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- nsareadthis, on 12/05/2007, -11/+30The My Lai massacre, the torture at Abu Ghraib, and the CIA’s “Family Jewels” (assassinations, anthrax, and illegal wiretapping, etc) ...
Dirty state secrets aren't fond of Seymour Hersh, but they can't seem to manage to stay away from him..
Keep giving them hell Sy! - fonebone2, on 12/06/2007, -3/+9Or the weekly standard is a neocon *****. "Played a role in crafting" the NIE is pretty vague and, in this context, wholly meaningless.
- NEWNHLISLAME, on 12/05/2007, -8/+14We know the Administration has has kept us the dark for the last few years. For BUSH to say that he did not know about this until last week is a lie unless Cheney isn't telling his boss the info. I doubt that he would keep that intel secret. The GOP was trying and is still trying despratley to find a way to make it publicly acceptable to bomb IRAN. Get these bumbs out of the white house!
- mrjit, on 12/06/2007, -2/+5"In the counsels of Government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the Military Industrial Complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists, and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals so that security and liberty may prosper together." Eisenhower
- MetalliTooL, on 12/06/2007, -0/+3"And you still trust that Ahmabibblebabble in Iran is telling the truth? Don't kid yourself..."
Uh, you're the one who's talking about what Ahmadinejad said. I'm just correcting you. - drmobutu, on 12/06/2007, -4/+6It's basically a mutiny...that's probably what gave Cheney his heart palpitations, last week...quack, quack, boys...
- fonebone2, on 12/06/2007, -3/+5If Israel has intel showing that Iran has an active WMD program, you'd think they would have shared that info with US intelligence agencies at some point during the past year or so, no?
It's like when the US said in 2003 that it had super secret hard evidence Saddam had WMDs. The Europeans said "oh yeah, show us," so the US said, "uhh, well, umm" and they sent Colin Powell to put on that ridiculous show at the UN. That was when everyone with a brain realized Bush was full of *****. - inactive, on 12/08/2007, -0/+1
It was via the buddy system on Odigo software, which allows one to communicate to a large group of people that share a trait, such as the Hebrew language, that thousands of Israelis were warned not to go to the twin towers on 9/11. American Securities and Exchange Commission says Israeli citizens, sold short a list of 38 stocks that could reasonably be expected to fall in value as a result of the pending attacks. These speculators operated out of the Toronto, Canada and Frankfurt, Germany, stock exchanges and their profits were specifically stated to be in the hundreds of millions of dollars. Christopher Bollyn.
Maybe Jews who knew the attacks were going to happen, sat up late in Melbourne and Sydney, on the evening of September 11 2001, to watch the show which began in those cities sometime around 0002 AEST Sept 12. Maybe it was common knowledge in some schools, picture teenage entrepreneurs sitting up late, stuffing their guts with pizza, watching their investments mature. Did a spike occur in late night food orders in Australia prior to the attacks on the evening of 911, if it did, were those extra orders delivered to the homes of Jews. Frank Lowy for instance he of Westfield and Australian Soccer fame, was there a gay and hearty at his Australian house on the evening of 911.
911 The Explosive Reality vid… Has a Serbo Croatian mercenary at 1 hr 09 minutes… Take a look at the video… there is a Tomahawk Class Cruise Missile plummeting toward the WTC at 5 m 50 sec. The damage to WTC’s 4, 5 and 6 visible on high resolution photographs @ Killtown.com, said to be caused by the missile’s multiple thermonuclear warheads, reveal multiple cratering… One concrete panel inside the devastated WTC 6 appears to be partially vaporized, a shallow concave surface defining the event horizon of the thermonuclear fireball…
As the second jet rammed its target …that was an explosion, says Stephen McArdle a tax consultant from inside the Marriot Hotel, he was taping as part of an FBI sting operation… Then comes a longer and much louder explosion… the second explosion is thought to be the detonation of the missile’s warhead… Greg Smith 2002.
Check artwork on posters supposedly produced on behalf of alleged Islamic terror group Al Muhjiron, and The Magnificent Nineteen praising the virtues of the alleged nineteen 911 hijackers… as well as the artwork on the cover of Edward Hendrie’s book Antichrist Conspiracy… Inside the Devil’s Lair. Then take a look at the artwork produced of behalf of Mr Boredom, Steven Spielberg’s Star Wars trilogy, the similarities indicate that the same studio produced the whole lot.
The President said he saw the first 911 strike on TV in Florida, the networks never broadcast so his own people must have provided the link… Any presidential campaign built around 911 truth would probably get about ninety percent of the vote… Abortion is genocide.
“…the powerful few and the institutions they control — the government, the corporations, the armed forces, the major political parties, the foundation-funded pseudo-left, the universities, the mass media, Hollywood — have imposed near-total silence on the issue of what really happened on September 11th, 2001. Worse, most of them have cranked out endless tape-loops of mind-numbing propaganda aimed at reinforcing the official Big Lie. And yet the people are speaking out loud and clear: 9/11 was an inside job — an act of high treason and mass murder by our own leaders. K Barrett - MetalliTooL, on 12/06/2007, -3/+4They said they're pursuing nuclear power for peaceful purposes (ie energy). Bush insists that they're building a nuclear bomb.
- Talena, on 12/06/2007, -1/+2It doesn't matter when he knew what, he should know that kind of stuff, hes responsible, he should be blamed for it,
most of all for threatening WW3 - inactive, on 12/06/2007, -0/+1Bush don't know anything after all hes just a sockpuppet!
- Joe_rigby, on 12/06/2007, -3/+4What did he know, and when did he know it?
- chase001, on 12/06/2007, -1/+2What did the President know and when did he know it is something to be asked at his Impeachment about a great many things.
- jetboyterp, on 12/06/2007, -2/+3you honestly believe that Iran want's "peaceful uses of nuclear energy"? If so, you are very naive...
- DooM, on 12/06/2007, -0/+1The NIE is merely suggesting that there are other uses for enriched uranium and that the other parts of a nuke that they would need to construct a weapon from it are out of their reach until PROBABLY 2015 if they re-started their efforts today. So merely having fissile material (which the NIE says they're fairly sure that Iran has successfully purchased small amounts from outside of Iran) does not mean that Iran has the capability of making the bomb.
- drunkwally, on 12/06/2007, -0/+1He's the decider, he doesn't read things.
There was a report, some of the whitehouse staff would have told him about it. The report contained stuff that didn't fit the neocon agenda, so he tells them to bury it.
Now, when it becomes public he can legitimately claim he has never seen it, it was never given to him and he always thought they had WMD. No lies involved. - DooM, on 12/06/2007, -0/+1"The author of this most recent report was quoted as saying that Iran was indeed pursuing a bomb, as recent as this past July."
His testimony does draw questions but that they didn't know at that point and only found out over the next few months isn't the only possible answer to that question. With Hersh's article written in 2006 it is far more likely in my mind that the White House's interference meant that he didn't feel comfortable testifying about information that the WH was screaming at them was incorrect and needed to be re-evaluated and so he opted to testify with the current-as-far-as-the-public-knows information and omit everything else. Anything's possible but his testimony is definitely NOT a get out of jail free card for the administration. - nfkiller, on 12/06/2007, -1/+1Sorry, the CIA is unAmericun for not changing their intelligence report to echo the Regime's doctrine... my bad.
- jetboyterp, on 12/06/2007, -8/+8Bottom line: Iran said themselves that they have persued nuclear endeavors. IAEA said they have 3000 working centrifuges. And as "nastronomical" pointed out above, the way the MSM is portraying the NIE report is bogus.
- rand0mm0nkey, on 12/06/2007, -5/+5...and his cronies get richer while the country goes further in debt. Why do we let it happen? We are not doing anything about our pollution to the point that other countries will begin embargos on us shortly, as we are becoming ecoterrorists. Meanwhile, the world's currencies are passing us while we borrow to fund a war we didn't want.
Dems and Reps are both to blame. We need a different system. The one that's in place is there so we don't notice that Citibank, Walmart, etc. own us.
I used to be patriotic. Now I feel that being patriotic is no different than wearing company logos all over myself. - catalysis, on 12/06/2007, -3/+3If something was known before July, then the author of this NIE perjured himself.
- crapmatic, on 12/06/2007, -1/+1What's disappointing about all this is we'll never know the real story on how this intelligence story developed. I've looked through a mess of Cold War NIE's from the 1950s that have been available for some time under FOIA, and they're -still- chock full of redactions. WTF? Is there still stuff from the Civil War that's classified?
- inactive, on 12/06/2007, -3/+3Iran gives IAEA nuclear blueprints in attempt to ward off sanctions
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After years of stonewalling, Iran has given the UN nuclear agency blueprints showing how to mold uranium metal into the shape of warheads, diplomats said Tuesday, in an apparent concession meant to head off the threat of new UN sanctions.
But the diplomats said Teheran has failed to meet other requests made by the International Atomic Energy Agency in its attempts to end nearly two decades of nuclear secrecy on the part of the Islamic Republic.
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news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071114/ap_on_re_eu/nuclear_iran
VIENNA, Austria - Iran has met a key demand of the U.N. nuclear agency, handing over long-sought blueprints showing how to mold uranium metal into the shape of warheads, diplomats said Tuesday.
Both the IAEA and other experts have categorized the instructions outlined in the blueprints as having no value outside of a nuclear weapons program.
Senior IAEA officials were refused interviews with at least two top Iranian nuclear officials suspected of possible involvement in a weapons program, they said. One was the leader of a physics laboratory at Lavizan, outside Tehran, which was razed before the agency had a chance to investigate activities there. The other was in charge of developing Iran's centrifuges, used to enrich uranium. - loganhid, on 12/05/2007, -8/+8Israel? why the hell do we have to care what Israel opinion is - ''their not happy with the report'' - This just proves US government is Israel's bitch
- inactive, on 12/06/2007, -3/+2As of today Iran wants to increase the number of centrifuges from 3,000 to 50,000
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06.12.2007
Iran seeking 50,000 nuclear centrifuges
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has called a US intelligence estimate on Tehran's nuclear programme a "great victory", adding that Iran is now seeking 50,000 centrifuges to enrich uranium. Earlier, US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice repeated warnings by US President George W. Bush that Iran remains a nuclear threat despite a new US intelligence report that Tehran suspended its secret nuclear weapons programme in 2003. The head of the UN's nuclear watchdog, Mohamed El-Baradei, has suggested the US study vindicates Iran "somewhat" and offered Tehran an opportunity to resolve the crisis over its atomic programme. - xGORDOx, on 12/06/2007, -2/+1That's not really true.
The author of this most recent report was quoted as saying that Iran was indeed pursuing a bomb, as recent as this past July.
The bigger question here is why this report is so drastically different that it was a mere five months ago.
Sure, if you're a total partisan hack you can blame Bush and Cheney, but if you agree that logic is the key to the universe, you have to question why this Doctor is all of a sudden changing his own assessment.
Has the intelligence regarding Iran so drastically changed or are his politics part of a report that should contain none?
Everyone is so quick to point at the administration, but take a step back and ask why this guys "official" reports have done a 180 in the last five months.
We should be able to see the info he based both these reports on, because he's lying about something. - cheesehead, on 12/06/2007, -2/+1It's obvious to most in the world that there are two insane people in charge of America. Can't you do anything about it?
- nfkiller, on 12/06/2007, -4/+3Yes, the Bush Regime should preemptively bomb the CIA for not supporting their propaganda. The CIA is unAmericun.
- Thex1138, on 12/06/2007, -3/+2Bush knows that the Christian majority of the US want him to bomb the crap out of the middle east....
- nsareadthis, on 12/06/2007, -2/+1TREATY ON THE NON-PROLIFERATION OF NUCLEAR WEAPONS (which Iran is a signatory to - unlike US allies India, Pakistan or Israel)
Article IV
1. Nothing in this Treaty shall be interpreted as affecting the inalienable right of all the Parties to the Treaty to develop research, production and use of nuclear energy for peaceful purposes without discrimination ...
2. All the Parties to the Treaty undertake to facilitate, and have the right to participate in, the fullest possible exchange of equipment, materials and scientific and technological information for the peaceful uses of nuclear energy. .... - bowens44, on 12/06/2007, -5/+4I'd be willing to pay bush to sit down and keep his stupid mouth shut.
- inactive, on 12/06/2007, -3/+1You were NEVER patriotic...maybe vitriolic but not patriotic.
- Crimsoneer, on 12/05/2007, -4/+2Its also true that Israel's intelligence has always been pretty damn far ahead of ours in the middle east, even if it is due to their complete lack of morality.
- jetboyterp, on 12/06/2007, -5/+3The Clinton administration, particularly Madeline Albright, gave North Korea nuclear plants...that Dear Leader Kim said was to be used for "peaceful, energy purposes". The UN had cameras in the N. Korean nuke plants. After a few years, the N. Koreans pulled the cameras out, and pursued nuclear weapons.
And you still trust that Ahmabibblebabble in Iran is telling the truth? Don't kid yourself... - xGORDOx, on 12/06/2007, -3/+1Dude, go wiki "Plausible Deniability".
It has been around a lot longer than the Reagan era, if fact it goes back to JFK.
He was a Dem so I don't imagine you'll be placing blame on him right? - tsotha, on 12/06/2007, -5/+2Well, the fact that Hersch is involved is the final clue it's a political hit-job. I was a little skeptical to start with, since I'm not sure how you can prove something isn't there. But now that I know the report team was headed up by two former State guys who are rabidly anti-Bush, and they've been leaking it to Hersch, it's pretty clear this is just more of CIA domestic politicking.
I wish they'd get off their asses in Langley and actually try to find out what's going on in the world. - skews13, on 12/06/2007, -5/+2they're trying to start another war.to keep the war profits comming in long after they're gone.the democrats will now have to start taking impeachment hearings,a lot more seriously,than they have been.at the very least,all contractors associated with this administration,must be fired,and all contracts voided.surely even the supporters of this administration should be crying foul over this one.that is if you truly support country over party
- PrettyAngels, on 12/06/2007, -5/+2I like peace because everybody has the happiness.
- inactive, on 12/06/2007, -10/+7** REPORT IS A FRAUD***
http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2007/1 ...
NIE: An Abrupt About-Face
As many recognize, the latest NIE on Iran’s nuclear weapons program directly contradicts what the U.S. Intelligence Community was saying just two years previously. And it appears that this about-face was very recent. How recent?
Consider that on July 11, 2007, roughly four or so months prior to the most recent NIE’s publication, Deputy Director of Analysis Thomas Fingar gave the following testimony before the House Armed Services Committee (emphasis added):
Iran and North Korea are the states of most concern to us. The United States’ concerns about Iran are shared by many nations, including many of Iran’s neighbors. Iran is continuing to pursue uranium enrichment and has shown more interest in protracting negotiations and working to delay and diminish the impact of UNSC sanctions than in reaching an acceptable diplomatic solution. We assess that Tehran is determined to develop nuclear weapons--despite its international obligations and international pressure. This is a grave concern to the other countries in the region whose security would be threatened should Iran acquire nuclear weapons.
This paragraph appeared under the subheading: "Iran Assessed As Determined to Develop Nuclear Weapons." And the entirety of Fingar’s 22-page testimony was labeled "Information as of July 11, 2007." No part of it is consistent with the latest NIE, in which our spooks tell us Iran suspended its covert nuclear weapons program in 2003 "primarily in response to international pressure" and they "do not know whether (Iran) currently intends to develop nuclear weapons."
The inconsistencies are more troubling when we realize that, according to the Wall Street Journal, Thomas Fingar is one of the three officials who were responsible for crafting the latest NIE. The Journal cites "an intelligence source" as describing Fingar and his two colleagues as "hyper-partisan anti-Bush officials." (The New York Sun drew attention to one of Fingar’s colleagues yesterday.)
So, if it is true that Dr. Fingar played a leading role in crafting this latest NIE, then we are left with serious questions:
Why did your opinion change so drastically in just four months time?
Is the new intelligence or analysis really that good? Is it good enough to overturn your previous assessments? Or, has it never really been good enough to make a definitive assessment at all?
Did your political or ideological leanings, or your policy preferences, or those of your colleagues, influence your opinion in any way?
Many in the mainstream press have been willing to cite this latest NIE unquestioningly. Perhaps they should start asking some pointed questions. (Don’t hold your breath.) - bogdanglushak, on 12/05/2007, -5/+1It's just the nature of politicians all over the world to lie and to tell that there's no data available and they did not know this or that.
I'd like to see their dreams and to listen to their conscience if there's one. - Urusai, on 12/06/2007, -8/+2Remember "plausible deniability"? A little something Reagan's crew invented to cover their crimes, although Reagan *was* senile.
- laterthandawn, on 12/05/2007, -10/+2Not much, ever.
And that's (quite clearly) just the way Cheney and Co want it.
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