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- ubernoggin, on 04/30/2008, -2/+34Quote from the article: "But hardly any of the papers grasped the severity of Nazi anti-Semitism." Yeah, I don't think anyone really grasped that until much later.
- x00x, on 04/30/2008, -1/+18Thanks for posting this. This is a fascinating look into the past. There was an obscure group of Jews probably ending up in the gas chambers, who had liked, supported many of Hitler views, such as his rabid stand against Communism, his economic polcies, German nationalism, even supporting Hitler's views on curbing Jewish immigration from Poland. These group had the unlikely name of "Jews for Hitler". Sounds almost comical today, like maybe from a Mel Brooks movie, but reading this makes you realize how utterly clueless they, the German people, the world at large were about Hitler and his henchmen.
- fermcg, on 04/30/2008, -3/+17It quite common for evil villains...
Palpatine also made a great impression at start - drdavid, on 04/30/2008, -1/+11Hitler's anti-Semitism was central to Hitler, but in their election campaigns from 1930-32, it was not the widest plank in their political platform. The Nazis ran on a ticket of national resurgency, redistribution of wealth from the capitalists to those who needed it in a time of Depression, and helping a divided nation (understood as the German "race") transcend its petty divisions into one great national community. It was just that, for Hitler and the ideological core of the Nazi Party, the means to accomplish each of those apparently noble goals was by "eliminating" the Jews. It took them until about 1938 to fully conceive that "eliminate" could mean "kill" as well as "expropriate and deport" and until 1941 to realize that they could do it.
Therefore if the newspapers of a would-be Jewish nation striving to overcome its differences and cultivate a racial or sectarian consciousness among its far-flung divided members while trying to build a homeland saw anything to admire in "crusading" Hitler of 1932, it should not be too terribly surprising. After all it was 1932 not 1942. These are the same reasons one sees Mein Kampf in the book bazaars of New Delhi, not for their anti-Semitic anger but for its unfortunate inspiration to Hindu "nationalism" (Hindutva). - punkorambo, on 04/30/2008, -5/+14If you want people to know the truth then you should at least speak it yourself. Hamas was designated a terrorist organization well before the election. Also, Hamas has plenty of members that aren't in Israeli prisons: http://worldblog.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/04/17/ ... (others available) And they also have members in prisons of other countries (including Arab countries): http://africa.reuters.com/top/news/usnBAN651136.ht ...
PS - Your comment has nothing to do with the article so leave your opinion for somewhere else - justiceape, on 04/30/2008, -5/+14That people in Germany, including many Jews, were unaware of anti-Semitism or its severity is an historical myth that has been disproven over and over. Civilian populations were aware of the persecution of Jews. Hitler and myriad other public speakers had been spewing vitriole against Jews for decades. Martin Luther hated Jews. Pretty much everyone hated Jews. Even many Jews. Zionist Jewish groups, certain radical cult members in Germany at the time actually helped in the persecution, and in extreme circumstances, extermination of Jewish groups. Don't misread me. They weren't "behind" the Holocaust. But they certainly helped. This was because certain elite Jews were so motivated to form a state in Israel, they actually wanted Hitler to round them all up in Europe so they HAD to go to Israel. They also helped the government set astronomical financial barriers to any Jewish families trying to leave the country by official means. It's totally sick. Anyway, this notion that the Holocaust was a surprise to anyone was total bunk. It's because people just can't swallow that Germany, and pretty much all of Europe were a bunch of Jew-hating racists, and that Hitler and any number of other popular politicians were saying over and over for decades how they wanted to get rid of them all. Why did Jews stay in Germany in all this? For the same reason you all are having the same flawed discussion on this forum. They simply were not capable of believing that something that evil really was true. It wasn't a surprise. They knew about it. Everyone knew about it. But the worst parts of it were too terrifying for a normal, socialized person to really believe. That's why everyone says up and down that the Holocaust will never happen again, but I think something like it will. Why were half a million children allowed to die in Iraq from our sanctions? Because none of us really, really know what that even means. Evil wins not when you help it, but when you don't do anything.
- Klainmeister, on 04/30/2008, -3/+10if you're trying to draw a correlation between Obama and Hitler you're an idiot.
- sungoddess808, on 04/30/2008, -4/+10Yes, they are human beings and were taught to hate! Not just Jews, but Americans and Europeans as well. Have you ever given any thought to why suicide bombers in Israel target places where there is a large American and tourist population? Sir Pepper, they don't like us!!
It wouldn't surprise me if they were brainwashed as small children. I saw that when I was in the Muslim Quarter of the Old City. Young Muslim children throwing rocks at tourists and pointing their toy guns, pretending to shoot as we walked past.
They need to be taught the value of life! This should start at home by their parents and also in school. - micro506, on 04/30/2008, -3/+9Great, reversed Godwinned already
- yonoz, on 04/30/2008, -0/+5...or better yet, Muslim fundamentalism apologists, particularly the nuclear-enabling ones.
- spongya77, on 04/30/2008, -2/+6You forgot about the US. Antisemitism was rampant in the US, too... just talk to Ford.
(And the extermination was not always an option. I found a booklet on a flea market by a pro-Nazi writer from '31 that was discussing the relocation of the European Jews to Madagascar. Everybody knew they hated the Jews. Heck, just read Mein Kampf. But the extermination wasn't always on the table.) - pinchduck, on 04/30/2008, -1/+5They should consider publishing a retraction. It turns out that he sucked.
- punkorambo, on 04/30/2008, -3/+7Damn Digg and their link system: http://worldblog.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/04/17/ ...
http://africa.reuters.com/top/news/usnBAN651136.ht ... - SirPopper, on 04/30/2008, -1/+5This newsletter confesses its faults. A lil late but they do!!
- zolthar, on 04/30/2008, -2/+6"We Always remember only the Jews", are you stupid or a bigot?
The Holocaust refers to the planned extermination of complete populations, mostly Jews, and that's what "We" remember.
My grandfather Is a WWII war casualty and is not part of the Holocaust "we" remember, even if he was Jewish, can you understand why? - sungoddess808, on 04/30/2008, -6/+10Maybe you can pass along some of your "humanities" to the Islamic terrorists! Educate them about the value of a human life!!
- RSS14, on 04/30/2008, -0/+3"Tyrants have always some slight shade of virtue; they support the laws before
destroying them." -Voltaire - sungoddess808, on 04/30/2008, -5/+8You said,"we" all paid a high price?? How, may I ask, did you pay?? I can see it was typed as prize, but I assume you meant price.
- foopirata, on 04/30/2008, -4/+7There is a difference between the killing that happens in war and the systematic campaign of killing that was directed against Gypsies, Roma, homosexuals, Jews and those that went against the Nazi machine. By talking about Jews, the largest group targeted by the death machine, the horror of that is brought forth. But the other groups have to be equally remembered and lamented.
- drdavid, on 04/30/2008, -1/+4Yeah right. It is true that Jews tended to be sympathetic to communism in the interwar period. Communism was anti-nationalist. It should not be surprising if many Jews were attracted to the idea of the "brotherhood of man" and breaking the remaining bonds that made them "something different" in a negative way. Since the main anti-Semites were also rabid nationalists, is it not logical that eliminating rabid nationalism would also eliminate anti-Semitism?
BTW the notion that Communism was a Jewish movement does not stand up to sociological analysis. Yes Marx, Trotsky, and Rosa Luxembourg were Jews, but the number of Jews among the "big communist names" does not go much farther than that. - weeFred, on 04/30/2008, -1/+4It doesn't matter if you're a political leader, if you commit crimes you should be in prison. How many of those in Hamas are innocent?
- tbstudee, on 04/30/2008, -2/+5This is real life.
- neko6, on 04/30/2008, -3/+6Hamas didn't become a meaningful political group until the last election. In 1996 they had hardly any influence on politics - rather only on murdering civilians, which is what got them labeled as a terrorist organization.
- inactive, on 05/05/2008, -0/+2 You are completely wrong that the number of the Jews does not go much further than that. 90% of the leadership of Soviet Russia after the Revolution was Jewish.
- gcnaddict, on 04/30/2008, -2/+4They don't even know the value of their own lives.
in b4 terrorist lives have no value. Hell yes they do; it's just that they failed at realizing their potential. - drdavid, on 04/30/2008, -2/+4Yes they were aware of Hitler's anti-Semitism, but that meant different things in 1932 than it did in 1942.
In Poland in 1939 and 1940, Jews were forced to move into special districts called ghettos or "Jewish quarters," preparatory to being moved to a special "Jewish reservation." First this reservation was going to be in the Lublin area of Poland, then it was supposed to be Madagascar, by which time the idea of deportation was replaced by planning for the Final Solution.
When Jews were put into ghettos, Jews did not tend to view it as a permanent condition any more than the Germans did. In trying to make the best of a bad situation, many Jews viewed the ghetto as a means to bring Jews together and remind them that they were Jews, educate the children, build the community, etc. Because it so instantly and devastatingly erased Jews' past efforts at assimilation. - yonoz, on 04/30/2008, -3/+5Sources please.
- govsucks, on 04/30/2008, -6/+8How is it that the desire for peace so easily outweighs common sense? Here we have the leader of Iran talking about cleaning the Jews from the face of Earth and people still make excuses for him after we have seen things like this repeat themselves in history over and over, mostly by people calling themselves socialists and talking about helping "the people". Iran wants a nuclear program so it can help its people right...Hitler just wanted to help the German people right, Stalin just wanted to help the people of Russia and the worker right....Democrats and Republicrats just want to help the people right!?
- Shakermaker, on 04/30/2008, -2/+4English your bad, hurts head make!
- SilverBadger, on 04/30/2008, -0/+2The truly terrible thing is that it was all there in Mein Kampf for the world to read. If ever the world had a warning about the madness to come - this was it.
- toastmonster, on 04/30/2008, -1/+3Good article, but buried for the lame auto-refresh to clock up the page views. Like I'm going to scroll back down to where I was just reading just to be assaulted by more ads...
- Klingon00, on 04/30/2008, -0/+2Hitler was trying to make the world a better place through big government as well. After all, the defining point of a totalitarian fascistic government, is BIG government.
Conservatives, by contrast believe in just the opposite, smaller, limited government because no matter how good intentioned, absolute power, tends to corrupt absolutely sooner or later. As Ronald Regan said: "That government which governs least governs best." Certainty not a fascist ideology in the least, in fact just the opposite. - inactive, on 05/01/2008, -0/+2Smithereen; You are GREAT! I thought I was all alone in not being brainwashed.
- VitriolAndAngst, on 04/30/2008, -0/+2You are completely forgetting all the Jewish folks on Wall Street. I don't think they fit into this narrow category you are making.
- scamper22, on 04/30/2008, -0/+2Just to clarify
The above is not meant to say that is what Jews believed. Perhaps some did.
But that is how the 'greater good' is often used to justify extreme actions. That is the mindset.
I could write a similar satire about Islamic terrorists and the like. - govsucks, on 05/01/2008, -0/+2Yeah, and the KKK has no bad intentions towards black folk. What a bunch of suckers. I lived with a family from Iran for over two years, they were a average muslim family and you could not convince a single one of them that the Jews weren't the cause of all the worlds problems. So you think whatever the ***** you want. I have spent A BUNCH of time with people from the middle east, I have sat and smoked and talked with the men for hours on end. Ahmadinejad would most certainly and with great joy kill all the jews if he could and he would be a hero to the people in the greater middle east if he did. Fools like you are how people like Hitler and Admadinejad sneak up and smack us all in the back of the head.
- prleet, on 05/01/2008, -0/+1it has nothing to do with crime....how many so called democratic government has done the same...it is only good when it benefits you, so again for the third time, blow me.
- hmac, on 04/30/2008, -1/+2I'm glad I'm not the only sane one.
- prleet, on 05/01/2008, -0/+1yet you deal with china, and not cuba, so again, blow me.....
- neko6, on 04/30/2008, -3/+4"certain elite Jews were so motivated to form a state in Israel, they actually wanted Hitler to round them all up in Europe so they HAD to go to Israel." - how exactly does exterminating 30% of Jews help form a Jewish state? Without WW2, there couldn't be a Jewish state - there wouldn't have been any Jews left...
- tucsonwc, on 04/30/2008, -0/+1And what might that "truth" be? If they "saw" it before they became "emotionally invested" why would they support him to begin with? What are YOU "emotionally invested" in?
- notoneofus, on 04/30/2008, -2/+3When?
- neko6, on 04/30/2008, -2/+3"How is it that the desire for peace so easily outweighs common sense?" - I agree with this.
The rest is a bit hyped... - justiceape, on 05/02/2008, -0/+1Totally agree.
- franklymister, on 04/30/2008, -2/+3The joke at the end is great:
Fortune teller (to Hitler): I see that you will die on the eve of big Jewish holiday.
Hitler: If so, I'll cancel all of the Jews' festivals and holidays.
Fortune teller: Even so, the day after your death will be a big Jewish holiday. - justiceape, on 05/02/2008, -0/+1True, but that's only the outward manifestation to most people at the time. Hitler wrote Mein Kampf around 1925 in prison, and then he wasn't all that coy about what he really wanted to do. Mein Kampf was widely, really voraciously read. My point is that the extermination of Jews, among others, was floating around there. No one wanted to out and out acknowledge it, is my argument.
- StigNordas, on 04/30/2008, -10/+11The only good impression he'd make is on the bottom of my boot.
- Nanobe, on 04/30/2008, -2/+3The "wipe Israel off the face of the Earth" quote was a mistranslation and was out of context. Ahmadinejad has repeatedly said that he refuses to start a military conflict with Israel, probably because Israel would so kick Iran's butt. What he said, in context, was that *someone else* (namely, Ayatollah Khomenei, the father of the Islamic Revolution) said that the Israeli regime needs to end, and that he (Ahmadinejad) would simply like to see Palestine given a say in their own fate.
- prleet, on 05/01/2008, -0/+1everyone is a terrorist unless they do what you ask of them....so blow me!
- VitriolAndAngst, on 04/30/2008, -2/+3This is an important article because history is repeating itself. The NeoCons still have credibility with our media, while they stonewall good government and trying to make the world a better place.
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