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- bpapa, on 10/13/2007, -6/+127We don't do that ***** around here.
- joaob, on 10/13/2007, -7/+83"1. Make fewer HTTP requests"
I suggested that on digg about 2 months ago, I think that comment now sits at -34 diggs.
I told you so... - jimio, on 10/13/2007, -10/+84I logged in just to bury you down
- ZogDog, on 10/11/2007, -5/+51#15 - pay your developers properly, they code properly.
- cosmicpoet, on 10/11/2007, -3/+34#15a -- give your developers time and they'll code properly. We never get enough time!
- ahknight, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2882 items had to load to display this page. I'm guessing they didn't take the advice...
- ronin691, on 10/11/2007, -3/+29Does anyone, besides me, find irony in having to download a 5.4 megabyte Power Point presentation entitled "High Performance Web Sites"?
Why isn't the presentation in a 65k PDF or just plain old HTLM? - bondfreak05, on 10/11/2007, -2/+27# 15: Don't put it on Digg.
- brundlefly76, on 10/11/2007, -1/+18I dont know why you got dugg down you are absolutely right.
However, the #1 thing digg needs to do is ditch the avatars on comments - couldnt care less about them, and they are a huge impact on performance. - thcobbs, on 10/11/2007, -1/+17K.I.S.S.
- Firanide, on 10/11/2007, -0/+15@se7en11
On Friday at 4:30...spending time on Digg. ;-) - se7en11, on 10/13/2007, -1/+13I don't think pay will make someone code better. I do think paying someone properly will make them feel valuable to the company/team leading to more productivity. This is why you see me here on Friday at 4:30. ;-)
- bpapa, on 10/11/2007, -1/+13What the hell? It was a powerpoint presentation that was displayed at a conference in a theater. It's not like it was originally emailed to people. :P
- MisterE21, on 10/11/2007, -1/+11#16 Don't have links to slow ad servers.
In my experiance many issues with slow web pages, are pages waiting for ads to load from third party servers. - ivanmarsh, on 10/11/2007, -1/+10When do they intend to start applying these techniques to their own site? Yahoo mail is so freaking slow I'm thinking of getting rid of my account.
- se7en11, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8I can vouch for this one.The problem I have is getting projects done at 85% finished or "well it works" status.
- ElbridgeGerry, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8@kevinrose
You dugg this? Digg's design is the exact opposite of "fast" or "clean".
(I keed, I keed) - plhearn, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8When you minify a JS file it removes all spaces and commentary, making it smaller. We do this at my work to save bandwidth, but I never thought it would have that great an impact on performance.
- brundlefly76, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6digg is poorly optimized (not necessarily poorly coded) - the avatars are too expensive, there is too much realtime SQL and Ajax.
having all the comments on one page is also of enormous impact and a curious design choice.
yahoo has far more dynamic content and traffic overall then digg but they have always been obsessive about page delay budget - its about priority more then anything else.
However digg is one of the only sites I regularly use where the page load times are measured in seconds over fiber on a fast computer. - ryancecilsmith, on 10/13/2007, -2/+8"Make fewer http requests..."
Digg loads so slow on my Mac. Is this why? Whenever I open a few Top 10 articles, I have to sit and wait for 30 seconds... or longer? It's not a new computer, but no other website but Digg does this to me. - stuartjmoore, on 10/11/2007, -0/+615. export your ppt as pdf
- pfranz, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6You speak the truth. One great thing with installing adblock is that your pages load faster
- Scyth3, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6JSMin (JS Minifier as it's called) is put out by one of Yahoo's Senior JS Developer:
http://www.crockford.com/javascript/jsmin.html
Very handy to reduce file size (strips comments, white space, etc) - LordofShadows, on 10/13/2007, -4/+9Why would anyone use yahoo?
- brundlefly76, on 10/11/2007, -3/+8And I thought I was obsessive about page optimization - this is by far the most in-depth analysis I have seen.
Lots of very interesting stuff there illuminated by rarely-seen measurement and metrics. - liryon, on 10/13/2007, -19/+23now, if only digg.com would follows these rules and not load up their pages with so much slow ajax junk.
- pfranz, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3I'm pretty sure they're going for overall performance instead of first load. The second page your visit (or when you reload) you already have the js and css cached.
- Scyth3, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5Tell that to a few of the dev's on my team. Eeek.
- steger, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3direct link to all the rules.
http://stevesouders.com/examples/rules.php - alphacoder, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4Yahoo does have some serious bloat on their pages but have you tried the 'Classic' view (or whatever they call it, pre-Ajaxian goodness?)
- pevensen, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3I agree. Yahoo mail is very slow on my Mac, and Yahoo maps is almost unusably slow.
- fishfishfish, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3The PowerPoint presentation here is well worth downloading. Lots of extremely useful stuff here to try.
- tybris, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2"2. Use a CDN"
A do-it-yourself Content Distribution Network: http://www.globule.org/ - opiv421, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1#1 should be stop looking at all that porn. And this is why my web pages will never load quickly.
- gnufan, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1I think those thinking 'Digg shouldn't do all the comments on the front page' misunderstood item 1 in the article.
The time of loading the first page is minimal for most web apps, it is one round trip. Text can be compressed (I'm thinking Digg comments will compress a lot due to duplication!) quite well, so even a few hundred comments probably only boils down to a few Kbs of web request.
By having all the comments on the one page, there is one request per story, and the pages can be cached efficiently for a few minutes by the ISPs cache server, so that is one page per story to AOL, for every AOL reader reading that story in a given period. That is super efficient, even if that means making the page 5 times as big, that doesn't really matter much. Similarly rather than trying to work out which view of a page a user wants, the digg server can cache the current view of a story, so it only need visit the database say once every N seconds to update the view of a given story it will return, leaving the database servers free to do the important business of adding up the votes.
Of course digg may not be doing these tricks - the only way to tell would be to see how quickly digging a comment on one page is updated on another users view of the same page.
Similar most of the "digg" javascript I've seen is minuscule. I haven't looked at the commenting, but the basic "digg" voting stuff is like one line per function. That is about as minimal as Javascript can get.
I'm guessing the Digg, Slashdot, and similar site owners know all these tricks and many more, since their sites survive when many of the sites they link to die under the weight of maybe a small fraction of a percent of the traffic they themselves receive. - slapthemonkey, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Finista.....Thanks. I liked it.
- TheSpore, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1I think to make Digg load faster, it should be more forum-like. That is, it shows comments 1-20 on the 1st page, 21-40 on the 2nd page, etc. I actually like the avatars that everyone is complaining about, and they would load faster if there was only 20 of them per page.
- finista, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2You might also wanna check this: http://www.digg.com/programming/You_think_you_know_JavaScript_but_you_have_no_idea
- jkndrkn, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1This goes without saying, but sites are still designed using TABLEs. Getting rid of TABLE-based designs helps slim down your page size and lower your page rendering times.
- EllisAshbrook, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2This really is great..thanks finista.
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