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- ObeseEurotrash, on 03/27/2008, -21/+205Quiting WoW was the best decision of my life.
- jmg703, on 03/27/2008, -10/+108I'm not into WOW, but I could see how this could hurt the game. I, for one, would feel cheated if I had worked so hard to get to a certain point only to find out I could have cheated to do it. Isn't one of the main aspects of an online game interaction with other players? If so many of them were "bot" controlled, then I would feel cheated and might cancel my account. In the end I think BLIZZARD is actually looking out for the players and the playing experience, AS WELL as their own profits... something we can't blame them for... unless no one wants them to spend millions developing WOW2, then fine, let the gaming experience suffer, let subscriptions get canceled and let everyone cheat.
- YellowSnowDemon, on 03/27/2008, -1/+90You honest bastard.
- Cerius, on 03/27/2008, -15/+85And here I was thinking it was simply millions of Chinese forced to play for days on end mining gold to be rewarded with one pound of rice.
Damn. - Ppk3000, on 03/27/2008, -4/+56FTA: "Blizzard has said the tool infringes copyright because it copies the game into RAM"
Breaking the EULA is one thing, but that copyright claim almost sounds like legal stances coming out of the **AAs.
So a memory dump from a crash also infringes copyright law? - badqat, on 03/27/2008, -1/+51Actually, it was up with 26 diggs. Make you feel better?
- poeck, on 03/27/2008, -2/+47Agree with you on that one. Now to fight off this digg addiction...
- z0zin, on 03/27/2008, -18/+63I used Glider probably more than I actually played myself, and I do feel bad about it. While I did make a few hundred dollars selling the gold I farmed, I feel that people who bot ruin the WoW economy, making everybody else have to grind a whole lot more.
- mrmoen, on 03/27/2008, -6/+50Interesting case. Not surprisingly there is no mention of the case on the Glider website. Markeedragon forums, which appears to be associated with Glider, provides a few more details on the story.
http://www.mmoglider.com/
http://www.markeedragon.com/forums/ubbthreads.php? ... - bitcloud, on 03/27/2008, -8/+37"Blizzard has said the tool infringes copyright because it copies the game into RAM in order to avoid detection by anti-cheat software."
Well *****...
Lets hope blizzard doesn't copy this page into their cache when they read this:
09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 - KnifeOrSpoon, on 03/27/2008, -3/+25You are partially right, except it is more like 40 to 60 hours a week playing a game in return for somewhere around $5USD per week.
- twertyto, on 03/27/2008, -2/+24"In the end I think BLIZZARD is actually looking out for the players and the playing experience"
That's really the bottom line. If people want to cheat so badly then they should just hook up with a private server and leave the legits alone. - themastersb, on 03/27/2008, -1/+23Not that anyone cares about that hex since HD-DVD is dead now.
- inactive, on 03/27/2008, -17/+36*Goes to buy the glider bot*
- dillona, on 03/27/2008, -6/+24Its sole purpose is to violate the EULA.
That sounds like a case to me. - ObeseEurotrash, on 03/27/2008, -0/+17Nope, still quiting WoW was the best.
- Woecip, on 03/27/2008, -1/+16You dont have to "break a law" to be sued in civil court.
- twertyto, on 03/27/2008, -4/+18Yes, now STFU
- Lionhart, on 03/27/2008, -1/+15You know that's the problem. I quit WoW once before but then I just find myself wasting more time on sites on digg, technology blogs, etc. I've noticed since I started playing again that I am not really wasting any more time than usual, I just read digg and such a hell of a lot less.
- damndj, on 03/27/2008, -5/+19Making a profit over an agreement that you broke? Sounds like he deserves it.
- RobotMojo, on 03/27/2008, -9/+22whats world of warcraft?
- Xzn31, on 03/27/2008, -2/+14...You killed it
- YellowSnowDemon, on 03/27/2008, -6/+17What, then they shouldn't be playing WoW in the first place if they intend to cheat rather than to play it?!
- KnifeOrSpoon, on 03/27/2008, -4/+15Good job admitting it buddy =) I have also had 3 characters Powerleveled from 1 to 60, bought somewhere in the vicinity of 200,000 gold, PVP powerleveled, and when i discovered the benefits of RealmBot and others I created 3 more WoW accounts and ran RB on all 3 accounts roughly 8 hours a day on a rotation basis.
My other account however (my relatively clean one) was banned for suspected botting, and the others were not even touched or queried. - Myztry, on 03/27/2008, -0/+11No you're not. You are breaching a contract, which is not illegal. They could sue you to seek an order of remedy, which has to be vetted against contract law, consumer protections laws, precedents, etc, etc, etc.
If a Judge issues an order, and you break that. THEN you're breaching the law.
A Court Order is a legal implement instituted by Government.
An EULA is a wish list instituted by a Corporation hoping to leverage government laws. - jmg703, on 03/27/2008, -1/+12If Glock were not called a firearm, but a "wife-murdering-weapon" than you certainly CAN sue them. The EXPRESSED INTENT is what is liable. The Glide program has a clear and expressed intent to automate WOW through a "hack" that copies/manipulates the game. Blizzard is taking advantage of that clause to stop the cheating.
- moush, on 03/27/2008, -1/+10Not ever starting is even better.
- Dunadan, on 03/27/2008, -1/+10FACT: You're not your
- DudeyDude, on 03/27/2008, -1/+10If you are a member of mmoglider there is a place set up on the forums to talk about the case.....it has been there since 06.
- Igno, on 03/27/2008, -2/+11Don't worry, you'll get used to it.
- locojones, on 03/27/2008, -2/+10I hate cheaters and bots as bad as anyone, but portions of this case could go either way. The bot portion of the program may very well run afoul of the end user license agreement, most notably the clauses excluding commercial explotation of the game or any part of it, or the use of a utility program to intercept or emulate communications with the game server. Regardless, the EULA has a catch-all provision that says, "Any use, reproduction, modification or distribution of the Game not expressly authorized by the terms of the License Agreement is expressly prohibited." However, the EULA only applies to the user who has installed the WOW software and is playing the game. If the owner of this company is not playing the game with his own version of the bot, then he has never agreed to the contract, and therefore cannot be in breach of it. And while a person can induce another to breach a contract, that generally, without more, does not subject that person to civil liability. Without having read the complaint, my guess is they'll try to pursue him under some kind of electronic trespass law like Ebay did back in the day to the auction spiders.
The copyright infringement allegations appears to lack merit, on first glance. Again, the law is pretty clear that breaching a contract that contains a copyright license, which the Blizzard EULA does, can subject the breaching party to an action founded in copyright infringement. Again, if the owner of this company is not playing the game, and therefore hasn't agreed to the EULA, then he's not in breach of the agreement and thus not directly liable for infringement of copyright.
If anything, he might be liable for inducement of others to infringe copyright, but that's a separate matter and one not alluded to in the article, however poorly written it may be. Even in that case, the Copyright Code allows for a copy of a program to be made in RAM without subjecting the user to infringement. Specifically, 17 USC 117 says that the lawful owner of a piece of software may make a copy or adaptation of the program in the computer's memory so long as the new copy or adaptation is created as an essential step in the utilization of the program in conjunction with a machine and that it is used in no other manner.
Without knowing more about how WOW runs regularly, it's difficult to say whether the copy this bot program allegedly makes to the RAM is an essential step to using the game. If it does make a copy, then this defense might not be available because it would be hard to argue that a copy made for purposes of evading anti-cheat software to artificially inflate ones game status is an essential step to running the game. However, if WOW normally copies itself to RAM, and this bot program merely utilizes or adapts that copy, then the argument of infringement becomes more difficult to prove.
This will be interesting to follow. - dillona, on 03/27/2008, -7/+15This suit was filed November 2006.
Links to the original filings are on the forum. - Sharky35, on 03/27/2008, -1/+9I worked with a guy who lost: His Wife, Family, and eventually his car and job. I went to check on him, he was sitting in his empty home, had a extension cord running from his neighbors home to his bedroom to power his PC as his power was cut off. He was leeching off a neighbors wireless for connectivity. And this guy saw NOTHING wrong with his life. He eventually disappeared. I mean he went AWOL from life and to this day no one has seen him.
- rakous, on 03/27/2008, -26/+34What, people would rather live their life then spend 24/7 playing WoW!?
- pleiroma, on 03/27/2008, -3/+11I have several friends who are current users of this program. The program is very well thought out and can be useful. A total of three of my friends have leveled characters to 70. However, using this program does have its downfalls. They all look like gold farmers with no professions/trinkets and so on and so forth. Although they might look like noobs, one of them actually farmed about 2,000 gold in one evening with his computer playing for him while he slept. Kind of unfair, it's kind of lame. But the thing that makes me the happiest is that one of my friends thought, "Hey, lets buy another separate account, pay for the monthly fee, get Burning Crusade and then level that guy to 70. So I can farm with two guys at once and completely rule the current economy on that certain realm." He got banned, and I was happy. Moral of this story, MMOGlider works well. But it was only a matter of time before Blizzard nerfed it. As we all know, anything good in WoW gets nerfed in the next patch.
- shaka999, on 03/27/2008, -5/+13Well if we are getting on confessional, I ran Glider myself. Being a non-hardcore gamer WoW was starting to drag so I thought I'd try it out. Its actually pretty fun trying to setup routes and seeing if how much exp per death you can get without getting caught. It also gets you exploring many of the backwater areas that nobody goes to.
I never sold any gold or anything and I really don't feel guilty at all about using it. WoW started as a casual friendly game and then the hardcore whiners got their way and most of the new content was for raids and such. Granted this was before any expansions so maybe they switched back to supporting the majority of players, but somehow I doubt it. - bernlin2000, on 03/27/2008, -3/+11Sorry...your still a cheater, no amount of excuses change that. You are cheapening the experience not only for yourself, but for everyone that you play with. You'll never tell those people you play with that your amazing 4 level 70s were gained from a bot, because you know they would think much less of you that way. If you are not willing to put the effort into the game yourself, then don't play it: play a Wii game or something
- DESTROYER2118, on 03/27/2008, -2/+10You are an idiot. It has absolutely nothing to do with copyright lol, stop talking out your ass and pretending like you know what your talking about. Let me quote Blizzard's ToS for you:
"# You agree that you will not (i) modify or cause to be modified any files that are a part of the Program or the Service; (ii) create or use cheats, bots, "mods", and/or hacks, or any other third-party software designed to modify the World of Warcraft experience; or (iii) use any third-party software that intercepts, "mines", or otherwise collects information from or through the Program or the Service. Notwithstanding the foregoing, you may update the Program with authorized patches and updates distributed by Blizzard, and Blizzard may, at its sole and absolute discretion, allow the use of certain third party user interfaces."
Is that clear enough? - GreatSunJester, on 03/27/2008, -1/+8"I ran glider myself...I never sold any gold or anything.."
Sounds a lot like "But I never inhaled" - shaka999, on 03/27/2008, -0/+7Getting ready to be buried by the people playing 16 hours a day.
- DESTROYER2118, on 03/27/2008, -1/+8"# You agree that you will not (i) modify or cause to be modified any files that are a part of the Program or the Service; (ii) create or use cheats, bots, "mods", and/or hacks, or any other third-party software designed to modify the World of Warcraft experience; or (iii) use any third-party software that intercepts, "mines", or otherwise collects information from or through the Program or the Service. Notwithstanding the foregoing, you may update the Program with authorized patches and updates distributed by Blizzard, and Blizzard may, at its sole and absolute discretion, allow the use of certain third party user interfaces."
straight from the EULA. - BlaenkDenum, on 03/27/2008, -0/+7...and Internet addiction in general...
- rhoffer21, on 03/27/2008, -0/+7but youre a warlock and thats only like a 1/4 of your health
- badnewsblair, on 03/27/2008, -0/+7Doubt it.
- bitcloud, on 03/27/2008, -2/+9Then again, they could always design the game so that it needed a human intellect and not just "jouney to X, collect Y" grind fest...
- KnifeOrSpoon, on 03/27/2008, -1/+8http://tobolds.blogspot.com/2008/03/interview-with ...
http://www.chinesegoldfarmers.com/Links.html
There are lots, and lots of these articles. But they all pretty much say that their farmers work in anywhere from Sweat Shop conditions right up to Office Environment Conditions. And can make as little as $5 per week up to $2.75 p/h (around 5k p/annum)
There's even an article stating that one company had somewhere near 10,000 accounts for WoW in order to supply the demand. - HolyChimp, on 03/27/2008, -1/+7People cheat for the same reason they cheat in every other game. They want to be better without putting in the effort.
- moush, on 03/27/2008, -0/+6Why pay money for a game you don't even play?
- Sairgem, on 03/27/2008, -1/+7I hope it hurts when you're banned.
- Sil369, on 03/27/2008, -3/+9Don't collect 200$
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