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- Kazrog, on 10/12/2007, -7/+63Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers! ......
- Urusai, on 10/12/2007, -5/+56Oh, so developers are elite, and the author is elitier than thou because you are just a programmer and he is a "developer". Well, I'm a "computer scientist", so nyahh nyahh!
- benc, on 10/12/2007, -4/+31Yeah, I can tell you the difference between a developer and programmer without a couple dozen paragraphs of vain mush:
A developer is always capable of using terms like "enterprise", "knowledge base", and "best practice" with a straight face. A programmer isn't. - EtherGnat, on 10/12/2007, -1/+20Uranus?
- eplawless, on 10/12/2007, -8/+25to paraphrase: programmers are dicks. developers are awesome.
- FTLTorgo, on 10/12/2007, -4/+20And apparently this author is from whatever planet is responsible for *****.....
- partyonaisle7, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16The author isn't really describing/defining "programmers"; he's using the labels to create a distinction between the sorts of people he thinks are valuable coders and the ones that aren't. Chris Rock did a routine where he did that sort of comparison between black people and (something else).
- Bob042, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10...Ew... is that all sweat?
- TenebrousX, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drLO_LG0W9w
- TheReport, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9You know, I might be wrong but.....I think you are just describing Programmers with different personalities..Stop over analyzing and code something.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Gee, let's figure out ANOTHER way to divide people into warring factions.
Coming up next,
people who close a window by clicking the little "x" in the upper right corner
vs
people who close a window by selecting "file...close" from the menus on the left,
and why we think the "x" closers are lusers!
Because there's just not enough bickering amongst geeks! - vicaya, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Developer built youtube and sold it for $1.65 billion; Programmer just said: that's insane, I can whip out a site like that, like, over a weekend.
Me? Just another * hacker ;-) - jhshukla, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9To comment on the last Point, here's a nice quote:
You are successful in your field when you don't know whether what you are doing is work or play. - jim99, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7I think Developers can also be programmers, and in most cases they are.
- adolfojp, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9I am a good developer. I can design software beautifully.
I am a terrible programmer. I have lost most of my concentration.
Pair me up with a programmer and a designer and you'll get excellent results. Alone, I get bored too easily with the grunt work and the results look like *****. - FTLJohnson, on 10/12/2007, -6/+12I'm a designer. ;) I'm from Earth.
- robot1122, on 10/12/2007, -8/+14Earth sucks man, they kicked out pluto...
- afx1, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10I'm a progreveloper...a little of both.
- merreborn, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6partyonaisle7:
My thoughts exactly. The whole 'programmer vs. developer' thing distracts from what otherwise is a decent article on the "dos" and "do nots" of successful software development. - jdivis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I think you're bi.
- nightchrome, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6This was without doubt the dumbest thing I've read all day.
- jdivis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I think you mean wtf? ftw = for the win, wtf = wtf... wtf mate?
- CalgaryTechGuy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Useless?
- zerofiz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3thats the biggest load of ***** I've ever heard.
- oepapel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"My business card says: "Digital Developer" "
Wow! They've gone digital? And all this time, we've been using Analog Developers!
The first rule always has been and always will be "Titles are for suckers" - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3So, programmers are *****?
- Rikkochet, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5I think his argument was basically that a developer gets involved in decision-making and tries to engineer his work intellectually. A programmar just wants instructions and doesn't give a ***** about the rest of the company around him.
In sum, a programmer is just a bad developer.
I'll argue that a programmer is someone outsourced - they get their spec and they work within in. No discussion, no manager to talk to it about, just do your damn job. The developer is someone whose opinion their company values. - f00xx0riz3r, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Sounds like someone got the sour grapes because he failed algoritms 101 and data structures 101 .. :D
- kigabit, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3You forgot Right-Click->Close and Alt+F4.
- Bobski, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Total bullsh*t! What he errantly calls a programmer is in reality a coder and always has been, even back in the days of the Hollerith. Programmer and developer can correctly be used interchangably.
- shortkid422, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7Or you're just slacking on the job.
- NoHandle, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3But if you read to the end, you would see that you are not in a "real" profession.
PS
It's in my title too! - MacDork, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2That makes you a hack -- not in the h4ckz0r3d sense of the word, but in the learn-enough-to-get-stuff-done kind of way.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_AP3SGMxxM
- AntiMe, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4If they aren't, they suck.
- imikedaman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2jdivis ftw!
- arof, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@adolfoip
I've found I'm the exact same way. A friend of mine was trying to mod an open-source program to behave in a very similar, but in many important ways different way. (Specifically making StepMania act like Guitar Hero, fyi.) He was doing the source code digging while trying, and failing, to figure out how to make it work at the concept level. Everything he brought up conceptually I knew in less than a minute how, in theory, to deal with. If I actually tried to do the coding for those concepts, I'd have given up in a minute.
This is why I'm going to be a designer (the gaming equivalent of a developer for more than just the technical aspects) and not a programmer. - iWasHere, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2That is a little scary.
- northerncomfort, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6I am a developer/designer/programmer. I am the alpha-computer-user. And the omega, too, just for good measure.
This article is just one giant "Hey! Let's give myself a BIG pat on the back!" - mdg149, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I'm a Developer I. One day, I hope to be a Developer II. Maybe after 7 or 8 years, I'll get to be a Senior Developer I. Then I'll be almost as great as a Senior Developer II.
This guy is neither Developer or Programmer. His obsession w/ the difference proves that he's Management. Only Management would care to define some difference between the two so they can use it when drawing their silly little org charts.
Titles are stupid and nobody even cares what they are. Not even your boss cares. - WhiskerTheMad, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2It's called "Solitare," or in more recent years, "Freecell."
- CalgaryTechGuy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This is why my mom has no idea what I do...I keep changing the name of it.
- burke, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Once again, I'll point out that this is the correct link. Try it. Seriously. Click the damn link.
- martian, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1That's right, I am.
- antdude, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1How about software engineers?
- mediamanbkk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I'm an ALt+F4 man myself... but your point is taken. As an employer of "people" in the IT industry I am very concious of job titles and the perceived status attached to each. Here in Thailand (and probably throughout Asia) status or rather perceived status is extremely important, people who work for some organisations do so at much lower salaries than their market value because of the status gained for them and their families by working for The Ministry of.... or the Bank of...
The Job Titles "Programmer" and "Developer" are too loose. Look on any Recruitment site and browse through the IT section... it is very rare that you will find vacancies for "Programmer" or "Developer" - Bobski, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1You sound more like a manager. I used to keep a sign over my desk to piss off people like you:
"If you do not have the time to do it right, how in hell will you ever find the time to do it over?" - bliz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1semantics semantics semantics...it's funny how people can argue over such things.
- jdivis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I guess everyone has their own view on what makes a developer and what makes a programmer, both of which are needed for software development, but this reading is biased towards the developer... No Digg for innacuracy (ie difference of opinion)
- Ryzo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1He defines developer as X, programmer as Y and proceeds to stereotype based on these definitions. Very informative =/
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