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- justinjacobs, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15"Save the nuclear warheads for MySpace."
See? It isn't always bad. - duk0r, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13Using 'MySpace' and 'Save' in the same sentence = bad.
- dustedbunny, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13I watch UFC all the time. It's probably my favorite show on television.
And I'm not a male. lol. (then again I'm probably the only woman ON digg who watches UFC religiously) - doolin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9No?
- obppr, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11You're probably the only women on Digg... period.
- dustedbunny, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6@ procdaddy
197/f/tanzania
(yes I'm using one of those $100 hand cranked laptops if you were wondering.)
;) - canewediggit, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6i'm all for saving boxing, but let's be realistic. myspace won't do a damn thing.
what really could save boxing, imo-
someone with money, brains, and balls to step in and create a new belt (or league, whatever) and have it's boxers sign exclusivity deals to distance themselves from the corruption of the sport. mark cuban, are you listening?
get rid of all the different weight classes, keep it simple for joe 6 pack to follow (light, middle, heavy, that's it).
have the governing body set matches so guys like roy jones can't dodge the fights we all want to see.
ban don king.
wwe style entrances.
get rid of the points sytem; you win by ko, tko if the ref feels it's out of hand, or throwing in the towel.
maybe set up a round robin kind of "season" for each weight class which culminates in a ncaa sytle single elimination tourney once every few years to crown the champ (not sure if this would work realistically, but the tourney would be can't miss entertainment). - dustedbunny, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Actually, I think there might be 2 or 3 more of my species on digg. amazingly enough. ;)
- dustedbunny, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Can I also add that I think Joe Rogan needs to be put into a fight with Chuck Liddell. I'd pay to see that on Pay-Per-View.
- noodlez, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3boxing is its own problem. spectators are looking for something with more variety than boxing.
for the most part, all boxing is, is guys wailing on each other's heads trying to knock each other out (and trying not to get knocked out). sure, there's more than just that to it, but thats a big aspect.
MMA has a lot more variety to it, with kicks, grappling, etc..
wrestling does too, although its much more for just for the show than anything else. - bigtrouble77, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I personally think youtube is the thing that is saving boxing. Now we can catch the $59.99 pay-per-view fight the day after. Pay-per-view is what's dragging boxing into the gutter and the fact that there's no commission to oversee the fighter's well being.
While we're on the topic, there's a great heavyweight fight on this weekend. James Toney (former middleweight and cruiserweight champ) is taking Sam Peter (hardest punch and best chin in the division) on showtime 9/2/2006 at 9pm est. - dustedbunny, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6@nazuraki
Actually.
(yes. i know. im rambling im sorry)
UFC has fighters who are trained (very well mind you) in things like boxing, wrestling, and jujitsu(sp?). They aren't just throwing chunky blows at each other. I mean some of the heavyweight guys will at times just pound the crap out of each other. The knockouts are real. The blood is real. You should try and find some of their stuff on YouTube.
I also recommend PRIDE fighting.
I really am a woman. And ranting about UFC and PRIDE is making me uncomfortable now. lmao. - dustedbunny, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4@FederalSource
Actually.
I'm very much into things like that. Oddly enough. Just because a woman can be geeky or into technology doesnt mean she doesnt take care of herself or want to look good ;) - Epictetus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4@nazuraki
Say what you like about MMA fighters, I've never seen a karateka win a bout in the UFC or Pride. I've studied karate, judo, brazilian jiu jitsu, and a few other things. Let me tell you most karate techniques don't work to well in real situations. Realistically, even in point sparring you don't see that many people doing anything that looks like karate. And that's a safe situation with rules and limitations far more severe than MMA. If they can't do it there or if it's not as effective there then it certainly won't work when someone is really trying to hurt you. - jwigum, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Boxing is quite dull compared to the MMA contests, in my opinion.
I think the MMA groups would see better fights if they required weigh in at the ring, right before the match. It would also be safer, since there wouldn't be nearly as much "cutting" of weight. - Mindstormy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@nazuraki
Most of these guys train in 2 fields, Boxing and Brazilian (Gracie) Jiu-Jitsu. I've trained in ti kwan do, Japanese karate and Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, and BJJ is the only form I've stuck with. Why you may ask, well because the others seem fairly useless imo. BJJ is a art form you can adjust to work for you. However, in most of my karate classes we spent time on useless Kata forms which I personally see no use for. Take that for what you will, but there is alot more thought in BJJ than you might guess just from watching. These guys all have at least 10 years plus in training in BJJ alone if they have a black belt in it. - Araxen, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Boxing is a dead sport all those heavyweights are playing in the NFL now. DLH is boxing's last big draw. MMA/UFC/Pride will take over for Boxing in the US.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5@dustedbunny
Speaking as someone who has trained in Okinawan Karate for 20 years (since I was 3 :p) the technique really isn't there. What I see is more like an 'Americanization' of the martial arts that comes out with more emphasis on raw force than power, which is something very different.
They may well know the moves, but they don't put them into practice on the show. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@ksponge
Isshinryu, actually. Which means my style is inherently blended with other styles. Any serious Isshinryu school requires students to study aspects of other styles, including grappling, grabs, controls and my favorite- aiki jujitsu. I've hosted students at my dojo from various disciplines of martial art, from BJJ to Shaolin gung fu and ninjitsu.
I've stuck primarily with karate because it offers the greatest degree of versatility in respect to incorporating other styles into basic areas of my own style. I am currently a godan Isshinryu student, but I've earned equivalent shodans in aiki, gung fu and jujitsu which I've declined to accept. - CedEx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@Epictetus
Your context was Karate was not acceptable for striking, and to take boxing and Muay Thai instead. I only answered to that, why you are bringing in grappling into a "striking" conversation I have no idea. For that matter, what could a boxer or Thai boxer do to someone grappling them? Your argument is WAY off base.
I'm not saying strictly Karate striking versus grappling is going to work, I'm just saying that Karate is a valid striking skillset, no different from boxing or Thai Boxing. Karate strikes work, which is why I listed those fighters that use Karate.
However, in today's arena, you have to learn to be a multi-dimensional fighter. Meaning, you have to learn a striking art, a grappling art, submission art to be a complete fighter. Pick any three to fit those requirements and you'll do fine. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@Epictetus
Karate has its advantages and disadvantages, and I absolutely agree that the lack of grappling techniques is a serious weakness.
That said, anyone who studies only one martial art is missing out, no matter what that art is. - CedEx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@Hubris
I agree with your assessment of martial arts in that they have plenty to offer. My point was that there are valid points to Karate (or any other martial arts) despite the fact that it doesn't look the way it is suppose to.
In fact, the modern day Muay Thai isn't even close to what Traditional Muay Thai is. For those not sure of what I'm talking about, look up "Lerdrit". Muay Thai is a complete system of fighting, including kickboxing, *GRAPPLING*, *SUBMISSIONS* AND *WEAPONS*. It had theories and practices involving all aspects of fighting.
It wasn't until Muay Thai became a sport a few hundred years ago that it has evolved into what we regularly see in the ring. Before that, Muay Thai was a whole different bag of tricks.
Basically what I wanted to say in a nutshell: If some guys busts you up with some arm bars and stuff, and said he used Muay Thai (or something you don't think has arm bars) on you, don't discredit it just because it didn't *look* like that style. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@Mindstormy
Katas should only be practiced as exercises to reinforce basic forms. If you went to a school that was trying to teach you to fight with kata, you went to a bad school.
I disagree- I haven't found BJJ very adaptable. I love grappling, and primarily have studied BJJ for grappling techniques, but as for direct sparring, karate forms are far more effective in avoiding having to grapple in the first place. Especially Isshinryu, which places significant value in maintaining awareness of distance and footing. - insinuate, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2wow, I figured someone who seems to be a big name in boxing would have tens of thousands of friends...they only have 252 friends...
- bennyboy371, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Here comes all the myspace bashing...
Commence the emo and immaturity jokes! - CaptShmo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2i dunno, just reading this article has tempted me to look up boxing and see what's going on, so maybe there's some truth in it.
< skywalker > You will watch boxing NOW < / skywalker > - dustedbunny, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3@nazuraki
Touche'
I can agree with you on that, but then again, the basis of winning is either knocking them out, or basically running the clock out and getting the most hits, so that's probably why it seems that use a lot more emphasis on power. I mean take a look at Chuck Lidell. In the time he was fighting (before he retired) I'd seen him throw a punch ONCE and knock someone out. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1so what you're saying is that you want to create a boxing federation that mirrors UFC or PRIDE.
I think one of the main reasons that MMA is picking up is that it lacks the blatant corruption found in . Sure it helps that the action is fast paced and the ref keeps the action going, but as it stands, 90% OF THE TIME THE BEST FIGHTER THAT NIGHT WINS. There aren't too many MMA fighters just trying to stick it out through 12 roudns to collect their check. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@Epictetus
Most people haven't seen real karate, but as I said before, an 'American' version of karate. I don't know where you studied, though.
When people see karate forms, it's always overly flowery, which tends to give the impression that the same kind of forms are used in a 'real' fight scenario. Karate, especially Isshinhryu, becomes extremely effective, yet elegant, in fights. In my personal experience, BJJ fighters are too eager to grapple, because it's what they do best. With a few well placed fakes, which BJJ fighters always seem to be jumpy about, I've always been able to get a crescent into the guard followed by a reverse crescent to the head or something similar.
Regardless, I call myself a student of Okinawan Karate because it is my principle style, but I've studied various martial arts. - josegutz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1 Myspace EMO kids can't even save themselves... and you wanna save boxing?
- leighhalliday, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Was this an attempt to pick her up?
It is UFC not UMC. WWF is fake, UFC is real. It is a sport, not a soap opera. They train probably harder or just as hard as most professional athletes out there. Or do you hate athletes too? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2As the early UFC's have demonstrated, 1-dimensional fighters are quickly destroyed by a BJJ fighter. Now, as the recent UFC's have demonstrated, 3-dimensional fighters (grapping, submissions, striking) represent the future of sport combat and will spank any other 1-d fighter.
- AeonTorpor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1eeeeeeeeeeeeeesoteric....
- CedEx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@Epictetus
That's a fallacy that most people have, is to think that the only stand-up worth doing is boxing and Muay Thai, when in reality it isn't.
You say such things about Karate when you truly don't know. There are plenty of champion fighters that come from a Karate background and use Karate as their mainstay.
Some big names in Karate:
Chuck Liddell
Andy Hug
Francisco Filho
Sammy Schilt
Are you saying Karate striking is not realistic? - redog, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@dustedbunny
Stop it! Your getting me all excited. Im already distracted enough to not read the article, now im skipping comments to read yours. argh! geek chicks ftw! - weneedsound, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I started out watching UFC and then Pride about a year ago... and although its just starting to break into the public eye.. I am already burnt on it.. They hype a fight for months and then it ends in less than a minute. I love watching a boxing match, drinking with my friends and yelling at the fighters to put their hands up and block or to be more offensive.
- xlocust, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Myspace isn't going to save anything.
What Boxing needs another Mike Tyson or an Ali. Boxing isn't doing so well because there are no charismatic fighters and because of ***** promotion. People will tune in to see a champion with charisma and skill to back it up... - dustedbunny, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@robopimp
There ARE things called reruns. :) - cyssero, on 04/18/2009, -0/+1This is amazing. It's like, Q&A time with a real female (dustedbunny). I don't know where to begin!
- Hubris, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Cedex - There are valid elements to all martial arts....but anyone who believes that only training in one traditional form - regardless of the form - will make them better than anyone else, just doesn't get it. Someone with 10 or 15 years of experience in a martial art is likely to be very very good at it...and they are likely to be rather capable in combat in general. They will not have any particular skills (other than general physical ability) in fighting entirely unlike what they have trained......imagine a linebacker talking smack on a tennis court.
Professional mma fighters don't actually study any single technique anymore....even BJJ is now an applied technique. There are schools/camps that teach the standup, take-down, submission and ground-and-pound techniques that make up modern MMA competitions. The only way that a master in a single technique will win, is if he is able to force his opponent to fight in HIS style. Chuck Lidell might have had a scary ability to stand up after being taken to the ground, but that's because he trained specifically to do that. A person who has studied only karate....or only ANYTHING - has less repetoire than someone who has studied more. - christacw, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1UFC note of complete non-importance: mayhem came to skyline after he beat lawler sat night. it was funny because i was like "what's up with your face?" TOTALLY forgetting about the big event.
but ya, he beat lawler in what i hear was a frigging amazing fight, cleaned up, and came immediately out to the club.
*****'s in my blog. - bnitro, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Its all about Wrasslin' bah gawd
- marcocreer, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0MySpace would be a great help for boxing as the younger fight fans hang out on myspace. I, myself, am a younger fight fan being only 18 years old. However I do have a website about boxing and MMA, but i'm mostly a boxing fan. I am planning on promoting my website on myspace which at the same time will promote boxing. as a fairly young boxing writer, i can cater to younger boxing fans and maybe help out its dwindling fanbase. i hope you fight fans out there can also visit my blog.
- FrizzleyFry, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I don't think that by boxers having a MySpace page is going to do much for the sport. It's not going to hurt them, just won't help.
Boxing will do better if the belts are unified, not so many guys running around with a different belt each. Look at the Heavyweight division, not a single "Champion of the World" since Lennox Lewis retired, and there hasn't even been a unification match since then either.
Most people I talk to just want to see a knockout or someone get hurt, they don't care about the fights that are "held in a phone booth" or where the fight seems to see saw back and forth with no knockdowns, the fights that are exciting, IMHO.
You want to see an exciting boxer, check out Friday Night Fight tomorrow night 9/1, and watch Emanuel Augustus, man i don't care what his record is, he's so exciting to watch. His fight tomorrow night is a rematch of one of the most controversially scored matches in recent history. - slanier, on 03/13/2008, -0/+0I think that boxing really needs to take a look at the way its currently being marketed and the people handling it. The reason for boxings decline in popularity is because of the politics involved. I believe that boxing can attract viewers simply by being a SPORT and not attempting to 'reinvent' itself so to speak. Fighters getting on myspace etc does definitely help.
- ksponge, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1@nazuraki
Yeah I'm sure your 20 years of Go Ju would show them what's up. Reverse punch to the solar plexus, followed by a few ridge hands + knife hands and a crescent kick to somewhere. Sorry man, none of this works versus someone that trains with 100% resisting opponent that knows takedowns, gnp, and subs. Karate is good for exercise, but if you ever went against a guy that trained BJJ or Catch wrestling for even 6 months, he would own all your 20 years of kr0tty. You obviously have never gone versus a trained grappler, or you would have dropped kr0tty years ago. - quitano, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0wrestlersle is nothing more then an optimization piece written to optimize the website. Public Relations and SEO professionals look for popular comment or current events to write articles for SEO purposes. In hopes that meta spiders crawl and pick it up or hopefully the article gets dugg.
I've been a boxing trainer for over 10years and a fighter for 5years. I've trained UFC fighters, boxers, kick-boxers, wrestlers….etc. Fighting styles make a fight. Comparing UFC to Boxing is like comparing apples and grapes.
Myspace cannot save boxing, the very thought of it is ridicules. The problem with boxing and the sole problem are promoters like Lou DiBella, Don King, and Bob Arum. These promoters will purposely book two PPV fights on the same night. They have contracts with HBO or Showtime with certain fighters and these fighters will not and cannot fight because of network disputes and promoter contracts. Imagine if every time the Dallas Cowboys wanted to play the Buffalo Bills, they had to negotiate contracts, TV networks, and charge a fee to watch. Would the NFL be where it's at today? Would Myspace save that kind of problem? The very thought is stupid.
Boxing will continue to die until the PPV fights stop, the TV networks pick it back up, and DiBella, King, and Arum stop promoting boxing. End of story. - EComni, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3Personally, I much prefer PRIDE to UFC. PRIDE's rules are more lenient, which not only lends itself to more violent fights, but also more interesting styles of fighting. Too many UFC fighters have the same BJJ + limited boxing style, and while it's still entertaining, it can get old. Main reason why I like Matt Hughes.
That, and PRIDE fighters are better than most UFC fighters. - zoombusa, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1The answer is NO!
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