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- utch, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8I love the drupal!
- robertDouglass, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5But when people demand this quality of web experience other browsers will learn to support it. It is open source, after all.
- pornel, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5What about other projects? I don't find Drupal that interesting - IMHO there were many more important projects: Wine, Samba, Gaim, Subversion, Xiph.org, FFMpeg, etc.
Drupal is nice, but it isn't one of it's kind (there are gazzilions of CMSes) and let's face it - writing AJAX forms and XUL doesn't require extraordinary skills. - fahrvergnuugen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Someone needs to create an AJAX flow chart utility.
- violentvinyl, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4http://code.google.com/soc/
- UnConeD, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3It is true that most PHP code out there is very flaky and ugly. But, it is generally known that Drupal stands out on this point, as people comment time and time again that it has a well thought out design, yet doesn't over-engineer simple things. I recently contributed a patch to the phpMyAdmin project... it was depressing to see that such a popular application could have such horrible code.
Now, the downside of using PHP as a language needs to be weighed against the fact that it is the most popular webhosting environment around. If you want to run Drupal, a typical PHP host will do. Don't underestimate that.
As far as creating new content types through a GUI goes, I guess you haven't seen Drupal's Flexinode and Content Construction Kit modules. The latter is a rewrite of the former, with more performance and more flexibility. Check out the following screencast, where Zack Rosen creates a Google Maps representation of San Francisco crime data, using CCK, Views and Gmaps. Only the output (the theming) requires some template code to be written, and you can just paste that in.
http://www.zacker.org/screencast-drupal-mashup-machine
Note that this stuff is still in development (and hence has a complicated GUI), but obviously you don't need Zope/Plone or RoR to have this ability. - deusx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Depending on your hosting scenario, PHP's often the only viable option and those hacked up CMS packages tend to install nice & quick to get the job done. Less yak shaving, more publishing.
Zope / Plone has its own set of issues beyond custom hosting, not the least of which include a hockey stick shaped learning curve and difficulties in through-the-web development where you may have limited access to tools like SVN or CVS. Correct me if the Zope / Plone situation has changed radically since last I was ankle deep in it. - deusx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I personally believe that XAML is the new web, and that eventually, people will say "Why HTML? Why AJAX? Why not just make XAML sites?"
Actually, I don't believe that at all. Whether it's Mozilla's XUL, or Microsoft's XAML, it's not the web. Now, if something other than the web is what you're going for, more power to you - and enjoy your vendor lock-in. Of course, if the vendor is an Open Source based kit like Mozilla, the lock-in is less odious - but be aware that it's still a limitation and based on a specific platform.
And ajaxWrite ain't AJAX. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4People aren't demanding it though. The average chump doesn't know or care what html is let alone ajax, xul and all the other technologies.
Probalby the only "known" technology is Flash. - IbnDigg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Anywhere we can find all the projects for this years SOC?
- bertboerland, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2not yet, but keep an eye out on soc.google.com and within a couple of hours it will be there
- clouseau, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2You are obviously not familiar with Drupal.
- macewan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3It is pretty neat. If you haven't already tried AJAX Write then you might want to do so.
- violentvinyl, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"Well-well look. I already told you: I deal with the god damn customers so the engineers don't have to. I have people skills; I am good at dealing with people. Can't you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?"
- unholy1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2So was the XUL suggestion actually accepted??
From the comments on the linked page:
"your digg story suggests that the XUL interface was accepted. Reading Ben Franics' post on the dev list, I think this was not the case (unless there was another XUL entry.)" - vermin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2To be fair though the project is for multi-site administration, so yes the "average chump" doesn't care about AJAX or XUL, but people who are administering multiple drupal sites are not "average chumps". Therefore this project definately makes sense.
- robertDouglass, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@r2d7... agree that people aren't demanding. But hopefully by building cool tools with the technology, awareness will increase. In the case at hand, there will be one student and two mentors whose XUL chops are much better by the end of the summer, making them much more likely to go on and write even more XUL code. Plus we'll have an XUL app that other projects like WordPress will want to have too, launching a round of me-too development. It's all part of a long process. This stuff is still really new.
- mbradbury, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Bloody hell. read the SAMBA guys page at http://www.samba.org/samba/projects/summercode06.html could anyone take them seriously after so many errors in their english?
Great programmers need great writers on hand. - nitsuj, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Well volunteered!
- inboxnews, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I agree w/utch, Drupal rocks!
- rmmcclay, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Hey, for roll your own, python rocks. But the virtue of something like Drupal is that it's the result of a whole lotta people working together on something that is in the arena of many other comparable projects, in this case PHP/database backends. I digg Drupal, majorly and I'm a programmer who has built many a CMS from scratch. If there were some nice open source python CMS solutions out there I would be among the early adopters. Plone looks great, and I'm going to look into it; but is that the only contender for the solution (python-based) you are proposing?
To be on topic, the form assembler Ajax bit is sweeeeeet! - ketsugi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I concur. What about the non-Drupal SOC projects that were accepted?
- Chozabu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Im all for XUL on the web as much as poss, but not as the only interface (which i know its not here...)
hopefully itll be in some more brousers soon too... - robertDouglass, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yes, the XUL project as proposed by Lê Xuân Hùng was accepted. Ben also applied, and though he worked very hard preparing his application and was a strong contender, wasn't in the top 14 spots.
- Uruviel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Not to mention Firefox which has some interesting ideas running:
http://wiki.mozilla.org/Community:SummerOfCode06 - clouseau, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1From the comments on the linked page:
"We had several applicants for the XUL interface
One stood out above the rest: L Xun Hng Multi-site administration through rich XUL client" - pratiknaik, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Devil digged drupal :)
666 - v3xt0r, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1yea, I'd rather program my own software, thanks. =)
- willistg, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@r2d7
"People aren't demanding it though. The average chump doesn't know or care what HTML is let alone Ajax, XUL and all the other technologies.
Probably the only "known" technology is Flash."
Wait people are demanding flash? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Any-who, the average user just sees an application, if it serves some value to them they'll use it regardless of technology, which makes XUL just as viable as anything else. It doesn't matter if it doesn't work in IE, an XUL app can be bundled with all the rendering goodness in the install, the user won't give a ***** like you said. - violentvinyl, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2"I don't find Drupal that interesting."
You're not alone, I get the impression this would not be front page material if the headline better represented the content.
Official results should have been at http://code.google.com/soc/ yesterday. They aren't up yet though. I'd suggest you keep an eye on it.
Keeping an eye out for Debian Live myself. - Seird, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2There isn't an official list yet but confirmation mails have been sent to the students, and the mentors get to see this: http://buytaert.net/google-to-invest-70000-usd-in-drupal ...
- jetsetter, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Drupal's great but these look kind of boring to me.
- robertDouglass, on 10/12/2007, -6/+6I personally believe that XUL is the new web, and that eventually, people will say "Why HTML? Why AJAX? Why not just make XUL sites?"
- davotoula, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Done: http://www.gliffy.com/
It's really sweet. - macewan, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3that form assembler is pretty damn cool
- TheBaker, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3A XUL Admin Interface sounds pretty cool.
- v3xt0r, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1oh, wow, drupal... or shall I say, the phpNuke of the new millenium? *yawn*
- rgravina, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Bah! These PHP content management systems are just a bunch of hacked up PHP scripts and a database. If you want a *real* CMS, use Plone. Honestly, I looked at a fair few of these PHP CMS's for a job once and none of them really made it easy to create your own content types without hacking away at SQL. Plone is built in Python, runs on an application server (Zope) with a built in object oriented database and web-based management interface. I mean, you can actually keep objects in memory and have them available for as long as your server is running. With PHP you have to hack away with the sessions to save state between requests.
I think these PHP CMSes are misguided. PHP is a poor language for this kind of system.
Call me a troll if you like, but I am so glad I ditched PHP and moved to Python for my web programming. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -10/+9And the answer is because only Mozilla browsers support XUL. So eventually ***** will say "*****, why did I do this in XUL??? Now 90 % of people can't use my web two point oh oh oh one seven crapplication."
PS. lmfao @ drupal.org saying XUL was highly in demand heh. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2The majority of drupal, wordpress and every other 'instant site' software are probably not eligible for using XUL stuff. Most developers using them may be on FF, but that probably makes up only a small % of users.
They could do it all in SVG too, but they don't, for the simple reason that you cater to the lowest common denominator, which is html and (debatebly) js/ajax. - robertDouglass, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0This was @r2d7, web poet.
- TomP, on 10/12/2007, -7/+1Is that all you do all your life moan about grammar?
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