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- LtGenPanda, on 07/07/2009, -3/+25Meant to say "Afghan's Only Pig Escapes Quarantine"
- novakaine, on 07/07/2009, -1/+20The world is better with bacon.
Hell, everything is better with bacon. - varun1s, on 07/07/2009, -3/+19Should've said "Afghanistan's Only Pig Is Released From Quarantine"
Title is misleading. - elijahyossie, on 07/07/2009, -2/+12There is apparently only one Jew in Afghanistan, too, in Kabul. Two synagogues, though!
- grapesofbaath, on 07/08/2009, -1/+10"I think it's an interesting animal in terms of the way it looks. You can't really use it for anything ... it is haram and you shouldn't eat it," said 22-year old biology student Fatemeh.
They must have really crappy universities in Afghanistan if that is all a senior biology major has to say about pigs. - GregFD3S, on 07/08/2009, -0/+8It's just a little airborn! It's still good! It's still good!
- spook69, on 07/08/2009, -0/+8You don't think it has *anything* to do with Islam? The comment you were replying to was pretty damn xenophobic, but you're refusing to face reality if you think that the relative dearth of critical thinking found in the Middle East is completely unrelated to the dominance of religion in the region. It's true that many of the original lessons of Islam may have been distorted through the years, and it's also important to note that the religion is a product of the region itself, but it's arguably *the* defining reason why science, technology, and culture has lagged behind in some areas where it's so prevalent (or has become the reason why things stay that way).
- AbyssNOLF, on 07/07/2009, -0/+8Should've said "Afghanistan's only pig risks baconation for freedom"
- subxone, on 07/08/2009, -1/+9Muslims should stop discriminating against pigs!
- DeadSkinMask, on 07/07/2009, -0/+7Why did he have to escape Afghanistan?? Was his passport expired?
- freshyill, on 07/08/2009, -0/+6Room to stretch out!
- Claverhouse, on 07/08/2009, -2/+8I don't know if it's due to the uninquisitive effects of Islam, which rather discourages speculative thought, or whether many middle easterners have a greater proportion of simplicity, but the views expressed seem 'differently abled'.
*One visitor, 17-year-old-Razaa, covered his nose and mouth with his t-shirt as the animal trotted past.
"It's a pig, it's the dirtiest thing, it might give me a disease," he said.*
*"It is very haram (forbidden) and should not even been looked at. I don't think it should even be in the zoo," said another visitor named Nassim.*
*You can't really use it for anything ... it is haram and you shouldn't eat it," said 22-year old biology student Fatemeh.*
*Mujahideen fighters ate the deer and rabbits and shot dead the zoo's sole elephant during the 1992-94 civil war. Incoming shells shattered the aquarium.* [ Rather par for the course for zoos during war --- the bombing of Berlin Zoo during WWII is one of the grisliest readings in history --- but still... shot the tame elephant ? ]
Further evidence is that they have only one pig, a 17-yr-old pig, in the country. Without a companion. With no prospect of fatherhood. Who has no chance of reproducing. You see where I am going with this ? - lemur, on 07/08/2009, -0/+5The only correction I can issue is that Islam actually does encourage inquisition and speculative thought, and any accusation to the contrary is blatantly false. The Qur'an specifically enjoins people to think, reflect, and use their intellect. The Qur'an accuses people who blindly follow tradition without evaluating it. You can hardly open the Qur'an without it literally encouraging speculative thought; many passages of the Qur'an will say "consider this", "look at this", "in it are signs for those who reflect." The Qur'an in most cases asks people to draw their own conclusions from observation.
The Holy Prophet said you must study and gain knowledge from the cradle to the grave, and if you had only one day to live you should use it to study. The Prophet also said that if there was knowledge in China (ie the ends of the Earth) you should go there and get it even if you had to crawl on your hands and knees.
Anyway, I don't need to go on. Science and education are always highly valued among Muslims. Now, if you're going to compared "Muslims" to some backwater country like Afghanistan where practically nobody gets education worth a damn, then you'll definitely see all kinds of superstitious and uninformed beliefs about pigs. Islam didn't teach them ignorance, but rather it was bred from their own shortcomings. - freshyill, on 07/08/2009, -1/+6It's Afghanistan, not Afghan.
- Halsfield, on 07/08/2009, -3/+8It is amazing how stupid people are worldwide. Well , I shouldn't say amazing I guess, more like...tragic.
- lemur, on 07/08/2009, -1/+6Do me a favour Digg - If a non-Muslim ever tells you that Muslims don't even know about their own religion or scripture - I ask you to call them out on this total myth.
Muslims actually do read the Qur'an and know exactly why pork is forbidden in Islam as it is a ridiculously simple aspect of the religion that everyone knows about. Also it just so happens that swine are considered "najis" (ritually unclean) by Islamic scholars, and unclean objects are unfit for human consumption. This has a lot of implications besides dietary, and you are wrong to attempt to claim that pigs are tahir (ritually pure).
Many non-Muslims don't even know this or have just not bothered to find out for themselves. - Genecalypse, on 07/08/2009, -0/+5Its like a plot to a Disney movie.
- graemee, on 07/08/2009, -0/+5there’d all be foods laid out for us like little pre-wrapped sausages and things. They have pre-wrapped sausages but they don’t have pre-wrapped bacon.”
“Well can you blame them?”
“Yeah.” - moduc, on 07/08/2009, -1/+6I agree that it's tragic at people's ignorant. However, I would refrain from call them stupid. One reason is that in the US, people treat dogs in a way that other countries don't. For example, in the US, it's a crime to eat a dog. Sure, it's crazy when you think it's a pet. I came from a country that people eat dogs. My region, most people don't eat dogs, and the rest just eat it once or twice to feel it. I would feel pretty disgust at the thinking of eating my pet dog, or someone's pet. That's about the same for most people I know. However, I don't think of those who eat dogs are stupid, but rather strange. They raise dogs like pigs, and slaughter/sell them like live stocks. So, in that regard, the animal is in a sense just food. I actually heard that pigs are pretty smart.
In the Afghan case, it's obvious people are absolutely ignorant. Pigs are not any dirtier that most animals. It also shows how some religions hold people back in their thinking. - inactive, on 07/08/2009, -0/+5It didn't escape, it was un-quarantined and returned to the normal zoo area.
- lemur, on 07/08/2009, -1/+5Disliking something and being afraid of it are two different things. The USA is kind of dog-obsessed so if you don't worship the dog then it's seen as a major affront to decency, but honestly a lot of people don't like dogs, Muslim or otherwise. One time I was sitting on a public bus and some man came on carrying a dog and smelling awful because of it; I moved to another seat because he sat next to me. Do you really think that's crazy?
Anyway, Muslims are allowed to play with dogs and pigs to their hearts content. Islam doesn't condemn any animal (all are God's creations and are therefore worthy), but Islam contains rituals. For example, if someone plays with his pet dog or pig and then goes to pray, he should make sure he has washed up and rid his clothing of things such as fur. The customs are simple, but it's reasons like this that many Muslims often prefer to avoid casual contact with such animals because it just makes life easier for them. Try to be more understanding and less condescending. - inactive, on 07/08/2009, -0/+4Coming soon on theater: "The last Babe of afghanishtan!"
- MonkeyNews, on 07/08/2009, -2/+6Do me a favour Digg - If a Muslim ever tells you they don't eat pig because it is a "dirty animal" - I ask you to call them out on this total myth.
There is ZERO mention in the Qur'an of a pig being a "dirty animal" - this (along with a million other reasons) are made up by many Muslims today - All it says is just not to eat swine - but no reason is ever mentioned:
" Forbidden to you for (food) are: dead meat, blood and the flesh of the swine and thatwhich hath been invoked the name other than Allah." Holy Qur'an 5:4
Many Muslims don't even know this or have just not bothered to find out for themselves. - lemur, on 07/08/2009, -0/+3You're free! Go, go!
- Tanktunker, on 07/08/2009, -0/+3You'll never get to the bottom of that comment.
- MonkeyNews, on 07/08/2009, -1/+4She is obviously talking from a Muslim point of view. Muslims have very little use for a pig - alive or dead.
The only use I can think of is to attract curious visitors to the Afghan Zoo or maybe use it in farming somehow - that's about it. - lemur, on 07/08/2009, -0/+3Why wouldn't she say that about pigs? As MonkeyNews says, Muslims don't really have practical use for pigs. That doesn't mean you can't study them from a scientific perspective and find that information valuable. For example pigs can be used for medicine such as transplants, but the average person doesn't perform such surgeries and therefore doesn't need a pig.
- bookelly, on 07/08/2009, -1/+4^ I didn't even look at your links. And I still know your an asshat. ^
- nudedos, on 07/08/2009, -0/+2Have you seen Piglet?
- MAGZine, on 07/08/2009, -1/+3Mmmm. Bacon wrapped bacon, smothered in bacon, topped with bacon bits. Bacon grease to drink, and some maple-flavored bacon for dessert.
- shig, on 07/08/2009, -1/+3The waters are too muddied to tell either way. Maybe it is Islam, but I don't think so. Maybe it was the crusades, and the continued foreign manipulation in the region, but perhaps it's not.
Blaming Islam is too easy and correlative, not to mention xenophobic and disrespectful, for my taste.
Might as well blame the desert sand or the heat. - Fastfuud, on 07/08/2009, -0/+2"Our people did not understand that the disease only passes from person to person and felt that the swine influenza might even be spread from the zoo because we have a pig here," zoo manager Aziz Gul Saqib said.
With a name like swine flu, how could you not make that mistake. Bird Flu comes from from birds right? - danwallace, on 07/08/2009, -0/+2Uh, guys? That's not how it works.
- Halsfield, on 07/08/2009, -1/+3I didnt call them stupid because they dont eat pigs, thats a choice and they're welcome to make it. I called them tragically stupid because they have no concept of how diseases work apparently and that could be devastating if a real epidemic goes through. Just like a lot of African people that believe AIDS can be cured by raping children(I kid you not, look it up, its because they believe children are pure and having sex with them will cure you of the disease you got from having sex with an impure woman).
Ignorance is making what should be fairly small outbreaks into potentially horrific epidemics if people cant be educated. - JanTik, on 07/08/2009, -0/+1I'm A Hog For You Baby
- JanTik, on 07/08/2009, -1/+2IMPORTANT NOTE: Because of religious and cultural sensitivities, we cannot accept articles with religious themes, or that portray images of pigs (i.e., Porky Pig, Miss Piggy, Piglet, etc.).
AFGHAN FOUNDATION
http://www.lamia-afghanfoundation.org/focused_givi ... - inactive, on 10/29/2009, -0/+1
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http://pastexpiry.blogspot.com/2009/10/cartoon-swi ... - cygnus2112, on 07/08/2009, -3/+4I don't think many of you have witnessed or have been around devout Muslims to see the fear they have when around pigs or dogs. They won't let their children near them, they will take different roads if they see a person walking their dog, etc.
It's truly sad in a way.
Oh well, more bacon for the rest of us! - MonkeyNews, on 07/08/2009, -1/+2It's haram to keep a dog unless it's for hunting, guarding livestock or guarding crops. You said yourself it's najis:
"Whoever keeps a dog, a qiraat from his good deeds will be deducted every day, except a dog for farming or herding livestock."
-Al-Bukhaari
"The angels do not enter a house in which there is a dog or an image."
-Ibn Maajah - cjw10, on 07/08/2009, -0/+1They make Bacon flavored Vodka now.
- lemur, on 07/08/2009, -0/+1OK, maybe you are Muslim, but you sound as if you are not one, and if that is the case then something is wrong here. There must be some better way you can word your comment without bringing up these implications that I (incorrectly) assumed you were trying to say.
I may be mistaken that you are Muslim, but I still disagree with your basic point that Muslims don't know why it's haram to eat pork. Yes some people are ignorant and don't really know about it, but these folks don't represent the majority!
What's going to happen is you're going to get non-Muslims repeating what you said, and then my comment will become true. - lemur, on 07/08/2009, -1/+2Oh please, don't act like you can just sit there and quote Bukhari and the rest like it's some kind of religious scripture that must be obeyed. You're not an Islamic scholar so you can't evaluate the hadiths to understand what their context is, whether they are strong or weak, what we can learn from them. Some hadiths are totally false or barely true; sometimes you have to use fuzzy logic. Westerners always go around trumpeting hadith as if they are some kind of golden truth or Islamic scripture. They defame Islam not by spreading hadith, but encouraging gross assumptions about Islam and logic that not even Muslims agree with.
For example, Malikis, who are one of the 4 major Sunni madhabs, don't consider dogs to be najis. In Islam there exists a plurality of thought, so be careful what you are doing by going around and pronouncing fatwas like "it's haram to keep a dog unless..." as if you are some kind of religious authority.
A lot of hadiths demonize dogs. Some are based on pre-Islamic pagan superstitions and therefore should be taken with some suspicion. Did you know that when dogs are mentioned in the Qur'an, it is positively? - MonkeyNews, on 07/08/2009, -0/+1Do me a favour - Don't be presumptuous.
I am a Muslim and I've lost count of the number of people who think pigs are haram simply because they roll around in their own crap. 'Najis' and 'dirty' and different things.
You are also wrong to assume I claimed that pigs are tahir - elperegrino, on 07/08/2009, -1/+1yup. i'm thinking so some guy's pig escaped.
and yet i still clicked...
EDIT - ok, i see why you're being dugg down. my misleading bit was better than yours - Neville007, on 07/08/2009, -0/+0Run, Forrest, run!
- spook69, on 07/08/2009, -1/+1My point is that it's pretty much just as silly to ascribe the blame solely to the crusades, foreign manipulation, or the religion of Islam as it is to leave out any of those factors for the sake of a simplified explanation (or, and I can't believe I'm actually saying this, political correctness). The phenomenon being described would obviously be linked to numerous factors, and it'd be impossible not to include the fundamental structure of Islam as one of those.
Interestingly enough, though you said that you "might as well blame the desert sand or the heat," the climate and geography of the Middle East are essentially the overarching linking factor in tracing all of these influences as part of the development of Islam, including the crusades; if you want to understand ancient or modern Islam, it's essential to understand the scenery that shaped the people who shaped the religion. - SpruceCaboose, on 07/08/2009, -0/+0Yeah I read this the other day, and saw this headline and assumed that the pig had gotten lose and/or been made to go "missing" by the Muslims who do not like piggies.
- jaythewise, on 07/08/2009, -1/+0Whats the difference between the religious wackyness we see in the middle east and the dark ages of Europe centuries ago?
Both locations and times were fueled by religious intolerence. With Europe it was a pope and with the middle east today is a bunch of mini popes trying to run everyone and everything.
Europe and the middle east have much more in common then they think... -
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