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- pegothejerk, on 05/12/2009, -0/+42My dog is smarter because it doesn't refuse to do what I request of it, and she knows when I'm annoyed, too, and leaves me alone. My neices and nephews did not do those things at 2.
- LonelyTylenoL, on 05/12/2009, -0/+16It's actually pretty funny that babies like peek-a-boo so much because when you hide your face behind your hands, they actually think you disappeared completely. But when you show them your face again, they get extremely excited that you reappeared again.
It's amazing that they can't comprehend a person hiding. - kalvinb, on 05/12/2009, -0/+13They could have removed the plexiglas and the baby would have done the same thing (and fallen on the floor). Babies have no fear. Babies develop fear as they get older. This is why I say that for the first several years, birthdays for kids are to celebrate the ability of the parents to not let their kid kill themselves.
- shark72, on 05/12/2009, -0/+13FTA: "The researchers found that dogs paid attention to a protruding body part, as did the 2-year-olds."
- askantik, on 05/12/2009, -0/+11Why do we inherently assume that just because animals can't talk or don't think in the same way that humans do, they are dumb? I'm not implying that other animals will some day be discovered to do calculus or anything, but anthropocentrism is totally unscientific-- it's like some sort of subconscious idea that people have that humans are at the "top" of evolution, except for the fact that evolution isn't linear...
- inactive, on 05/12/2009, -1/+9There was a psychological study where they placed a baby on a surface, half of which was clear Plexiglas over a drop. At some early time after birth, the baby freely crawled over the Plexiglas, disregarding the illusion of the drop, however, some months later, the same baby wouldn't go over the Plexiglas at first, and then, not without caution.
- brooklotzkar, on 05/12/2009, -0/+8Also, dogs are excel in calculus when it comes to optimization. If you throw a bone into the ocean, the dog won't immediately head into the water, but instead, run across the beach first and then run straight towards the bone. In other words, dogs are the *****!
- Bigmodirty, on 05/12/2009, -0/+7Babies or dogs?
- HeyeZenburg, on 05/12/2009, -2/+9Why are dogs and kids always trying to find my hidden treats!? They're hidden for a good reason ;D
- dvsbastard, on 05/12/2009, -0/+6It means you're her bitch....
- InfinitySnatch, on 05/12/2009, -0/+6Yes, but which will win in a fight?
It's the dog. And I'm never allowed to babysit, ever. - askantik, on 05/12/2009, -0/+6You tell me: http://www.pacificpark.co.th/pipermail/ndc2551/att ...
- TrouserJazz, on 05/12/2009, -0/+4Well they're still not as smart as pigs so I don't see how that works.
- MargotCross, on 05/12/2009, -0/+4dogs are really the best.. who needs people?
- Locke23, on 05/12/2009, -1/+4I see how you could think that, but basic psychology shows LonelyTylenol and Jeepinator are right, these are abilities develop in a second or third phase of human development, 3-5 years of age being a completely different one that 0-2
- punkbl182, on 05/12/2009, -1/+4Wrong. It is because children don't develop object permanence until about 8 months of age. Younger babies believe that what they can't see can't exist, so when you disappear, they think you don't exist anymore.
- Bigmodirty, on 05/12/2009, -0/+3stupid babies
- skinsgamer, on 05/12/2009, -0/+3If you've ever been to the CN Tower in Toronto the floor is 2" thick glass. I felt like a complete wuss hugging the wall while infants and young kids were crawling and jumping on the glass.
- pikelet, on 05/12/2009, -0/+3Maybe you just have a super child. Like everyone wants to believe. Plus, if your kid is two, she's waaaaaay past that stage anyway - it occurs at 8-12 months. Piaget has me pretty convinced that no, small children do not have object permanence. That said, there are always outliers (love the story of one of the ex professors here, his was the only kid that failed at the cliff illusion test).
- hairysandwich, on 05/12/2009, -0/+3Also I think it's somewhat inconvenient for us to believe it, because if we allow ourselves to believe that they think and feel then we might feel guilty about eating them (cows, pigs etc.)
- kalvinb, on 05/12/2009, -0/+3They should do the study and compare the results to babies raised by parents who don't play peek-a-boo and those who do. The game teaches kids that what they can't see doesn't exist. And then psychologists wonder why kids believe it.
In my daughter's case, who just turned two, it only took a few times of not letting her think I couldn't see her before peek-a-boo no longer worked. When it was time for bed she'd cover her face thinking we couldn't see her. She quickly realized that didn't work and started to find ways to actually hide.
The reason babies like it is because you make funny sounds and make an excited face yourself. Babies smile when parents smile at them. Try playing peek-a-boo while keeping a straight face. Baby won't like the game. - Jeepinator, on 05/12/2009, -1/+3They don't have the ability to put themselves in another person's shoes so to speak. You develop that ability after several years.
- bman1984, on 05/12/2009, -0/+2This study only examines a canines ability to read directional cues from extended body parts, such as pointing at treat. In other words, it's crap.
A canine uses many other indicators to read people, namely facial expressions and other body language. A canines ability to read emotions in people based on their body language has to far exceed that of a 2 year old. I would say it arguably exceeds that of most people. - LonelyTylenoL, on 05/12/2009, -2/+4No
- matude, on 05/12/2009, -0/+2Well there's plenty of people who don't believe in evolution at all, so it would be pretty optimistic to expect them to understand anything about it.
Animals talk btw, or communicate at least. They have their own languages, dialects etc. - whoreable, on 05/12/2009, -0/+2When potty training your 2 year old, you should just rub their nose in it.
- inactive, on 05/12/2009, -2/+4So does that mean we have to stop eating them?
- inactive, on 05/12/2009, -0/+2Me and the other kids at college. Haven't you ever eaten at a Chinese buffet before?
- askantik, on 05/12/2009, -0/+2Agreed with both of you.
Another thing is that why do we love dogs, cats, or horses more than (as you said) cows, pigs, chickens, etc? By love, I mean Americans hate the idea of eating horse, despite its somewhat widespread practice in Europe. Some people joke about people of the Orient eating cats or dogs-- why would that be any worse than eating cows? I'm not defending the eating of any of them (since I don't eat any of them), but I just don't understand 1) why we are inherently better than non-human animals and 2) why some non-human animals are better than others. - evilregis, on 05/12/2009, -0/+2Yeah but neither will your wife...
- Locke23, on 05/12/2009, -1/+2*grammar?
- TrouserJazz, on 05/12/2009, -0/+1You cannot digg a comment twice.
- slappy321, on 05/12/2009, -0/+1My 2 year old never humped my leg.
- vickers500, on 05/12/2009, -0/+1Hey...I saw that video in Psychology class!
- kalvinb, on 05/12/2009, -3/+4My baby who just turned 2 was initially confused when I played peek-a-boo (she knew nobody disappeared). But after she covered her eyes and I said "where's the baby" enough times, she bought into the lie. Kids are conditioned by the parents to think that covering your eyes makes you disappear because they trust you. Once I realized that, I stopped pretending I couldn't see her. Now she's learning how to actually hide. Every time I find her she tries harder to cover herself up entirely or get under or behind large objects (tables and chairs) where I actually can't see her. Before I stopped playing peek-a-boo she'd just cover her face to "hide."
I figured out peek-a-boo was messing with my kids' head when I noticed that unlike the videos I saw in my education courses, my daughter wasn't fooled when I put the candy under something or behind my back. She would go right for it. It wasn't until I pretended that things disappeared that she started to believe it and act like they disappeared.
Also, the reason you have dreams of flying is because dads have a pretty consistent habit of throwing babies up in the air and flying them around the room. Your little baby brain remembers the flying sensation but seems to forget that someone was holding you up. That's why you often dream about flying around a house and generally staying 5-6ft above the ground. The dreams aren't just your desire to fly but incompletely remembering the times you did "fly." - Hraes, on 05/12/2009, -1/+2china
- TrouserJazz, on 05/12/2009, -0/+1Buried for being the ungrammatical
- ScoobyDew91, on 05/12/2009, -1/+2my dog is smarter than a two year old... it sh1ts outside.. gets me soda.. fetches the ball when i throw it. A two year old cant do these things.. and if one can tell me where i can purchase it
- FurtThePirate, on 05/12/2009, -1/+2Will a dog move a chair to climb the counter though?
- RobotCitizen, on 05/12/2009, -0/+1I've long believed that 2-year-olds are non-sentient creatures. Now there's proof.
- Devramos, on 05/12/2009, -0/+1Is he playing fetch with my kids?
- teemingvoid, on 05/12/2009, -1/+2its not saying they have equal abilities in all ways, just in ways to locate a hidden treat.. the title is a little misleading
- bobbi21, on 05/12/2009, -0/+1I find the kids in those psych videos are often pretty stupid compared to my cousins and nephews...
- Bigmodirty, on 05/12/2009, -0/+1that and the food bowl on the floor, I have the same problem where Mr.snuggles thinks that he can just eat out of my sons bowl. It's bad enough I have to clean up all that ***** in the backyard from both of them. Of course Mr.snuggles is used to the electric fence where my kid keeps crawling out of our yard, I guess its time to set that collar to a higher shock voltage.
- Hillsfar, on 05/12/2009, -0/+1Here Toby! Here Toby! That's a good boy!
- DJRobX, on 05/12/2009, -0/+11) I'm not sure what you mean by "better". We're higher on the food chain. My lizard eats live crickets. Does that mean my lizard is "better" than crickets?
2) Again, define "better". I prefer dogs because they have traits that make them enjoyable to me as a companion. Per the article, dogs pay attention to humans, wolves don't. So that probably makes a dog a "better" pet than a wolf. But people also keep pigs, chickens, fish, lizards, and rabbits as pets. Cows probably just aren't practical but I'm sure you can find someone with a pet cow. - Blyxa, on 05/12/2009, -0/+11) Since intelligence is very hard to measure in humans, you can imagine how hard it would be to try to adapt any metrics to animal intelligence.
2) We don't have a sufficiently encompassing definition of intelligence to be able to include animals in it. 'Intelligence' is such a weighted word in our society, with preconceived notions of competion and self-worth, that we'd have to come up with a different word altogether describing animals.
3) Animals can't manipulate their environment to the degree that we've been able to. This plays an equally important role in our view of intelligence as knowledge and understanding does. But how would you test knowledge and understanding or even awareness in another species that you couldn't communicate with? - Atario, on 05/17/2009, -0/+1That's not "smarter". That's "more obedient". These are not at all the same things.
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