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- homesqua, on 10/10/2007, -4/+177now we need a faster blink tag
- Treshnell, on 10/10/2007, -7/+157How long until IE invents its own version?
- earache, on 10/10/2007, -7/+88Just give us real freakin' columns already. Then the twits still using tables can quit laughing at the CSS people.
- Goblinkiller, on 10/10/2007, -1/+66I didn't think that the lack of elements was the issue, rather the lack of support for them...
IE doesn't support all of todays standars, why would it support tomorrows standard? - riklomas, on 10/10/2007, -1/+51Columns should be coming out with CSS3
http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-multicol/ - Jugalator, on 10/10/2007, -1/+45Just in time for Internet Explorer 9 to implement.
- MadMax3000, on 10/10/2007, -9/+48Welcome to HTML 5. Now we're going to move to Web 3.0
- homesqua, on 10/10/2007, -2/+41The only solution is to destroy everyone that still uses IE
- markstory, on 10/10/2007, -2/+39forget invent its own version, how long has it taken IE to support current standards. Like 9 years and they still haven't gotten it fully down. So we can expect HTML 5 support in 2018?
- CapnDeviance, on 10/10/2007, -0/+35Or combine both into one tag, < geocities >
- zizzy, on 10/10/2007, -2/+25One of the things that I think looks coolest is the ability to embed video and audio as simply as images, just by adding [video src= or [audio src=.
People will start to add them in comments and the like just like images. I just hope people don't use autoplay, because it will get really annoying having to hear random crap like Rick Astley every time you go to a site that has comments or a place where users can write stuff. Still, it'll be much easier to add audio and video all over the place. - hambend, on 10/10/2007, -1/+23A fair comment, but I wouldn't trouble yourself too much over it. Divs aren't going anywhere, and if the any of the new markup doesn't prove popular it will just fall into disuse and we'll forget all about it.
Blink tag, anyone? - danielphin, on 11/05/2007, -2/+24Layout and presentation is what CSS is for
- Meep3D, on 10/10/2007, -3/+24Anyone who knows anything about web design knows that moving from table based layout and inline styles to CSS is a monumental improvement in terms of code cleanliness, maintainability, loading times and makes creating and maintaining a website an order of magnitude easier.
Why on earth should web design be dumbed down and returned to table based hell simply because some people think it's easier? If CSS truly was inferior to HTML/Tables then nobody would be using it - it's that simple. But the fact is every single decent web designer uses CSS. - MV559er, on 10/10/2007, -1/+22If your website doesn't render properly in IE, most people (who use IE) will just think your website sucks and whoever programmed it is an idiot. They won't think, "Oh, maybe I should try this with Firefox/Opera instead!" Sad, but true.
- zwaldowski, on 10/10/2007, -0/+20Hell, we'll be lucky if we have full XHTML and SVG support. We'll have to wait years to use any of these new elements.
- DevDuck, on 10/10/2007, -2/+21Unfortunately it won't be until the next millennium until IE supports any of these.
- zizzy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+14Sorry about the double post, stupid digg ate my HTML.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+14That's ridiculous. Obviously you have never done development work for a paying customer.
A paying customer doesn't want to hear your rhetoric about the evils of IE as an excuse for why his IE-using customer's can't see the page.
He pays you to make a site that works. Period. And IE support is part of your job at that point. - kn0w1, on 10/10/2007, -1/+15it could be an attribute.. <blink bpm=135> ... </blink>
blinks per minute!
then you could have it blink to the same techno bpm on myspace! - thailand1972, on 10/10/2007, -0/+12The autoplay feature has web hosts shuddering.
- sirsteveh, on 10/10/2007, -1/+13Agreed. And what happened to "HTML 5.0 isn't happening, learn XHTML"? I've obviously been under a rock without a digg feed for too long.
- kds71, on 10/10/2007, -2/+13It can be done :) Just put Hatena's IE crasher on every page.
- n0va, on 10/10/2007, -2/+13Finally? I think this will only go mainstream once IE adopts it. So far, Opera has covered part of the HTML5 spec, Firefox hasn't done much, and IE, well let's just say it should get to where Firefox and Opera are now before thinking of anything more. I must admit that I don't know what IE8 has in store for the people though. Not optimistic about it either.
For those who want to learn more about HTML5, and doesn't mind reading spec sheets: http://www.whatwg.org/ - markdr123, on 10/10/2007, -6/+17and a faster marquee :P
- DivisibleByZero, on 10/10/2007, -0/+10The ironic thing is that I make the same assumption if your site doesn't render in Firefox.
- DivisibleByZero, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9"The autoplay attribute tells the browser to begin playing as soon as the page is loaded, without waiting for an explicit user request."
A POX ON THIS MAN! It's bad enough that your MySpace page has a big ugly static background that's primarily the same color as the text, but the fact that Marilyn Manson plays automatically just makes it even worse.
They'd better make it mandatory that the audio tag provide a stop button. - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9Schrodinger's cat is [BLINK]not[/BLINK] dead.
- sekhui, on 10/10/2007, -2/+11the autoplay attribute can only end in tears.
signed,
blink - MisterBozo, on 10/10/2007, -5/+13And since every decent website will want to remain compatible with IE6 these new elements will never be used.
- davidbond, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8Oooh - bug! Digg does not support "greater than" or "less than" signs.
- mcmlxxii, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8xhtml is supported in most modern browsers - any alteration of headers + markup by the server is for older browsers such as IE6.
- GMorgan, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8"A useful format is one that can be used by everyone"
By that definition, there has never been a useful format ever.
Formats are useful if they can do what you need in a relatively efficient manner. They don't need to be open to all to achieve this. In fact most formats are only viable to experts because most fields need some sort of knowledge. Web design is no different. - Tippis, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7Creating the columns isn't the hard part. Auto-flowing the text so that the columns remain balanced is.
But then again, that problem exists for both tables and divs, and when CSS3 solves it, you still need to remake your layout to work, regardless of what technique you've been using so far. - asaturn, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8< blinkquee >
- JonLatane, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7Progress bars are going to be really useful for designing Web applications that do a lot of server-intensive work. I always wondered why they hadn't been added long ago.
- Trollhammaren, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8IE can hasLayout? No, kitteh.
- Grumps, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7I like how we could easily embed media now. Compare to the traditional embed tag. Progress and meter is amazing as well.
- bradpurchase, on 06/12/2008, -4/+11Buried for BBCode.
- MenthiX, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8Because IE7 is supposed to be the product rendering HTML5, not Asp.net.
- DoMifer, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7Hey. The blink tag will never be forgotten. It will always hold a place in our hearts...
- fLUx1337, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7Too many f**king hours have been wasted by me "hacking" the layout to get it to work in IE......so they better not f**k this chance to get everything working, eh Microsoft??
- grawity, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7XHTML 1.1 FTW.
- R2Bacca, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7I disagree.. there are plenty of crappy websites that still rely on tables (I still don't see how tables are any easier "to the layperson"). CSS isn't all that hard to learn, no more so than learning to program javascript or php. Besides that, the new tags only give the developer a form of "shorthand". Instead of using ' div id="header" ' you'll use ' header '. You're still going to have to style the thing! Continue dependence on CSS and kick the people who are incapable of learning CSS off the nearest cliff.
- alamster, on 10/10/2007, -4/+9as long it's "standard", I try to follow :-)
- davidbond, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6Nice, but where are the new types? I want:
input type="slider"
I'm sure diggers will have more suggestions... - BladeMelbourne, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6There is also an XHTML5 - with the same new things as HTML5.
- pyry, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6Solution: Stop using out of date "self-deprecating" browsers?
- pyry, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6If IE supports it, you can bet there'll be hasLayout issues.
- thinsoldier, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Indeed. We spent several hours yesterday trying to understand how a div with a white background and a background image could show the background image above the content and not show the white background :(
Every web developer the world over and all of their clients should get together and sue microsoft. -
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