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Forensics expert: Obama birth certificate a "forgery".
web.israelinsider.com — Barack Obama may be on a world tour surrounded by a fawning media, but Sunday an expert in electronic document forensics released a detailed report on the purported birth certificate -- actually a "Certification of Live Birth" or COLB -- claimed as genuine by his campaign.
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- Minarchian, on 07/21/2008, -8/+24Why am I not surprised that littlegreenKOSnazis are giving out propaganda through forgeries?
- kamel, on 07/31/2008, -0/+1Sorry for the comment hijacking. Here's a link to the actual report, http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/20 ...
- avengingturnip, on 07/21/2008, -15/+18Wait a minute! So both McCain and Obama are likely not legally able to be president? What a weird year this is.
- exgop, on 07/22/2008, -1/+10McCain was born in the Panama Canel zone to an American mother and military officer father. At the time the Panama canel was controlled by the US. The father was there on official business.
- yellowcakewalk, on 07/22/2008, -4/+3Legal or not, neither one of them is worthy of being president.
- zombies187, on 07/21/2008, -5/+17I would like to see an independent corroboration of this. It sounds too dumb to be true.
- proveritas, on 07/21/2008, -3/+11Agreed!
- drachemorder, on 07/21/2008, -7/+12Yeah, well, I thought liberals were too dumb to be true...
- zombies187, on 07/22/2008, -2/+5I'm digging you up in the hopes that becomes McCains campagne slogan.
- drachemorder, on 07/22/2008, -3/+3"drach - why the past tense ‽ ‽ ‽ "
Well, I used to think "no one could possibly be that stupid."
Then Obama got nominated.
Now I've learned that there are only two things that are infinite: the universe, and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the universe.
- picciano, on 07/21/2008, -0/+3Okay, would not a quick call to Hawaii Department of Records (or whatever it's called there) clear this up one way or another?
- drachemorder, on 07/21/2008, -3/+9The investigator who did this research did exactly that. Most people wouldn't talk to him; the only one who did confirmed that the certificate looked fake.
- zombies187, on 07/22/2008, -0/+2"Most people wouldn't talk to him; the only one who did confirmed that the certificate looked fake."
That sounds a little like this 'investigator' stopped calling after the first person answered and said "it doesn't look like his real Hawaiian birth certificate which I am holding." Its much ado about nothing. Call me when Glenn Becks crazy ass dares to clai its true. But I guess he wouldn't since he is part of the liberal media I've heard so much about in every part of the media. - kamel, on 07/31/2008, -0/+1It's a protected record. So unless Obama himself gets and releases it, no one will see it.
- drachemorder, on 07/21/2008, -9/+23I've given the technical analysis an initial read-through. So far it looks pretty sound. The Obama certificate looks very different from the genuine samples --- differences that can best be explained by a casual photoshop job. A VERY casual photoshop job --- I could make a much more believable forgery myself, and I'm not a professional.
- MisterWonderful, on 07/21/2008, -10/+4AAAAAAAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHA.
whew....one sec....
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"I'm not a professional."
You don't ***** say?!
- MisterWonderful, on 07/21/2008, -10/+4AAAAAAAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHA.
- allisonrose870, on 07/21/2008, -13/+15This is almost too good to be true! Obama getting tossed out on a technicality and the libs / KOS getting caught red handed. I love it!
- BigBenKlingon, on 07/21/2008, -11/+7You seriously are that daft aren't you?
- StarWarsFan, on 07/21/2008, -4/+10This might be a dumb question, but why is Obama's birth certificate being compared to the 2007 and 2008 versions? Last time I checked, he's more than one year old.
- drachemorder, on 07/21/2008, -5/+15Because the certificate is a "certification of live birth", which is a copy printed off from Hawaii's records at the time it is requested. It's a valid, official document and valid proof of birth; it's just not the original birth certificate. The certificate posted is claimed to have been requested in 2007, so if it were real it would look like other 2007 certificates.
The investigator got his hands on a number of sample certificates dating back to 2003 or so for comparison, and Obama's doesn't look like any of them. The security border is wrong, it shows evidence of having been created in Photoshop, the text is aligned incorrectly, the image is not properly centered, and that's just for starters. It looks like not only a photoshop job, but a rather clumsy one. My guess is that someone at Daily Kos slapped it together in ten minutes and posted it, and the Obama campaign simply picked it up from there, assumed it to be genuine, and posted it on their anti-smear site.
- drachemorder, on 07/21/2008, -5/+15Because the certificate is a "certification of live birth", which is a copy printed off from Hawaii's records at the time it is requested. It's a valid, official document and valid proof of birth; it's just not the original birth certificate. The certificate posted is claimed to have been requested in 2007, so if it were real it would look like other 2007 certificates.
- Torquedoff, on 07/21/2008, -1/+11Boy, deja vu - wasn't this the same tactic CBS used against Pres Bush's military service a while back?
- cigardude, on 07/21/2008, -6/+8Interesting that none of the main stream media is even mentioning this--but not surprising. So what to do--vote for a dumbacrat or for rebuttlican? No-bama, No-cain, No-choice ... we're screwed!
- drachemorder, on 07/21/2008, -3/+5Yeah, the only question left is philips or flathead?
- picciano, on 07/21/2008, -6/+13The background image of a blank certificate was modified in Photoshop by adding the text on top. The user of Photoshop used 9 point Arial with 5 spaces after the first and middle names. The pixel distortion found around each character appears to be a result of a slight distortion from re-encoding JPEG compression after the text was added to the already JPEG-encoding background. The text is PERFECTLY aligned TO THE PIXEL from one side of the page to the other, yet the background is somewhat crooked from being scanned in. The same thing can be seen with the perfectly left-aligned text, yet, again, the vertical line of the decorative border is not exactly vertical. This means that while the background was scanned, the text was computer-generated.
Obvious forgery.- picciano, on 08/09/2008, -0/+1Image: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.shared/image.html ...
- SamMcPhy, on 07/21/2008, -7/+14Where there is smoke ...
That Obama has NOT requested an official (with the seal) State of Hawaii birth certificate be sent to a well respect third party for verification and dissemination to the media should make everyone suspicious about his eligibility to be President. Doing this would put this issue to rest if he is eligible.
The PUMA (Party Unity My Ass) people should demand he provide proof at the Democratic Convention of his birth in Hawaii to the Credentials Committee.
Perhaps were in for an August Surprise by the Hillary camp.
Even better would be a Republican suit in the US Supreme Court challenging Obamas eligible to be President after Obamas nomination. Can you imagine the pandemonium in the Democratic party and Big Media if Obama isn't eligible? The Republicans would laugh all the way to a big win.- drachemorder, on 07/21/2008, -3/+11If I were in charge that's exactly what I'd do --- drop this bomb just in time to destroy Obama's chances, but not give him enough time to come up with a potential defense.
The fact that the certificate is forged may not mean much --- it's entirely likely someone at Daily Kos just whipped it up in photoshop and posted it just to dispel the rumors, just to shut up the objectors. (It's not as though Koslings have morals or anything, so clearly they would have no qualms about doing something like that.) The real problem, though, is that regardless of its source, Obama's campaign took it and posted it as the official response to the birth certificate rumors. That put the campaign's seal of approval on it. That makes Obama guilty of passing a forged government record. Isn't that, you know, a crime?
- drachemorder, on 07/21/2008, -3/+11If I were in charge that's exactly what I'd do --- drop this bomb just in time to destroy Obama's chances, but not give him enough time to come up with a potential defense.
- LeRenard, on 07/21/2008, -11/+2Wow, what a bunch of nut jobs. When the certificate was posted on KOS it was noted that the borders had been cropped, hence EXIF pointing to photoshop.
- drachemorder, on 07/21/2008, -3/+10That's not anywhere near the only piece of evidence presented against the certificate's authenticity.
- 10stackz, on 07/21/2008, -6/+8Forged or not Forged I think every President or any body that runs for any political office should have to submit to a background check and those details released to the public.. Some might say invasion of privacy, but just like when you apply for a job and it requires a background check only the boss is privileged to that info.. but seeing how our tax dollars are paying their salary and we vote for our leaders were technically their employers
- Nannybell, on 07/21/2008, -5/+5Good points. We need to know who these people really are, what they've been up to all their lives.
- SamMcPhy, on 07/21/2008, -5/+8The other articles referenced in this article expand on what you said:
"Ordinary people are compelled to produce certified paper birth certificates to get a passport or a driver's license. Why, people are asking, doesn't Obama needed to show one to run for President?
Only Barack Obama (or another immediate family member) can authorize the release of the paper birth certificate, and submit it to objective analysis. He refuses to do so, even though it would seem to be in his interest to do so, to silence the skeptics, to show that they are wrong and he is right, to settle once and for all that he is a "natural born citizen" entitled by the US Constitution to be President of the United States. Yet there is only silence and inaction from Obama and his campaign on the subject. The palpably uncertified document remains online, with an explanation that refers only to the date of Hawaiian Statehood and an irrelevant passage from the Constitution."- kayala, on 07/22/2008, -5/+5Yeah, I think it'd be a grand idea to release a very important man's birth certificate for all the world to see. In fact, we should all release our birth certificates for all the world to see! Who's first? How about you? Let's see your birth certificate, sir! After all, full disclosure and all that.
- DuggDowner, on 07/21/2008, -14/+7More craziness from the paranoid right.
- cashman57, on 07/22/2008, -3/+3So you have a record of his live birth? What hospital was he born in? None of the Hawaii hospitals have a record of his mother being admitted or his birth. Perhaps you, who seem to be so knowledgable, could provide me with the name of the hospital he was born in?
- ironhide, on 07/25/2008, -0/+2Hey Cash, Paul is still a loser. Digging up ***** isn't going to change that fact one bit.
- ironhide, on 07/25/2008, -0/+2Hey Cash, Paul is still a loser. Digging up ***** isn't going to change that fact one bit.
- cashman57, on 07/22/2008, -3/+3So you have a record of his live birth? What hospital was he born in? None of the Hawaii hospitals have a record of his mother being admitted or his birth. Perhaps you, who seem to be so knowledgable, could provide me with the name of the hospital he was born in?
- SamMcPhy, on 07/21/2008, -6/+9israelinsider has an excellent series of articles (referenced in this digg article) about this very big problem for Obama.
http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/129 ... June 21, 2008
http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/129 ... June 24, 2008
http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/129 ... June 28,2008
http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/129 ... July 3, 2008
http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/129 ... July 7, 2008
http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/129 ... July 20, 2008
Some very good points from these articles:
"What could be the Obama campaign's motive for withholding the original birth certificate and passing off instead a crudely forged facsimile of a "Certification of Live Birth"?...
Geraghty said the Obama campaign could "debunk" the rumors about his birth simply by releasing a copy of his birth certificate, but the campaign has so far chosen not to do that. ...
One would have thought that the most basic documentary proof of the location and date of his birth should be a basic and non-controversial requirement for any presidential candidate, and part of the public record, much more so than one's tax return or annual checkup. It is almost incomprehensible that they would withhold this information -- unless there is something to hide. ...
Barack Obama has claimed in writing to have a valid printed document: In the first chapter of his book Dreams From My Father, describing his origins, he wrote about finding a local Hawaiian newspaper article about his Kenyan father: "I discovered this article, folded away among my birth certificate and old vaccination forms, when I was in high school."
So where is that birth certificate? It got lost? The dog ate it? No matter. Barack Obama or an immediate family member can plunk down $10 ($11.50 if he orders online) and have Hawaii mail a certified document to him within a week or two. But more than two weeks have passed since the Obama campaign adopted the suspect, uncertified image of a purported birth document published by a left-wing blog Daily Kos, and nothing certified and nothing on paper has since has been forthcoming. Nor has there been any official comment about the issue from the campaign. They may cling to the hope -- however audacious -- that the one issue that could disqualify their man constitutionally from gaining the presidency will just go away. ..." - wishninja, on 07/21/2008, -2/+6But the state says he has a birth certificate. So I do not see how any of these pixels and speculation off of scans will do anything.
- ozymandias2012, on 07/21/2008, -2/+4This is not going to work.
- okiemike, on 07/21/2008, -5/+12Who is actually surprised at any of this? The entire campaign is a fake. I mean how the hell are we supposed to vote for someone who doesn't even know that there are 50 States? Seriously folks why would anyone vote for such a person. If anyone doesn't know what i speak of just google Obama's 57 states and hear him for 30 seconds looking like a fool. No one would ever vote for him if they saw that video. It's on Youtube too - here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws
- DorkAlert, on 07/21/2008, -5/+9Well it will be 57 states after we assimilate Mexico and Canada and a couple more countries in Central America...Duh!!! He is just thinking ahead...:)
- rjwusa, on 07/22/2008, -7/+13Wow, both Obama and his birth certificate are frauds, phonies and fakes. I'm not a least bit surprised.
- linux6994, on 07/22/2008, -5/+11Please if it is true that he is not eligible for the Presidency then lets be done with him. We do not need him at all. He being President would be a huge mistake. We can not give the Democratic "leadership" any credibility what so ever, they are fools. Fools from the top down, Pelosi and Reid are asses of such misguided, disgusting caliber that having a Dem President to support their garbage would be the worst thing for our nation. If Pelosi, Reid, and the other Dems would step away then maybe we could handle Obama. Obama and the inept Dem leardership together would unfathomable!
- Ruler4you, on 07/22/2008, -5/+6The U.S. is no longer a sovereign nation. The requisites for President will not be applied. This is a global theater now. And while there is no global participation in the vote, it is clear that global approval is being sought by both candidates and that BO is being reported globally as though there is some global meaning to his running for the presidency.
The United States of America doesn't stand for what it once stood for. We have folded our principles up and left town. I guess government found out that living by principles and commitments is much harder than it looks. It's much easier to victimize others or just to look out for yourself, in either case relative morality is the metric of choice for them but is not acceptable for the rest of us.
As a nation we can't come together if we separate ourselves into different groups.
We consider the different ethnic groups here in America but we look at the world like it's a 'whole' with a piece missing and we are the part that fits in that whole hole. Like we are wrong inside America but the rest of the world is ok. This is a bad perspective. But it is the one media wants to convey.
Globalism is where we are headed. BO just happens to be the one guy with too faint of an understanding to see this and becomes the favorite of those who would use him to get their way. And they are... - exgop, on 07/22/2008, -6/+6If true this would be wonderful. The libs will go crazy. I love seeing them burn buildings, wreck cars and do basic mayhem. If this is not true I will have to wait for Denver. Dont know about you, but I would not park my car on the streets on Denver next month
- xjRx, on 07/22/2008, -2/+2You know this will happen... oh no...another election stolen...tisk tisk
- exgop, on 07/22/2008, -3/+4You mean like Democrat election officials in Broward and Dade counties changing the rules after the election? Or Florida Supreme court upholding the rule changes after the election Or was it Al Gores scumbag lawyers fanning out to disqualify overseas military ballots.
- fulibs, on 07/22/2008, -2/+6Ha, I live in Denver, and I am planning on leaving during the Convention. Hopefully when I get back, the place will still resemble the place I grew up to remember.
- zombies187, on 07/22/2008, -4/+3You dummies think the dems are going to burn down Denver? What will you do when they don't? Hire some thugs to fake it I assume. Which is it anyway? Are dems violent anarchists or passive socialists? Is it more important to just throw out whatever contradictory craziness you can invent than to have a coherent argument against a guy?
- xjRx, on 07/22/2008, -2/+2You know this will happen... oh no...another election stolen...tisk tisk
- xjRx, on 07/22/2008, -6/+6Ahh..the famous quote "oh boy is this great!" comes to mind.
I can wait for the morning I wake up and all you Obama followers commit suicide when hes dropped from the race. - cashman57, on 07/22/2008, -6/+4No hospital in Hawaii has a record of the birth or of his mothers admission to the OB or ER.
The campaign says that the COLB presented by the leftist site IS the COLB.
Now we see that the COLB is fake.An obvious fake.
OBushma is not doing very well as far as credibility. We have seen his flip-flops and broken campaign promises. We have listened to his goofy ideas and his total misinterpretation of the Constitution. He is the only Editor of the Harvard Law Review who didn't have the highest GPA and the only candidate ever to need 80 hours of deliberation to be accepted.
The man is a phony, of that there can be no doubt, but, what does this say about the State of Illinois and their lack of due diligence to make sure he was eligible to run there? - CapnObvious, on 07/22/2008, -3/+6"This is not the birth certificate that I knew..."
- detokaal, on 07/23/2008, -3/+4Now if only a citizen will step up and file a lawsuit in his state to have him removed from the ballot...
- Christianptriot, on 07/23/2008, -3/+5Where is the Senator or Congressman or woman who will publicly demand that obama submit proof of his US citizenship?
McCain is a US citizen by birth to American parents on US-controlled soil - clearly legal and no question except form the left hoping against hope that he is not a citizen.
I think they do that to draw attention away from the facts as they are starting to become apparent - that obama is trying to downplay and ignore this situation.
Someone in Congress needs to subpoena the documents and submit them to the Federal Elections Commission for verification. - cashman57, on 07/23/2008, -3/+2There is a conspiracy theory that OBushma was actually born in Kenya, not Hawaii and that is why there is not one single solitary record of his birth in Hawaii.
Don't know if it is true or not but until OBushma comes up with a real birth certificate and tells us which hospital he was born in there will be more theories as to where and when he was born. - nblsavage, on 07/25/2008, -2/+4Christ you people are pathetic. Buried as inaccurate because there is no "dumb" option.
- mrsurftheweb, on 07/25/2008, -4/+3It is amazing that the press will ignore this. Maybe Hillary will bring it up at the convention and that along with his poll numbers will result in Hillary getting the nod at the convention.
- nblsavage, on 07/25/2008, -0/+3Yet another ignorant dumbass.
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