it--do your own research. Read about the Middle East wars of the past century. Read about the Munich Games. Read about Arafat. Read about Hizballah and Iran. Then decide for yourself. - warmcat, on 10/12/2007, -24/+52@achile
Yow... whatever the rights and wrongs, used to strongly typed languages as I am, I have to say he shows his PHP roots with complaining about "jews". The actions are by the government of Israel. I don't doubt there are many people of the Jewish faith in Israel and elsewhere that disagree with it. There is no legal cast from (Israel) to (Jews), despite most people in Israel are derived from Jews.
For the record I think what goes on at the moment by Israel is bad news, that latest thing on a giant tower of bad news upon bad news, and I am not Jewish. - lebel, on 10/12/2007, -6/+33Don't confuse the being "against" a country's policies to being "against" someone's religion. I disagree with Isreal's policies; I'm not against their religion for that matter. That being said, "***** jews" could be considered anti-semite. "***** isrealis" would have been more appropriate. Them being Jews doesn't really matter to their policies, until it become a war based on religion.
- duck, on 10/12/2007, -10/+36@HPSauce
Hizbullah killed some Israeli soldiers in the process of kidnapping the two soldiers. There was violence - elephantdog, on 10/12/2007, -15/+41At least his guy has the courage to standup for what he believes in, unlike most sheep that just complain.
People can think whatever they want and quit for whatever they want. You think he owes you something? Don't think so.
World Patriot - FrankBattaglia, on 10/12/2007, -7/+31@HPSausce:
So Hezbollah jst asked two Israeli soldiers to come along nicely? 9 Israeli soldiers wounded and I believe 4 killed is not "no violence" in my book. Not saying I agree with Israel's response, but can we at least not sart revising history that's only two weeks old? - merreborn, on 10/12/2007, -3/+26Like DisembarkedOne was trying to say:
This guy was a Finnish UN peacekeeper in Lebanon for 6 months.
Israeli forces just killed a Finnish UN peacekeeper.
I can understand why he'd... be a bit emotional about that.
He said some pretty bad things, but I doubt he was expecting the conversation to be parrotted all over the net -- lord knows I've said some pretty horrible things on IRC I wouldn't want digg picking apart. - hadees, on 10/12/2007, -20/+42Did everyone miss he said "***** you Jews". This guy has gone beyond being against Israel's actions. That is full anti-semitism.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+29Despite how you see the guy and his political/religious/etc. views, it doesn't change that he's a good programmer.
- judgeFire, on 10/12/2007, -20/+41MEMO:
Anyone who gets upset by Israeli policy is an anti-semite and must be labeled psychotic and preferably a terrorist. Any criticism of acts of war performed by Israel, such as phone calls begging 'stop bombing us, we are UN' can be answered with heavy fire.
Using vernacular generalisations such as 'damn jews' allow for immediate branding as anti-semite, with no option for parole. Comparisons to the possible banality of other generalisations, such as 'damn republicans', 'damn democrats' or 'damn europeans' do not apply and can not be used in defence. These generalisations can be answered with heavy firing of random positions. - inkubux, on 10/12/2007, -6/+27That's really sad.
all I have to say it's thanks for you hard work over the last 6 years. - judgeFire, on 10/12/2007, -10/+30@jlang
All I'm saying is as an individual, one can feel powerless in face of the situation. He's not a citizen of Israel, so his ways of affecting Israeli policy are limited.
However, one may assume that if an Israeli company gets hurt by the ramifications of their nation's policy, this may then put pressure on their politicians. - LucasOman, on 10/12/2007, -3/+22I can't say I'm sad to see him go. He's always been headstrong and condescending to PHP users, even when bugs or inconsistencies are reported. I've rarely seen a comment from him that wasn't rude or sarcastic. Very unprofessional. Hopefully the next lead programmer will set a better example for the dev team there and the project will improve.
- quine, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19It gets even more interesting:
http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=192445&cid=15797829
...let the flame war ensue... - mtheadedfool, on 10/12/2007, -9/+26Um, actually it is a little like his family died overnight. If I understand things correctly (and I'm only basing this on other blog posts), Jani has served as UN peacekeeper in southern Lebanon and most recently Afghanistan. A fellow UN peacekeeper from Finland was recently killed by an Israeli strike [sidestep debate on the appropriateness of the attack]. I have no idea if Jani knew any of the peacekeepers who were killed, but he seems to be closely affiliated with them.
Criticizing the guy, especially since none of us seem to have the full story, isn't helpful to anyone. - mattmecham, on 10/12/2007, -11/+26His personal beliefs are fine.
Him quitting because he was unhappy with the Israeli situation is fine.
Signing off with "***** you Jews" isn't.
Quoting Hitler is never a good career move. - DisembarkedOne, on 10/12/2007, -12/+27he served as UN peacekeeper.. israel bombs a UN outpost.. kills 4... looks like it may have been intential... emotions gets the best of people... i dont know how many of you are outside the USA.. but it seems that the whole world (except for maybe the UK) that is not support israel tactics on this "mission"..
USA ofcourse being israel biggest support..
none the less.. very sad he left.. even more sad what he must be going through, and ofcourse the reasoning behind his decision... - kaon, on 10/12/2007, -11/+25Give the guy a break, he served as a UN peacekeeper himself, which is more than can be said of all the armchair generals around here. One of his coworkers got killed by Israeli bombs.
I would get pissed off too. - mutant, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15Technically, they were "Observers", not peacekeeprs. The illusion of "UN Peacekeepers" is pretty blown out of proportion. Let's ask people in Rwanda, Darfur, Bosnia, and Somalia just what the UN did for them? Please.
- afx1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14No!!!! Everything I have is running on PHP!!! Oh, wait...it's open source. Nevermind.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16This might be of interest to some of you. A Canadian observer sent this email a couple days ago and it is believed he was one of the people killed in the Israeli attack. As a Canadian I can understand how that incident could anger someone very much.
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20060718/mideast_lebanon_UN_060716/20060718/ - chiatar, on 10/12/2007, -11/+23sockpuppets, you can hate the terrorist state Israel and not be an anti-semite....:roll:
php will carry on - brandonr, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13Why would it matter if the guys from Zend are from Israel? I think one of the greatest thing about the web and all these projects is that they exist in a borderless world. As I've said on digg (regarding stallman), why can't people just write code? I'm not saying they shouldn't have political opinions, but I got into this because programming is fun, I assuming they did as well.
Give me some replies diggers. - catoutfit, on 10/12/2007, -5/+17@Ottergoose
we're just pulling your leg dude, chill.. - elephantdog, on 10/12/2007, -8/+20***** all organized religion. There, I said it, now I'm a bad guy.
I doubt he was racist, even though he said "***** Jews". Here is why:
If the Vatican bombed New York I'm sure lots of people would be saying "***** Christians". Yes I know not all Jews support Israel and not all Christians support the Vatican, but a relationship with something can taint your identity. People view who you are based on the groups you belong to or appear to belong to: Ginsu knives probably didn't benefit from being used by Mrs. Bobbit, just as Judaism isn't benefiting from being used by Israel. - misterjangles, on 10/12/2007, -11/+22@DisembarkedOne in case you would think the USA in general is in support of any particular policy (Isreal included) it helps to understand how the population of the USA breaks down (at least as far as I can tell). It seems to be something like this:
1% = rich ***** who control everything
14 % = people stupid enough to believe the rich ***** propaganda
15 % = people who just don't give a ***** about anything
70% = people who are pissed off and want to change things, unfortunately they have so many various agendas that nobody can stay focused on one topic for any length of time. Also, rich ***** have become masters at diverting people's attention from global policies with hotbutton issues like flag burning, immigration from Mexico, and gay marriage. - catoutfit, on 10/12/2007, -22/+33Authough I may not agree with his anti-Israel sentiment, I totally 100% respect his decision to stand up for what he believes in.
My personal opinions that there are nut-bars on either side of the fence, I don't abide by suicide bombers as a means of 'protest' yet Israel's occupation is HIGHLY questionable..
Sorry to sound like a corny loser but at the end of the day we're all human beings with bloodlines that we could trace all over the world. It really doesn't matter where we're came from, we're all people and we should be evolved and intelligent to live together in peace, I'm not saying people shouldn't be proud, by all means be proud of your heritage, it's who you are... but don't make it a negative thing.
OK I'm going on here, you get the point. - spacemanspork, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12i dunno if you're misunderstanding his stance. i doubt he even cares about lebanon at all (let alone supports them), but the fact remains that israel killed UN peacekeepers. Someone earlier said one of his friends died in this; and if that's true I fully understand his anger and I would fully understand his "***** jews" and "nuke israel" comments. I don't think he's really serious about that, more like he's just so pissed he's lashing out.
Obviusly I have no idea what's really going on, but if he did have someone die in those bombings, I can understand why he made those comments and quit since I think he's probably doing these things "hot" (when he's overly angry). When you're pissed, you tend to say extreme things that you wouldn't have said if you had time to cool down. - there, on 10/12/2007, -9/+19"Even if his Zend employers were against the current war"
Pardon me. I should have said even if his Zend employers were "pro" the war he shouldn't be talking about nukes.
Anyone that argues pro-killing on either side is a complete dick. Elements of both sides are behaving like bratty uncompromising two year olds... blaming each other for tit-for-tat violence. I even occasional see demonstrations by average local Jews and Arabs for their respective camps around town. Seriously I often feel like their trying to bring there war around here and it's really pissing me off.
What's even more retarded is Bush saying a ceasefire is pointless. Yeah it really makes sense to save lives.... by allowing an all out war to continue. - crapbox, on 10/12/2007, -6/+16Hey if Israeli soldiers did what he did, there would be a lot less dead lebanese.
- tizz66, on 10/12/2007, -9/+18If it was a private matter, then he should say 'I am quitting for my own personal reasons based on my views', and everyone would be fine with it.
By saying what he did, he has made his views VERY public, and now he must take the flak for it. - Hungryhaney, on 10/12/2007, -19/+28@sunchild
"1. Israel has been fighting back against Arab aggression for over a half decade. Now they're being attacked by the Persians and the Arabs under the banner of anti-Semetic Islamism."
Well, I think the reason that they have been fighting against Israel for a little over 50 years has to do with the creation of Israel which caused thousands of people to become refugees who to this day live under very humiliating conditions. The evictions ARE unethical, there is no way around that point - though I'll get called anti-semitic and be branded a Jew-hater immediately after doing so.
"2. The meme that Israel is a belligerent occupying force is a lie. There is no such thing as Palestine--it is a proxy cause created in the wake of a war started by Arabs to cast the invading Arabs as the underdogs. If Palestinians are a people with a right to a state, then Jordan is as much an occupying force as Israel, since more "Palestinians" live there than in Gaza and the West Bank."
The native Americans did not have any comparable for of government to what we have in the United States, yet I highly doubt many would claim that what was done to the Native Americans was just - whether or not a recognized document states that Palestine was or wasn't a country (it was a British colony/protectorate). The point about Jordan is also, in my opinion, kind of moot, since most of the Palestinians don't face the same degrading behavior they do in Israel. Plus if I am correctly informed, most living there are refugees from areas taken by Israel.
"3. The UN is unequivocally biased against Israel for a number of reasons (as evidenced by this joker's rant). In brokering peace after the last time Hezbollah attacked Israel, the UN assumed responsibility for disarming Hezbollah. As you can see today, the UN turned a blind eye to Hezbollah's further entrenchment and growth and stockpiling of Iranian weapons."
OK, first of, the U.N. most certainly is not biased against Israel, and I don't find any connection between this guy and the U.N. The reason why Hezbollah never fully disarmed is because for them, nothing really changed. If you just try to put yourself in their shoes for once, maybe you will understand that. It was not so much the U.N. turning a blind eye, but Hezbollah deceiving them in order to not lose their main way of fighting (back).
"4. Hezbollah is using UN positions to fire on Israel on the basis that Israel will be reprimanded for firing back. Similarly, Hezbollah uses the civilian population to sheild its attacks. This common terrorist tactic depends on the cooperation of major media to cast Israel as in the wrong for returning fire. Please note that Hezbollah has been firing on UN positions as well in recent days, but few media outlets are covering this."
The problem is with taking down entire city blocks to get at a few Hezbollah fighters. If they sent in crack commando forces instead of leveling the area around a rocket launch site, this would be less devastating (unless those commandos would start shooting civilians). The problem is that Israel does not want to get their hands dirty (= lose people in house-to-house fighting), so they just level everything from far away, causing massive collateral damage and killing innocent people en masse. And about the media being biased? When Israel getting hit by less than a dozen rockets a day which kill 2-6 people (I think I am high-balling here) gets as much coverage time as 30 some civilians being killed in constant shelling of residential areas, media bias seems to be slanted more towards Israel's POV than anywhere else.
"Look, I understand that some people don't like Jews, as apparently is the case with this guy. It's his right not to like other people, no matter how unfounded his beliefs may be. What is totally inexcusable is to ignore the truth and perpetuate lies in order to confirm your beliefs. But don't take my word for it--do your own research. Read about the Middle East wars of the past century. Read about the Munich Games. Read about Arafat. Read about Hezbollah and Iran. Then decide for yourself."
No, you are wrong. It is NOT right to dislike people based on race, religion, sexual preference or any other such thing. I was born and raised in Germany and went to their schools there, so I was brought up in a very pro-Israel and pro-Semite climate and still have some Jewish friends (who also disagree with Israels policies). But the use of violence and the way that Israel is treating Palestinians has swayed my mind from once seeing them as victims and refugees to a people that have taken the side of the (war) criminals and oppressors.
I do agree that the violent Arab responses are wrong, evil and need to be stopped. But when you become a criminal yourself while defending yourself, you lose any right to justice, in my opinion, not just on ethical grounds. And, having read up upon both sides, I see that Israel started off as a state using terrorism themselves, they are reaping what they sowed ... -
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