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Obama Blogosphere Having Trouble Respecting Clinton

eyesonobama.com — This blog is one example of the position of many Obama supporters – that even though the Obama campaign is trying to be as gracious as possible to Hillary Clinton, it is hard to follow their example because of her continued attacks.

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  • kdawg1012, on 05/11/2008, -5/+26That's the problem. I want to see the Democrats united so that we win in November. But her constant attacks on Obama and her unbelievably negative campaign makes it really difficult to respect her (or Bill for that matter).
  • debunkthelies, on 05/11/2008, -2/+24I find it very hard to not say something nasty, Senator Clinton has lost my respect as a woman and as a Senator. She's acting more like a woman scorned than a losing contender. Frankly it's embarrassing.
  • preneel, on 05/11/2008, -1/+21I agree. She makes me very angry. But at the same time I want HRC supporters to unite and beat McCain in the fall.
  • PaulLev, on 05/11/2008, -1/+16The key point to remember is that Hillary's attacks and attitude will have no impact whatsoever on Obama getting the nomination - he has it locked up now. But that's not the same as winning the general election, and we need every vote we can get to make sure McCain doesn't win. I'd like to see McCain lose by a landslide.
  • tcbishop12, on 05/12/2008, -2/+16In their debate in Philadelphia, after moderator George Stephanoplous had raised the question of Obama's relationship with Ayers, Hillary Clinton elaborated on the subject, seeking to add to its significance:
    SEN. CLINTON: ...I also believe that Senator Obama served on a board with Mr. Ayers for a period of time, the Woods Foundation, which was a paid directorship position. And if I'm not mistaken, that relationship with Mr. Ayers on this board continued after 9/11 and after his reported comments, which were deeply hurtful to people in New York, and I would hope to every American, because they were published on 9/11 and he said that he was just sorry they hadn't done more. And what they did was set bombs and in some instances people died. So it is -- you know, I think it is, again, an issue that people will be asking about.

    Just last week, Clinton was cold-bloodedly asserting to USA Today that she was the candidate favored by “hard-working Americans, white Americans,” and that her opponent, Barack Obama, the black candidate, just can’t cut it with that crowd.

    “There’s a pattern emerging here,” said Mrs. Clinton.

    There is, indeed. There was a name for it when the Republicans were using that kind of lousy rhetoric to good effect: it was called the Southern strategy, although it was hardly limited to the South. Now the Clintons, in their desperation to find some way — any way — back to the White House, have leapt aboard that sorry train.

    He can’t win! Don’t you understand? He’s black! He’s black!

    She does not believe the nomination is locked up, and as her campaign chairman Terry McAuliffe stated on Meet the Press today:

    “First off, no one is the nominee. Everyone needs to be clear, until someone gets the magic number of the delegates, 2209, you are not the nominee of the Democratic Party. . . Nothing's impossible. Look, tomorrow--something new could happen. Nothing's impossible.. . in fairness, the Rules and Bylaws Committee will meet on, on the 31st to make that decision.

    MR. RUSSERT: So if Senator Obama has enough elected delegates, plus superdelegates, to add up to 2,025, will Senator Clinton then say "all right, he's the nominee"?

    MR. McAULIFFE: Let's let the Rules and Bylaws meet on the 31st. Whatever determination they make--because it's up to the Rules and Bylaws to determine if we include Florida and Michigan--after that's done I've always said this, Tim, is someone has the magic number to be the nominee of the Democratic Party, then they're the nominee of the Democratic Party. But until we get to that number, anyone can fight.

    While I ordinarily agree with the good professor – and I see his point here as well – we must understand that Hillary Clinton will attempt to use her strong-arm influence to change the nominating rules on May 31 and that she is looking for an opening – any opening – any rationale – any “meme” – that can justify such anti-democratic backroom conduct to the superdelegates and the electorate under the banner of saving the party from making the wrong choice.

    As Peggy Noonan noted, it's not math anymore, it's psychodrama. If she can't have it, no one can have it. If she has to tear the party apart, she will.

    Until the superdelegates end it – which is who we are really talking to (in whatever form, diluted or direct) -- and until she concedes, Hillary Rodham Clinton is a loose cannon taking aim at the party’s chances in November, and a very dangerous cornered animal, apparently willing to go nuclear on the party’s nominee, leaving us to pick up the pieces of her destruction. This must end, and the sooner, superdelegates, the better.
  • lopwise2, on 05/12/2008, -3/+12A person should not expect respect unless they show themselves to be respectful. It is not something that comes from status. It comes the good old fashion way, you have to earn it.
    • Gemfinder, on 05/12/2008, -0/+7I disagree. I tend to respect people by default, until they do or say something that shows they're not worthy of it.
      Hillary, however, has shown she is unworthy. She could have denounced Operation Chaos and taken Rush Limbaugh to task for it, but she didn't.
  • marabout40, on 05/12/2008, -2/+6Hillary Clinton is a woman scorned.
  • mahsah, on 05/12/2008, -4/+3Duh?
  • zephyear, on 05/12/2008, -1/+14Any normal person is having trouble respecting Clinton after this.
    • Gemfinder, on 05/12/2008, -0/+7This is where my hope lies. This campaign has shown Washington DC that the People won't stand for the old school politics of slash-and-burn, of tearing down your opponent. America is very guilty: it started with Thomas Jefferson, a dedicated and vicious mudslinger.
      But this isn't the 1800s. It's a new day. I look forward to the next twenty-five years of American politics and governance.
  • whataboutdave, on 05/12/2008, -1/+10This fascinates me. Even after the Democratic nomination has essentially been settled in Obama's favor, there is still such resentment on the Democratic side. HRC is hell bent on office and will stop at nothing, even after it is apparent she has lost. The Obama people are noticing and they can't be too happy.

    Don't look now, but Hillary could spoil this entire election cycle with her divisive style of politicking.
  • jforjools, on 05/12/2008, -1/+7Well, all I know is this: If the Clinton supporters do not unit behind Obama, he will in all likelihood lose the election in the fall. It's ok (and perfectly sane) to be wary and distrusting of Clinton. **Yet** to speak respectfully about her (hard as it may be), DOES respect her supporters. If we want the Clinton supporters to join our team, it is time to be very careful to avoid disrespecting them. (Slamming her hard feels good -- but it is counterproductive at this stage.)

    I remember how pissed I was when Hillary was ( a couple of months ago) making many overtures about how stupid/gullible all of Obama's supporters were. I'm trying to remember that when I talk about HRC now. If you talk about her as an evil caricature, then it follows that only stupid/gullible people would support her.

    I'm also trying to be conscious of this:
    Yes, Hillary can be the spoiler of this entire election cycle if she wants to be.
    But yes too, Obama supporters can unfortunately also contribute to the demise of this election if we're not careful.

    I haven't yet mastered the art of cleaning up my Clinton-talk.
    I'm writing this mostly as a reminder to myself of where I need to be with this.
    • cranium, on 05/12/2008, -2/+2I'm not letting up the trash talk until we're safe from her, which is when Obama puts someone else in the VP slot.

      The Clinton loyalists will be voting for McCain in November so she can run in 4 years anyway. Obama does the best with swing voters, he needs to pull his numbers from there to win. Those votes are twice as valuable as the Clinton supporters' votes, because he gets the vote just the same but he also takes one away from McCain at the same time, whereas a good number of the Clinton loyalists who want to be sore losers will just stay home.
  • vxgasattack, on 05/12/2008, -0/+6This is part of the reason why it boggles me so much why such a large number of Obama supporters would still like to see Hillary as his running mate for VP. Screw that *****! What are you thinking???
  • redcolumbine, on 05/12/2008, -0/+7I do respect her supporters, in the same way I respect our armed forces. They were lied to, and did what they thought was right for the country. And I respect the Senator's rights as a citizen and a human being. But I don't respect the DISRESPECTFUL way she flouts law and insults the American public. She has a right to a fair trial, and to compete for and hold a position which makes use of her legal and Washington savvy in a way that serves the people, not her personal ambition.
  • wild, on 05/12/2008, -0/+7I dont know. As an Obama supporter, a lot of the stuff I see written about HRC angers me. I thought we liked Obama because we were above that?
    • cranium, on 05/12/2008, -0/+3No, we like Obama because he wants to end the war and he's not a corrupt evil lying piece of crap like Hillary.
    • aussiejan, on 05/14/2008, -0/+1No, we like Obama because HE's about that.
  • CAPITALLETTERS, on 05/12/2008, -7/+2Obama spam, buried.
  • smotpoker, on 05/12/2008, -0/+2Trash talk is stupid and just pisses people off. When it is about someone famous, they usually never even hear what you specifically are saying, you just polarize people, antagonizing those who like the person you're referring into acting rashly/oppositional in the process and propagating the cycle. Everyone should stop trying to be so adversarial with such important issues.


    You can state facts as facts all you want, and debate them, without *trying* to demean the candidates they outline and *everyone* who disbelieves/disregards those facts in the process. Even the worst psycho-pedophile-murderer scumbags on the planet should get *some* respect (at least until they attack you personally). Not necessarily because they deserve it but because those who might still love them do - and it makes you a better person to not let hostility run your life and taint others'
  • bluevillage, on 05/13/2008, -0/+2I'm actually alarmed by the hate speech I see from so many people on the internet against all of the candidates. I think Obama's going to need to take the lead in lowering the temperature. Don't know if it will work.
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