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- otheruser, on 10/11/2007, -4/+37Only 8 out of 18 benchmarks were "satisfactorily" met. Without paying attention to the fact that most were just barely met, as is indicated by this report, that's 44%.
How the ***** is that victory? - totorototoro, on 10/11/2007, -5/+19Dude, when your own approval rating is at 29%, that 44% looks like a HUGE VICTORY :p
- empirefalling, on 10/11/2007, -3/+17The Iraqis never asked to be liberated...The US destroyed a nation and it's people.
- jmpeagle, on 10/11/2007, -3/+14how would victory in Iraq even benefit the U.S.? If we got violence under control and Iraq stabilized and produced a democratic government, they would not be our allies and we would have propped up another theocracy/democracy. It would have cost ass loads of money and the world would be no different than if Saddam was still in power. I see no reason why not to leave. The genocide that could happen in Iraq is as much as our concern as Sudan, Congo, or Sri Lanka. If the world thinks it is a huge problem then send in the UN, the U.S. shouldn't have to foot this cost.
- Ajajadude, on 10/11/2007, -4/+14Delusion can make you argue with anything.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -4/+12It's just so sad that a majority of the country took this long to catch a clue.
- aliengoods, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8So you hate just about all newspapers?
- hawkeye17, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8Just using the term "moonbat" means your opinion is biased and means nothing.
- mookiemookie, on 10/11/2007, -4/+11How do you argue with numbers and published facts?
- brianbennett, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6I think y'all should give the Iraqi government a break. They have to govern with the incessant sound of gunfire and bombs, death threats and the occasional assassination. Our politicians live in the lap of luxury and they can't get ***** done either.
- hawkeye17, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5Dug down as 'more spam".
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -4/+9You argue them with fudged numbers and lies. By the way... If you see Victory, tell him he left his teeth in the glass by the bed.
- crweaks23, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6sonofdy1... You post a lot of things similar to this comment, with recent diggs on stories such as "Edwards' Headquarters Becoming Nuisance to Neighbors" and "Media Matters: Hillary’s Lap Dogs." Although I completely disagree with you, I don't want to argue or begin the (inevitable) partisan name calling game.
What I really want to know how you have come to the conclusion that we are victorious? If you can provide me with something tangible I would listen intently. If you truly think that I say that this "war" is lost because I want it to be, please, please, please, if nothing else, understand this: I WANT TO "WIN", TOO! I didn't want this "war" started, true, but having no say in the matter, I would have loved for our troops to march into Iraq, destroy Saddam, dismantle Al Qaeda, and get our priorities focued back on Afghanistan. You can't possibly think that I WANT America to look foolish to the rest of the world by admitting our failures in the Middle East... or can you??
Believe me... no, TRUST me, if there was any sense of victory in Iraq, I would be just as happy as you. The difference between you and I is that I am willing to admit I may have been wrong about something in favor of the lives of thousands of people. It seems to me that you are not willing to see the light on this issue - and you are not alone - for no other reason other than the fact that you don't want to be wrong, and you don't want US (America) to be wrong. Unfortunately, you can't change what's real by believing what is not.
It's time to fold your hand, because everyone else at the table knows you don't have anything. Pushing more chips into the pot will only result in losing more chips. - Drexus, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5I could see Bush getting very upset that an "F" was on the report card. He would publicly fight to get that "F+"... and all that implies.
- FredoBerfil, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3I'm just surprised as to how people continue to tune into Bush's press conferences, as if they somehow expect he'll actually say something different, or connected to reality.
- udahlen, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Almost everything Bush says is false, and in most cases the exact opposite of what he says is the actual truth.
- Bdog2g2, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Don't talk to the loonies "hawkeye17" it disturbs them, we like it when they're peacefully in their own world.
Its a shame one of them got a way and is running the country. - thore, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5Cut and copy on every Bush story FTL.
- FredoBerfil, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3I've always thought that it's telling how Fox News' motto is "fair and balanced." When you really think about it, sometimes being "fair" means not being "balanced." Trying to take a "balanced" view of this monstrously disastrous Iraq debacle does a disservice to the obvious totality of facts on the ground - the Iraq was was a mistake, it's not making us any safer, "victory" is a completely undefined moving target that doesn't exist, and our "president" is utterly delusional. Any attempt to "balance" these obvious facts is just Orwellian.
- JonLatane, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Bush has shown "satisfactory performance" the way kids who fail their freshman year of high school 3 times showed "satisfactory performance" in grades K-8.
- nonchai, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4read this to see why bush was elected: a journalist spends time with conservatives on a cruise organised by a leadig conservative magazine:
http://digg.com/offbeat_news/Cruising_with_the_right_wing_nut_jobs - Godlike, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
- mtjohnson, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3So you want your news organizations to choose which items to report so as to get a 'balanced view of both the good and the bad'?
I'd rather have my news organizations report on reality and facts. Just a guess, your favorite channel is FoxNews, right? - pissflaps, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4They put Fox News to print now?
- kreneskyp, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3hes right on the mark with his assessment. schools in this country push kids through just because they don't want 1) themselves, the teacher, to look bad 2) the school to look bad. Bush's cronies cherry picked some things they could try and list as satisfactory because they know they would lose all support if the truth was told.
- NSMike, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4"It depends on what your definition of 'satisfactory' is."
- Bdog2g2, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4Yeah, but from a grade perspective 29% or 44%, its still a ***** "
I'm sure Bush is trying to argue that this would be a "high F". - jp3550, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3Is anyone actually surpised he 'mislead' the public? This is a given.
- flaknugget, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4Yup that Georgie says a lot of funny things.
- mco5t9, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Yes, I'm sure they just loved Saddam and his two sons. But why do polls show a majority, even today, despite all the violence, prefer the new Iraq to the one under the old regime.
- Gryffydd, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Do you realize what Saddam and his progeny would have done to the people if they "asked to be liberated?"
- ronjohn, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Don't worry let's just rely on his gut feeling.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2You are the dumbest moron on digg.
I used to think you were just retarded, but lately I've begun wondering if you get paid to be this stupid.
It's hard to believe any idiot would waste as much time defending corruption, lies, scandals, and failure as much as you do. - revjustin2, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3@boomtown
"The Iraqis, I am sure never "asked" to be beaten, raped, tortured and left for dead. This is what cruel dictators do."
You see, I thought that you were making some kind of comment about what the US is doing to Iraqis right now, but as I read through the rest of your comment, I realized that you were actually talking about Saddam. It is hard for me to swallow that there is someone out there who can look at what is going on in Iraq and think it's a good thing.
Don't you believe that the US is doing the same thing that it accused said evil dictator of doing? Or is our beating, raping, torturing, and leaving for dead okay because we have "democracy" on our side?
Also you use the word "freedom" in relation to what Iraqis now have. Are you kidding me? In what way is life in Iraq "free"? Ask the families of dead Iraq children killed in US bombings if "freedom" and "democracy" was worth the life of their child.
People forget that war, any war, is all about killing people. The US is killing people. Lots of people. In the end, will all those people be worth it? Maybe to Hailburton, but not to me. - Deputy_Doodah, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2How open-minded and tolerant of you.
- xGORDOx, on 10/11/2007, -2/+48 out of 18 at the half-way point.
Remember, the report wasn't actually due until the end of September.
Partisanship aside, do you want your grade counted towards your GPA at only half-way through the semester?
Also, this is from thinkprogress, the WH could have had proof that all 18 were met, and Thinkprogress would have found some way to find fault and disprove. - revjustin2, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2"the Iraqis absolutely wanted to be liberated" - proof, please.
"The ones who didn't were Saddam's loyalists and their sunni arab, anti-saudi, anti-israeli, anti-american al qaeda allies" - al qaeda allies in Iraq pre-US invasion?
"back to the days when we acted like a bunch of timid pussies" - look -we got attacked once. That sucked. However, we have now invaded two countries over that one attack. Are you claiming that we should have been invading countries to prevent 9/11? Not sure if history would have played that one out.
"you're too caught up in your own guilt " - my own guilt about what? And were all those innocent people we've been killing arab fanatics? Do we have arab fanatic detectors now?
"pressure from their Bush-hating, lunatic, cowardly constituents" - I believe what congress is doing is called the 'will of the people'. you remember that democracy that we're giving to Iraq, right? If Congress acts in defiance of the people, we are no better off than a Saddam ruled Iraq. But as long as we're not "pussies", right? - ibnabouna, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Everyone is jumping on Bush, because the media has portrayed him so poorly. I heard his entire press conference yesterday and must admit that, when listening to it as a whole, it struck me as sincere and hopeful. I am no Bush flunkey... there was just something about his press conference. Sure, everyone can't get enough Bush-bashing now, so they are digging in their heels. I agree we should let the military speak for itself. The House of Representatives was not given the constitutional authority to issue commands to military officers.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Think Progress, so it's not just made up crap like you see on most right wing sites.
I guess it's the fact checking that bothers you. Most rightards can't stand it.
If you think ThinkProgress is inaccurate, feel free to link to data that refutes it.
Since you do not, you are just another ignorant rightard who can't be bothered to get a clue.
What's that like to see all the things you support failing? Feels good?
How's that feel to know that Americans do not support what you support, namely the neocon agenda?
What's it like being a GOP tool? Can you hear with your head up Cheney's ass? - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Move this drivel to the BDS section so all the left-wing whacko DiggBotts can find it!
- Bdog2g2, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2"more independent"
Kinda like you're less guilty of robbing a bank if you drove the car to get away? WRONG!!! If you have staunch supporters on a commission like this, Bush would have been more credible writing them himself (in crayon of course) than have a lackey do it for him. - pishi, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1I made a picture from the one on that page...
http://img461.imageshack.us/img461/9397/freedomhp1.jpg - crweaks23, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Offtopic: How do you put line breaks into the new commenting system? I've done it before, and have no idea how.
- mconnors, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2You seem to miss the point entirely. The Iraqi people never wanted to be invaded, there were a few thousand extremist around 9/11 and now there are 60,000 insurgents to deal with. The US has lost all credibility in the world. You keep saying the "enemy" but I don't think you have any idea who the enemy is. There is just people without water / electricity living in a war zone compliments of the US invasion so actual terrorist are finding more people to fight their cause. The point is this is going in the wrong direction
- FlaG8r, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1The report's publicized conclusions are debunked by the rest of the report itself. It really has nothing to do with how fair or balanced or knowledgeable the media are.
- fixedcoma, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Why do we always create these dead-end wars? Is this like an ego issue, a malice of power. Honestly i think something should be added to the constitution" no one person in the presidential office should have ties with national or international businesses( They shouldn't own stocks in this or that, let alone even owning a company) that would be corruption at its worst! Tell me i'm wrong !!!
- mconnors, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1"We're giving them a life free from tyranny. It is up to them to establish a democratic society"
Wether they wanted it or not- There are 655,00 dead Iraqi and their families that are not cheering
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/10/AR2006101001442.html
there are 1.7 million Iraqis now refugees who are not cheering
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/16/AR2007011601478.html
71% of Iraqis want us out
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/sep06/Iraq_Sep06_rpt.pdf
We are now frighting 60,000 insurgents rather than the few thousand when the invasion started so we are doing the wrong thing to stop terrorism. Going into afghanistan was correct, Iraq was completely wrong. You are absolutely and utterly wrong. - jambox, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Well another crud article from thinkprogress.com - OTOH at least it balances out the equally ***** Fox News.
Look - perhaps it didn't strike you lot (Americans) at the time, but as soon as they decided to invade Iraq, most other people around the world thought,
"Ooooh - I bet that'll end up just like Vietnam!"
On to the war itself, then. So you'll end up running away with your tails between your legs, leaving a country in ruins and probably in the grip of the worst people imaginable to run it. You'll be very lucky if you haven't completely destabilised the entire region, causing war after war. Taking the lid off (previously fairly quiet) Sunni vs. Shiite sectarianism was a very, very, very bad idea.
After puzzling over how your fancy politicians could get it so badly wrong, I've come to the conclusion that it was all just a ploy to funnel taxpayers money towards a few favourite industries and therefore a handful of majority shareholders and their acolytes.
So well done! Destroyed a country (wasn't much of a country beforehand, admittedly) for the benefit of a few fat, white, rich people who pretend to be Christians but are really comepletely amoral. Congratulations, once again. Big round of applause. Clap. Clap. Clap. - Gerz1219, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Awww, that's cute. You actually think the Baker Commission was a completely independent entity that accurately represented the spectrum of American public opinion about the war.
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