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- Gerz1219, on 10/12/2007, -6/+72Karl Rove is the one telling Bush to send more troops. Not because doing so will prevent a hopeless defeat in Iraq, but because it will prolong the conflict just long enough to pass the buck to our next president. Karl Rove (and other Republican strategists) are looking beyond 2008, and they realize that since Bush's legacy will taint the Republican party for years to come, they just can't have Bush pull the plug on his own mistake. It's damage control. If President Clinton or President Obama is the one who actually makes the final call, then at least Republicans in the future will be able to point the finger at a Democratic president and Congress, and claim that we could've won in Iraq if only the baby-eating hand-wringing liberals hadn't gotten in the way. The situation is deteriorating so rapidly that the only way to prevent total humiliation on Bush's watch is to offer up 20,000 extra troops as cannon fodder -- Bush has no problems with the additional casualities as long as *he* doesn't have to give The Speech. This is why you don't vote for a president based on whether you'd like to have a beer with him.
- NipGrip, on 10/12/2007, -10/+52FLIP FLOPPER!!!
- Vezran, on 10/12/2007, -10/+47there is nothing in his entire life that Gerorge W. Bush has not ***** up. He's not very smart and he can't do anything particularly well. His daddy's connections got him into Yale, where he partied and got C's.
His daddy gave him an oil company to run and he drove it to bankruptcy; his daddy bought him a baseball team to manage and he traded away their best player.
He was a mean drunk who got arested for driving under the influence and threatened to beat up his father, and he was born again as a mean Christian who knew all about the apocalypse but not the Beatitudes. He's a crappy father who brought up a couple of hard-partying, half-bright brats just like him.
He gave away tax cuts to his campaign donors and blew hundreds of billions on vanity wars and turned the Clinton surplus into a defecit. He squandered the goodwill of the entire world after 9/11 and lied us into a pointless war that he still can't win.
He failed to evacuate his citizens before the greatest natural catastrophe in the nation's history and failed to help them afterward. The only thing he's done successfully is to dutifully sign any law that's written and put before him by the people who paid for and own his presidency. He lies and pretends to be a good ol' boy, but was born in Massachusetts to one of the wealthiest families in America.
He is easily the worst president in U.S. history, a disatrous failure in a crucial era. He's a complete *****, a failure, and an *****. If his daddy hadn't been rich and powerful he'd be bullying his teenage employees at an Arby's now.
We need to get rid of the gang mentality that pervades politics. I'm red, you're blue. I'm conservative, you're liberal. *****. We're all citizens. We should have a direct democracy and get rid of representatives all together. Joichi Ito wrote an essay on a topic about how the internet could be used as a way to have a direct democracy very easily. If enough people are willing to pour over Wikipedia, I'm sure enough people will take every law that affects them into great consideration. We're underselling individual rights when representatives are involved. It's like the Whip *****, the guy that pressures other people of his party to vote a certain way. Isn't that exactly what should not be done? Ever? - otheruser, on 10/12/2007, -2/+39"If we don’t stop extending our troops all around the world in nation-building missions, we’re going to have a serious problem coming down the road."
- George W. Bush - cagedog, on 10/12/2007, -4/+29"Reality has a well-known liberal bias" -- Stephen Colbert
- spinchange, on 10/12/2007, -6/+26No one in the cabinet has recommended this. The Joint Chief's of Staff do not recommend it, nor do the current (soon to be former) ground Commanders. Former Military men like Colin Powell, Oliver North, and Wesley Clark don't support the idea either.
Former Defense Secretary Rumsfled recommended rapid redeployment by April of 2008.
Let's see what Bush does when he addresses the nation this week on the "new" plan. Let's see if he takes the advice of his Cabinet and Commanders, etc or that of the neo-conservative intelligensia
- techdugger, on 10/12/2007, -7/+24dude. changing your mind in whether or not you want an omelete for breakfast is one thing
changing your mind whether or not tens of thousands of soldiers will be sent to iraq to fight a ***** war is something totally different - daGUY, on 10/12/2007, -5/+22Bush also said back then that "if our commanders on the ground say we need more troops, I will send them." He neglected to add that he would send more anyway, even if they said they didn't want them, which is what's happening now (see http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/15/abizaid-mccain-iraq/ - Gen. Abizaid, the CentCom commander, said he talked to every one of his commanders and none of them wanted escalation).
If our press had any credibility at all, maybe someone would ask him about his earlier comments, and how he would explain the discrepancy...oh well. - siszam, on 10/12/2007, -3/+19How about when the person you disagree with is trying to keep your son in Iraq until he dies? Because my son is there and the longer troops stay there the better chance he has of being killed. The soldiers are being shot at and blown up. They face death every moment and the president acts like it's no big deal. Keep them there forever. Send more to slaughter. What you see is not a "liberal bias". It's a sane bias. Sane people have known for a long time that this war is bull, but armchair warriors who don't have children over there support it. When your contribution is sitting on your fat ass running your mouth while people die for you I guess a thumbs down to your precious president does seem a little harsh because you're a coward. Maybe you think we should be giving the thumbs up to all the flag draped caskets coming home. Just what the hell does someone have to do to get a thumbs down from something like you?
- oskite, on 10/12/2007, -3/+18Best post ever.
- OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -10/+25IMPEACH
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17Kerry recommended expanding the size of the Army, not sending more troops.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15@spartan777
Why don't you explain that "context" to us, Asshat.
You neo-clown goobers will say anything in support of the boy-king and his failed policy in Iraq. It makes me sick.
I can't decide if you deserve -3000 diggs or -20000 diggs (one for every soldier severely maimed in this ***** up mess) - freff, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15http://www.aei.org/about/
- apersaud, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13I hate how he says "OUR" strategy. I think he's the only one still pushing for this strategy. Its really HIS strategy.
- Karmalary, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11I support my son 100% in his decision to join. That does not mean I have to support a leader I disagree with. Who, I might point out, was doing a rich kids' cop out in the National Guard while my Dad was in Vietnam.
- ErosAlpha, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13I am a native german, and I read everyday about the lies of president bush. I just read a article in the politics section here on digg about bush suspending habeas corpus and passing other freedom restricting laws in the USA. http://www.digg.com/politics/In_the_United_States_of_Bush_A_MUST_READ This is not all that surprising with Bush's pattern of lieing. His false war, based on false pretenses, does not look good to the rest of the world. Adding more troops is not surprsing as it is just another lie in hte long history of his lies. My father has said, the americans are starting to become germany in 1939. Maybe he is right.
- kingatrock, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11democrat: "see!!"
republican: "yeah, but still." - Karmalary, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10siszam: My son is in Iraq as well, and I couldn't agree more. Just bring our kids home. Now. Your war, Mr. President, is a fools errand and has only made an already unsafe world more so. I pity your grandchildren, when they have read in the history books what you did. And they will.
- Vezran, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10@ Spikito too
Too goddamn bad for all those people without cars that depend on the city's public transportation. I guess they'll figure something out. Oh wait. The busses won't run because it's flooded, well ***** it. I'm sure they'll be fine. It's not like those levies that were built by the Army's Corps of Engineers will break. Oh wait. Well it's their fault that slave-traders brought them to the South anyway. Oh, goddamn wait. - OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Many of us knew that 9/11 and Iraq were two different things, and that hunting Bin Laden didn't require invasions all over the world, and we tried to tell the rest of America this. But our follow Americans didn't listen. They were too intent on revenge. They listened to Bush's lies and willingly went off to kill innocent Iraqis. The Iraqi insurgency didn't exist until we forced its creation by the invasion. Already, the toll is far greater than Saddam's post-Iran-Iraq war crimes.
I can't feel sympathy for someone who chose to go to war even while I and many others, including members of the US government and military, tried to tell them the truth. They brought this upon themselves for choosing to follow Bush on his foolish, criminal crusade. WE TOLD YOU THIS WOULD HAPPEN! - Ganchula, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Yeah, when conservatives do this, it's "times change". When liberals, it's "flip flopping" or worse.
http://www.factcheck.org/article269.html - Gerz1219, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11Yet somehow, that didn't stop Bush from winning re-election almost entirely on a "Get your story straight" platform. Don't get me wrong here, I actually agree with you. I just hope some of the conservatives who are now wildly flip-flopping appreciate the irony, or at least the frustration of combatting flip-flop logic.
- thepompano, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11If the press asked him about it, the press secretary would probably just respond by saying that different degrees of sectarian violence in the past would call for different strategies involving consolidation with the Iraqi people. It wouldn't make a difference because we don't have an official declaration of what victory in Iraq means, which results in a conflicting public opinion of how to fight the war. Sadly, the Bush Adminstration will dick around as long as they want, and until they openly set goals for Iraq, they can probably get away with doing whatever they want.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8I'm sorry, I do believe that those who join the army swear an oath to defend the country against all threats.
Not to be sent off to a pointless war to die so people can profit from it. - Vezran, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11you are unbelievably retarded. Bush and his crew invented the term flip-flopping. Kerry voted for the war and was then against it.
"Flip flopping" is a ***** phrase. It's dynamic thought, people are allowed to have that. What Bush is doing here is the same thing he attacked Kerry for. Kerry wasn't a saint at all. He was pretty dumb too in that he said what he and his handlers thought people wanted to hear.
When Bush was THIRTY years old he got a DUI and had his license suspended until he was 32. He kept that a secret while holding public office as Texas Governor. He withheld that information. I think that driving under the influence is way way worse than chucking some ***** ribbons away.
And if Kerry had stressed this point like nuts, he would have won.
Kerry: "I fought admirably in the Vietnam War and received various commendments for that service, when I returned I was confronted with extremely strong anti-war sentiment and I agreed with the arguments of that movement. I found myself in a position where I could lend credibility to the movement that I believed in. So I took the oppurtunity to right what I saw as wrongs. At the same time, my opponent was snorting cocaine, drinking every night, taking his 16-year-old brother barhopping, going AWOL and getting DUIs. Vote for me, you *****." - baxtermaddux, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10mmm...fresh flip flops! get em while they're hot
- cagedog, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9@Spikito
Poor people don't always have cars or money to stay in hotels. You wonder why Katrina victims didn't just pack up their SUVs and go stay at a Motel 6? - Ganchula, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7@ JoCliMe
Someone has a right to be upset when their contribution is being squandered or wasted even though they gave it freely. Say you give a bum on the street a dollar. He rips it up and throws it away. Would you be annoyed? Maybe wish you hadn't given it to him, even though you gave it freely and had good intentions? Yeah. - GabrielS, on 10/12/2007, -8/+15I don't understand. Who is recommending to the President that the United States send more troops? Do we know if any of his cabinet is making this recomendation?
- michaelb1, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9random convsersation from red state America circa sept 2000:
"I like Bush. He's the type a good ol boy I'd like to have a beer with. A real regler joe like us. He'd be a great prezident.
Som'un that'd stand up for us little guys and send them ***** liberals to hell" - michaelb1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7HA! You called Bush flexible.
Did you just arrive on planet Earth?
Because the other 300 million of us Americans know a different truth. - Valarauka, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6freff's right: the source is the "Plan for Victory in Iraq" authored by Keane and Kagan of the AEI. Here's a good article about where it's coming from: http://www.antiwar.com/roberts/?articleid=10256
- beers, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7have you ever seen that thing that Letterman does? the one about the moments in presidential history?
"we have nothing to fear, but fear itself"
"ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country"
follow that up by anything bush says and you have an instant joke.
other than bringing saddam to justice, the whole war in iraq has been a flop. the reasons for the war kept changing, as a lack of evidence (weapons of mass D) was growing. after about 5 years the country is just as restless and sadly there are many casualties and the end is not insight.
further, i think that the US peace plan for the middle east is a farce. there has been unrest there for as long as i can remember, so what makes one think that the middle east (who are not incredibly fond of americans) will just accept a third party's advise. don't get me wrong, i'd love to see more peace on this planet.
I agree with a previous post that some goals should be set and until such a time, all that is happening is meaningless.
Way to go Bush! - masamunecyrus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7"America does not go abroad in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own. " - John Quincy Adams
It's a shame we don't listen to our forefathers. John Quincy Adams was perhaps the best president at foreign policy we've ever had. - NeedleGuy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6bush's stratergery is to add more troops to his quagmire.... which NOBODY SAYS IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO... (except for his newest round of yes men that he has put in charge of the troops)... gwb isn't learning from his mistakes... HIS WHOLE LIFE HAS BEEN A MISTAKE.... from being a coke head to an alcoholic to a liar to an unfit president.
IMPEACH BUSH NOW!!!! - earthtoandy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6he wouldnt increase troops early in the war when generals asked for it and it could of made a difference. Now during the occupation, when troops increase wont help anyway, he wants to send more when we should be making the case of defining Iraq as self sustaining and showing an exit strategy to but our citizens and theres. Context matters.
Hes a miserable leader and is only making it worse. I am aghast that this is critisized more. - harperb, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Bush's newly appointed military advisors said he should send more troops. Of course Bush made up his mind that he wanted to send more troops, so he appointed someone who would give him the answer he wanted, since the military generals on the ground in Iraq did not.
See:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6232889.stm
Abazaid, etc did not want more troops, and now he's "retiring".
Even alot of the soldiers think it's a bad idea apparently:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061228/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_more_troops_1
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/17/40k-more-troops/
Ugh, how many more years do we have left of this? :-/ - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I might go and set some houses alight, because the people that will put them out chose to be firefighters. What great logic.
- earthtoandy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5yeah but i dont think another stupid move of futilty against the recommendations of every expert thats not a part of this administration is even more ridiculous
- OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7I don't know why you're being dug down for that. I guess some Diggers aren't aware of what we're building in Iraq.
http://www.fcnl.org/iraq/bases.htm
http://www.motherjones.com/news/outfront/2005/03/enduring_bases_iraq.html
And look, we were quietly told about this since the beginning:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2004/040323-enduring-bases.htm
That's a 2004 article. Kind of makes this discussion of troop levels seem rather quaint, doesn't it?
The people behind this war (the so-called "Neocons") don't give a ***** what you or anyone in the US government thinks. They are intent on pushing through their agenda no matter what the cost. That agenda is to establish a presence in the middle-east without dependency on Saudi Arabia or on middle-eastern oil.
Now guess what they planned to do after this part of the plan was completed.
All we had to do was move to alternative fuels. Instead, these criminals have chosen war. Chosen murder. - Krakn3Dfx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Show me one solid, good idea that George W. Bush has had since he took office that has actually helped Americans. There is none, and there's no reason to believe he's going to start now.
His war on terror is a war on the U.S. and everything good, honest people who don't use religion as a crutch believe in. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4This is Rove's legacy. The man succeeded at sowing partisanship beyond his wildest dreams. He's created an us-vs-them environment that permeates every aspect of our environment. News, entertainment, religion...all of these are being used to classify, catagorize and divide us, which isn't really new. What's new is that we are not only accepting it, we are embracing it. Lib and con are labels we accept as part of our identity now.
- Ganchula, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5spartan777:
http://www.cbo.gov/budget/historical.pdf
http://www.uuforum.org/deficit.htm - dggeek, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@joclime
Entering the service to protect one's country is not the same as volunteering to die by the whim of a military-industrial complex. - Vezran, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I cant wait until our kids study this war like we studied Nam. Those are going to be fun times.
- tabledesk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4But remember that we also often find ourselves criticizing the Bush administration for ludicrously "staying the course" and not changing plans when circumstances clearly pronounce otherwise.
- ecorona, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Bush isn't the problem. There will always be dummies running for office. The problem is 1) the media for not informing the general public 2) the people for not digging deeper 3) Congress for backing the president as a way to secure re-election 4) the people for being so easily fooled 5) Congress for not providing oversight...
We abandoned Geneva conventions, allowed breaches of the constitution, tortured, started a war for no good reason which we'll be paying for decades later which led to the death of over a hundred thousand Iraqis and 3000 Americans, WTF!?
Not only is the USA hated more than ever, we've lost political influence, and when people think of the USA the words "torture", "murder", "war profiteering", and "corruption" come to mind. This is verifiable. By the way, I'm not liberal, I'm anti-*****. - earthtoandy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6"no new taxes"
it runs in the family. - freff, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4It's a little late for his "publicly advertised" rethinking now, don't you think? What happened to Iraq going "swimmingly" in October, when people asked these same questions they're asking now.
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