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- GRTWHT, on 12/08/2007, -2/+104The problem isn't tasers, the problem is their indiscrimate use by police.
Tasers were never designed for 'you didn't do what I wanted fast enough so I'm going to electrocute you'. They were designed to be used in situations where previously the only option left to an officer was to shoot to kill. - doublehead, on 12/08/2007, -6/+64What I'm afraid of is the bozos who came up with the idea and think that tasing people who stand up for their Constitutional rights is justice.
- gilg, on 12/08/2007, -3/+31Some nerve this fellow had titting in his home without his hearing aid like that... anyway, they use real guns here in Israel so I guess it could have been worse if he was around here...
- Yage2006, on 12/08/2007, -2/+28I am not afraid of tasers, But I am afraid of frick'n idiots who carry weapons and a badge with the IQ of 8 year olds.
- colobikeguy, on 12/08/2007, -1/+22I am hearing impaired and I can say that the reactions I have gotten when I am without my hearing aids have been pretty interesting. Yes, people get pissed when you can't hear them because you are without your hearing aids... even in your own home... and you can't put in your hearing aids until your ears dry out after a shower. :) I can't say I've tased yet, but I generally steer clear of the cops for just this reason.
- inactive, on 12/08/2007, -1/+19This is how you reply.
- dudefather, on 12/08/2007, -0/+14are 99.999% of all the statistics you use happen to be '99.999%'
- jbklego, on 12/08/2007, -6/+20While this is an excellent idea, it wouldn't work because most cops are too fat to learn martial arts, hence causing a problem.
- pegisys, on 12/08/2007, -1/+15That means it's working. All you have to do now is sign over all your rights to me and I will protect you.
- Adamande, on 12/08/2007, -1/+14"If these cops had not had tasers they would have shot and killed the person."
So they would have shot a deaf, naked, unarmed man after barging into his home without permission? How ***** up is that? - blackinthmiddle, on 12/08/2007, -0/+13The bigger issue is why is a man in a towel considered worthy of being tased in the first place. "Sarge, he was reaching for his towel. I KNOW he was going to whip me with it! So it's clear I had to shock the ***** out of him!" I mean, honestly. Don't you at least have to *see* a weapon first before tasing. So someone reports a shooting at the residence. Fine, you're on high alert. A naked man in a towel turns the corner. He starts pointing to his ears, "I'm scared. I CAN'T HEAR...I CAN'T HEAR!!!" Yep, sounds like an excellent use of a taser.
- brentinkc, on 12/08/2007, -3/+16Whatever happened to billy clubs? Do cops just get off more on electrocuting people? Is it really that basic?
- inactive, on 12/08/2007, -6/+19Tasers don't leave a mark, so there's no incriminating evidence to support "excessive force" claims. Juries are much more sympathetic to a plaintiff that got his skull caved in with a club, than someone with two small third-degree burns where the taser probes hit.
- Spelvin, on 12/08/2007, -7/+19GRTWHT is right. Tasers replace firearms. If the office is not trained properly then that is a department issue. If these cops had not had tasers they would have shot and killed the person.
- gophernut, on 12/08/2007, -2/+14I am NOT afraid of tasers
There...I told you - blackinthmiddle, on 12/08/2007, -0/+11Okay, this is long.
PurePicaroon, how old are you? Do you really think that if you just live your life pure you won't have run ins with cops? If you've lived any length of time, you'd realize how foolish your statement is.
Maybe 12 years ago, I'm driving home from college with my friend. Four dressed cops in what looked like a '77 Chevy Impala cut us off, opened their doors and jumped out. Two of them took their guns out of their holsters, raised them and aimed them at our car! Clearly we didn't do anything wrong, but how the hell did we know just how far these nuts were going to go? The other two cops came to either side of the car. The one on my side (I was driving) was yanking on the handle and screaming, "OPEN THE DOOR, OPEN THE DOOR!" I was too flustered to even remember how to open a door at that moment but finally remembered, that's how scared I was! They start searching us. "You got any guns or drugs on you?" That's when I got absolutely pissed. You see two black kids driving in a new car and that's the first question you ask me? So with that, I just got stone faced and didn't say a word. My friend just repeated a mantra over and over, "Sorry officer, Sorry officer, Sorry officer."
They found something on the floor, alright. "Mechanics of Materials", "Powerplant Systems Design", "Feedback Control Systems" and I believe "Numerical Methods". So now they realize that, whatever the hell they were doing, they shouldn't have been doing it to us. What do they say? Sorry? Have a nice day? "Okay, we're going to let you go *this time*, but be careful the way you're driving; you could get shot!" (!!!???) Excuse me? Was I speeding? Last time I checked you get a speeding ticket. Was I driving recklessly? Again, the last time I checked, you get a ticket for that.
I've had nothing but bad experiences with cops. If I can, I try not even to ask them for directions. Believe me, I even had a bad experience with one when I was five. After it's happened about 20 times, you start to notice a pattern. You don't have to be looking for trouble to get a cop who decides he wants to screw with you. - Jls900, on 12/08/2007, -5/+16As a police officer on patrol, I can tell you that this is blown out of proportion. I have never tazed anyone in my career and never felt the urge, but i can clearly see what went on here. Some dummy or prankster phoned in about a shooting, so the cops take it seriously, not knowing who will live or who will die they all line up and break in tazers in arms. As they walk, scared, into the apartment they see a near naked man and yell at him, he doesnt respond.
So we have :
reports of gunfire
locked door (they broke it down, which means it was locked)
and then a naked man who is not responding.
so, these officers, thinking that this man is a psycho, instead of risking a chance and hand cuffing him, they taze him to be safe. I will not stand by these men's choices of action, and please, please do not misunderstand me and think im defending them.. But dont act like some evil men charged into a room and tazed a disabled defenseless man, because as thought it appears that way, its not exactly what went down. - inactive, on 12/09/2007, -0/+10"Quick! Tase him while he's wet, naked, and not paying attention!"
Man that cop really dodged a heated conflict there... /sarcasm/ - FeloniusMonkey, on 12/08/2007, -0/+9If martial arts training is known to build confidence, discipline, and self-control for the average person, I can only see it as a good thing for fat cops.
- MasterPlayer, on 12/08/2007, -1/+10Tasers don't tase people, people tase people.
- atomic811, on 12/08/2007, -4/+12something big is coming and I am extremely scared of what is going to happen but we all feel it in our gut. I do not feel safe anymore.
- qpn6ph9q, on 12/08/2007, -0/+8I think you are missing the point entirely. It's not a question of choosing between being tased or beaten or any other form of abuse. The point is the police are using an excessive amount of force on a defenseless deaf man in his own home. The solution is for them to not tase or beat or abuse people who are obviously defenseless (ie totally naked) and screaming at them I am deaf I am deaf with his hands raised in the air. Do you get it now?
- Godlike, on 12/08/2007, -0/+8TASERS are not HANDCUFFS and they shouldn't be used like them!
- SquigglyP, on 12/08/2007, -0/+8no, actually, you're wrong. You are to be tased if you pose a danger to yourself or someone else - including the officers. This is the way cops are supposed to be trained in the use of tasers. So far as the cops are concerned, they are one step below a firearm. Tasing someone AFTER they are restrained - as has been the case in several videos I've seen - is absolutely unnecessary. If several cops are unable to remove a handcuffed guy from a bookstore, auditorium or get that guy to stand up or lie down WITHOUT a taser, then those cops are obviously either incredibly weak or are just looking for an excuse to use a taser.
- DooM, on 12/08/2007, -0/+8You don't shoot someone for not showing you their hands - you only shoot someone for showing you their hands with a weapon in it.
- DooM, on 12/08/2007, -0/+8No, that's the OTHER problem in this situation. That person A did something wrong doesn't excuse what the police did.
- ChaosMotor, on 12/09/2007, -1/+8We had to attack him to ensure his security. He's lucky we didn't have to kill him to save his life.
- spinningobo, on 12/08/2007, -0/+7Yes, tazers are made for exactly the situations you described above.
They are NOT, made for:
- Electrocuting students for not showing ID at the school library
- Tazing foreign people in airports because they don't speak your language
- Removing someone from a room during a speech
- Disabling disabled people in their own homes (pun intended)
- etc.
Basically, they should be used in situations where a gun would normally be used. They should not be used if the person does not pose an immediate threat to the officers. - ChaosMotor, on 12/09/2007, -0/+7Hmm, I have a feeling your lack of security isn't caused by fear of terrorists, but fear of your own damned government. Isn't the government supposed to be afraid of the people, and not the other way around? Oh! Sorry, that's only in a functional democracy. In a fascist tyranny, the people are afraid of the government. Carry on, then.
- goingtoalpha, on 12/08/2007, -2/+9I think we need a TAZER section on Digg.
- GordonV, on 12/08/2007, -0/+7I'm more scared of police, not the tazer.
- Brad324, on 12/08/2007, -1/+8dugg for hilarious description
- inactive, on 12/08/2007, -2/+9If he was "titting" then I'm pretty sure he deserved to be tased.
- demonsnake69, on 12/08/2007, -1/+7So now the justification for this deaf man getting tased is that he's lucky the cops didn't kill him? I hope anyyone with that sentiment is "accidentally" tased or shot by the police.
- SquigglyP, on 12/08/2007, -7/+13jesus, being tased is a HELL of a lot better than being clubbed. Seriously, the pain from a tasing is momentary and aside from the immediate dangers of possible heart-problems or some other similar complications that can result in tasing, it's only a temporary thing. Being clubbed can break bones and leave you in a great deal of pain for weeks. If you'd choose to be clubbed over being tased, you're ***** crazy.
- DooM, on 12/08/2007, -0/+6Let me translate it into English, I speak fluent spaz:
In the article we are considering, the elderly gentleman was adorned solely in a towel. The police officers stated that they were concerned that he wasn't showing them his hands which can only mean they were behind his back which is certainly a suspicious claim in this situation. The officers could hardly be afraid that he was concealing a weapon as the elderly gentleman was half naked. I personally doubt the veracity of the officers' statements. - unmarked, on 12/08/2007, -0/+6neither did the guy in the towel. But that didn't stop him from being tased. *THAT* was the point. This guy was in his own home, obeying the law and still got into a bad situation.
- unmarked, on 12/08/2007, -0/+6I'm sure this guy had no intention of involving himself with the cops. They came busting down the wrong door.
- unmarked, on 12/08/2007, -2/+8I think the point is that police aren't as likely to shoot a gun to "control a situation" as they are to shoot a taser. Tasers are now the weapons of first resort. I expect "accidental", but regular, tasing to be a common occurrence by the police within the next year or so. Their motto seems to be tase first and ask questions later.
- demonsnake69, on 12/08/2007, -0/+5Be scared, but remember that if you survive that tasing you'll win a hell of a lawsuit.
- inactive, on 12/08/2007, -0/+5All of the above reasons are valid, but it's also a hell of a lot cheaper to give a cop a taser than it is to train him in H2H combat
- darlyn, on 12/08/2007, -1/+6Digg: All tasers, all day.
- coyoteblue, on 12/08/2007, -6/+11Personally, I think police should be better trained in martial arts. We can remove their weapons, but still give them reasonable method to defend themselves. Then, instead of reaching for a taser (or worse) when a suspect won't comply, they can use reasonable, but not deadly, force to disarm the suspect, without inflicting too much harm.
- RofLmaonnaise, on 12/08/2007, -0/+4Why would they think he's a threat if he was just wearing a towel and one could clearly tell he had nothing in his hands. The cop's reasoning was that they couldn't see his hands (which I don't believe, because I would imagine the old guy was trying to point to his ears), so they tased him.
The procedure doesn't fit the situation. - unmarked, on 12/08/2007, -0/+4yeah, they weren't meant as a first resort -- but that is exactly what is happening now. They feel "non-lethal" means feel free to use it all the time.
- nogami, on 12/08/2007, -1/+5Are you referring to physical damage, or psychological? I dunno about you, but being electroshocked by police, especially when they're innocent would likely leave some psychological injury to most people...
Hopefully some more lawsuits help curb police over-use of tasers. If they wouldn't contemplate beating-someone-down with a nightstick, they shouldn't be tasing someone. - Francky, on 12/08/2007, -3/+7Well I for one, am scared. I suffer from epilepsy, if I where to get tasered, chances are VERY good that it would cause a seizure. If that happened, cops are going to think I'm resisting arrest and taser me some more. Which combined with the physical strain the epilepsy has on my system would mean my death. (It's happened in the past, an epileptic man called for an ambulance, got cops that tasered him and killed him)
So yeah, I'm scared oh that ***** invention. - ChaosMotor, on 12/09/2007, -0/+4Good thing everyone who's tased is a normal, healthy citizen who deserves to suffer such an experience.
- spyd3rweb, on 12/08/2007, -0/+4Tasers effectively short circuit the old patriots motto "Give me liberty or give me death," By not providing any means of death, instead you are forced into a humiliating submission. This is terribly empowering to the state because it can't kill a person without drawing attention and outcry, but it can taser all it wants and all you get is some whining on digg. Theres no blood to water the liberty tree if the state uses non-lethal weapons.
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