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- Travisx2, on 01/18/2008, -1/+55How about a "Server that can handle Digg" rig guide for 08?
- metamorfoza, on 01/18/2008, -11/+38are you joking? XP in almost all [DX 9] benchmarks performed better than Vista, any 'serious' gamer would keep XP over Vista which currently offers nothing in terms of DX10 capabilities, and in many games (apart maybe from Crysis) there is only slight difference in visuals(lighting & soft particles in particular) between Dx9 & DX10.
but again you have daddy's/mommy's kids that do an upgrade of their rig every 3 months. - Dgen_X, on 01/18/2008, -1/+24My computer doesn't have the power to load this page....
- sundancekid503, on 01/18/2008, -15/+36Amongst gamers I think the Vista adoption rate is doing fine, it's the Enterprise level customers who are really holding out.
- Tiemmothi, on 01/18/2008, -5/+24Yeap I recently removed Vista and put Xp back on my new box, because the perfomance was lack luster.
- inactive, on 01/18/2008, -2/+218800GT?
- Waterproof, on 01/18/2008, -10/+27"Guide to gaming for 2008: Upgrade your current equipment. Repeat in 2009."
Is this really needed? - chicken101, on 01/18/2008, -6/+21most of us just pirate it though.
- jggube, on 01/18/2008, -2/+16Your site be broke, yo....
- muka3d, on 01/18/2008, -3/+16For ~$800 you can get the following (given you have a hard drive and DVD drive, if not add $150):
Intel Core 2 Duo E6750 (2.6GHz, 2nd fastest Core 2 Duo, not counting Extreme/Penryn)
EVGA nForce 680i LT SLI (Best mobo around till 780i came out)
EVGA GeForce 8800GT (Best performance/price ratio, about 5-10% slower than top of the line Ultra)
4GB of OCZ or Corsair Dominator RAM
A good 500W power supply
The above runs Crysis on HIGH very well, and maxes out virtually any currently released game. - Piyh, on 01/18/2008, -0/+11Google caught each page
P1: http://209.85.165.104/search?hl=en&q=cache%3Ahttp% ...
P2: http://209.85.165.104/search?hl=en&q=cache%3Ahttp% ...
P3: http://209.85.165.104/search?hl=en&q=cache%3Ahttp% ...
P4: http://209.85.165.104/search?hl=en&q=cache%3Ahttp% ...
P5: http://209.85.165.104/search?hl=en&q=cache%3Ahttp% ...
P6: http://209.85.165.104/search?hl=en&q=cache%3Ahttp% ... - cthellis, on 01/18/2008, -1/+11They didn't make XP SP2/DX9 "too good" so much as they made Vista "not enough better," and with definite downsides compared to what we're used to... for gaming, especially since DX10 development is still too confused and performance-crippling. (To a scale we never saw before in any previous DX transition.)
- zxcasd, on 01/18/2008, -0/+9PC gaming isn't dead...
- beepimajeep, on 01/18/2008, -0/+9What the *****? I bet you bought a 7950 recently for that irrational diggtard antimicro$osft reason and now regret not getting a cheaper and faster 8800 GT, so you want to spread this misfortune onto others. Shame on you.
- JohnFrum, on 01/18/2008, -1/+9I understand that the demand for dx10 and multi core is low right now. But if I buy a new system now it's also going to need to be for 2009 and 2010.
- scoottie, on 01/18/2008, -0/+8especially with the JavaBridge error
- Alfurnguy, on 01/18/2008, -2/+9Nvm thought they did but they only got the first page my bad :(
- Zlorp, on 01/18/2008, -1/+83870!!
though if you can find an 8800GT for the same price get it. Nvidia was wanting to sell them as a 200ish dollar card, but supply and demand ruined it. - cthellis, on 01/18/2008, -2/+9Vista's not a big concern anymore, as the default frame loss on games that have it is more like 5%, rather than the 20-25%+ that it was at at launch. And developers are more accustomed to it now, so I don't see it being a big issue. (Perhaps if you're tight on RAM...)
DX10 and the monkeyings-around (like Crysis turning off extra quality features on DX9 when they can still support them) are still many levels of crap right now, however. Best to leave it off by default even if you HAVE Vista and a DX10 card right now, and evaluate things on a case-by-case bases as we go along. - chingy1788, on 01/18/2008, -1/+8TNT2 FTW
- xNaquada, on 01/18/2008, -0/+6vanilla PSUs that come with cases are bad news waiting to happen to your hardware.
- metamorfoza, on 01/18/2008, -1/+7Well, I don't think that Vista adoption rate is doing fine, neither among gamers or on enterprise level. If that was a case we would see much more from developers. The reason being is Vista's poor performance - its a huge trade off that offers nothing. Until developers made a game with significant DX9 vs DX 10 difference in 2008 I think Vista continue will struggle among gamers [in this year].
But I agree that people are "looking into Vista" myslef included, but its to early to dive into it. not until SP packs are released, DX performance improved. etc. - estacado, on 01/18/2008, -0/+6They better fix their server rig, before telling people about gaming rigs.
- BlackKnight6, on 01/18/2008, -2/+8Valve bases their games off the survey results they pull from their users. If they see lots of people with DX10 cards and Vista then they are going to put more work into it since they see their base having the hardware for it. Telling gamers to not get good hardware and stay in the past helps games stay that way. Computers, specifically the PC, moves fast in hardware, and games are a big factor in driving performance increases and features. I say, buy what you willing to pay for.
Crytek already did that $900 experiment PC, 720P (1240x720), DX9, all settings high and 30+FPS on Crysis? Take a look at the high quality videos (the videos can attain around 60 FPS i think, so you can see the real performance the machine was getting, minus the video capture overhead), I was quite impressed:
http://www.incrysis.com/index.php?option=com_conte ... - BigBallistix, on 01/18/2008, -2/+7Sucky article, just custom-build monstrosities from little back-alley computer stores. That's what I did, and I've had a perfectly healthy 8800GTX rig for around 6 months now. Nearly 2 grand cheaper than most chains. Universities are a good source of old hardware too, by the way.
- Alfurnguy, on 01/18/2008, -5/+10http://duggmirror.com/pc_games/PC_Gaming_rig_guide ... dugg mirror got it
- Tenoq, on 01/18/2008, -0/+5I didn't think so. $800 for a gaming system doesn't seem excessive - and that's assuming people don't already have an OS license they can transfer to the new machine (given XP is 6 years old, that's seems very unlikely). Most existing gamers would also already have a case/burner/HDD they want to keep - perhaps even a decent PSU. Then you're looking
- Azuroth, on 01/18/2008, -0/+4Just to inject some number into the discussion, I just ran 3dmark06 in both XP SP2 and Vista 64 on the same machine*.
XP = 14,520
Vista = 13,599
That's about a 7% difference.
Granted, that says nothing about DX9 vs. DX10, but the OS itself isn't hugely different.
*Q6600, 6GB Ram, 8800GT with 169.29 drivers on both OS systems, clock settings for everything equal - Murdats, on 01/18/2008, -2/+6damn, I just bought my gaming rig yesterday.
ah well, im quite happy with what I have. - CCB0x45, on 01/18/2008, -2/+6Actually they still are really fun, thanks for your concern.
- benbrooks101, on 01/18/2008, -1/+5I have a good rig (Quad Core, 8800GTX, 2GB High Speed RAM etc.) and I found Vista significantly slower than XP, and a lot more annoying.
XP ftw if your going to be gaming, definatley.. - Zlorp, on 01/18/2008, -1/+5 thats why the 512 meg has been selling for nearly 300 dollars rather than under 250 like nvidia originally wanted. the prices are coming down some though. at least for a while the 3870 was a better bang for the buck, its only about 10% slower, and at one point it cost about 25% less.
- chingy1788, on 01/18/2008, -1/+5I agree its great, no crashes etc
but on my PC it lags behind XP (AMD Athlon 4000+, 1.5GB RAM)
i see noticeable lag when playing TF2 on the same settings as on XP
that's a turn off
I spose I'll wait for the next PC to go Vista
you must have many high end PCs in your house to have vista run faster than XP (vista scales better with hardware) - Fergy, on 01/18/2008, -0/+4If your cheap PSU goes, it may take your whole motherboard with it. In the mean time you may have an unstable system that makes a lot of noise. And you saved maybe 50 dollars over something as nice as an Antec Sonata.
- Tenoq, on 01/18/2008, -1/+5The only gamers jumping into Vista are the ones who aren't really into the scene anyway, in my experience. Those 'in-the-know' are sticking with XP until Vista offers something XP cannot. At the moment the only thing Vista offers is slower performing games.
- Zlorp, on 01/18/2008, -0/+48800gt is A LOT faster than the 7950. the 8800 supports DX10 but its still ***** faster in dx9. they are completely different in their design so comparing clock speeds is pointless.
- greenlight2001, on 01/18/2008, -0/+4Mirroring the first page of a mutli-page story is actually worse than no mirror at all.
- johnnliu, on 01/18/2008, -0/+3it's the Phantom!
- chingy1788, on 01/18/2008, -1/+4I do miss the good old days of the CRT where if 1600x1200 is too laggy, you can pop down to 800x600 and it will still look OK
- zephyr42, on 01/18/2008, -0/+3From what I've seen the only reason true die-hard PC games go with Vista Ultimate 64-bit is because it has more drivers than that of XP 64bit. To many of my gamer friends that's one of the biggest deciding factors.
- sergeosyd, on 01/18/2008, -0/+3I am still on XP with 8800!
- specialK16, on 01/18/2008, -1/+4A: lie
- vcleniuk, on 01/18/2008, -2/+5Site's down. Life sucks.
- sdlvx, on 01/18/2008, -0/+3I'm running XP with a DX10 card, and I also have Vista. I do not feel like I'm missing out on a thing.
- chingy1788, on 01/18/2008, -0/+3you're dead
PC gaming has survived 20 years and will survive more - iofthestorm, on 01/18/2008, -1/+4Yeah, although DX10 performance with the current crop of cards is really lacking I think it's better to have the capability than not have it at all. I know that if I had been running XP with a DX10 card I would feel like I'm missing out on something, although as of yet the benefits of DX10 have not really been pronounced.
- Tenoq, on 01/18/2008, -1/+4"i have a full atx case that came with a powersupply for 50 dollars"
There's a problem right there. :p - BlackSheep882, on 01/18/2008, -0/+2only thing dieing is consoles and their 4 year cycles
- Tenoq, on 01/18/2008, -0/+23DMark06 wouldn't be using 6GB of RAM anway, and NO games do. His numbers are useful because it shows the maximum performance achievable under Vista is STILL inferior to XP, even on the best hardware.
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