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- Burento, on 06/28/2008, -1/+22There is actually a lot of people and groups that are being banned and it seems like it is over a term of over 6 months.. China isn't taking any chances huh..
Didn't they also ban like half the cars and cab drivers with shaved heads as well.. random - alapoet, on 06/28/2008, -8/+21China is desperate, in the face of their abysmal record on human rights, to make the Olympics a propaganda event to repair their badly tarnished image.
Not many people are falling for it.
But most of our politicians aren't about to call out the Chinese. Why? Because we are up to our ass in debt to them so that we can fight to hold the oil fields in Iraq:
http://realitycatcher-alapoet.blogspot.com/2008/04 ... - acid0426, on 06/29/2008, -4/+15It's about sports not human rights. The Olympics are not the stage to make a stand for human rights. The efforts and competition of the hard working athletes should not be overshadowed. Save the human rights issue for a more suitable time and place.
- smpx, on 06/29/2008, -5/+15So... protesters and various persons of interest have their movements restricted to move from province to province. Isn't this a pretty big improvement from throwing them in jail or executing them?
I know I'll probably get dugg down for this, but I see this as a good thing, China is relying on the olympics to put itself on the poli-economic map. The last time I went to China, everywhere I went people were talking about how important this is for the country, and no matter how you look at it, the government wants it to go well. The fact that they're just keeping them in their home city seems pretty lenient by their track record. - smpx, on 06/29/2008, -2/+11Since they became a symbol of political importance or a venue of nationalistic pride.
- icantdenythis, on 06/29/2008, -6/+14why are we going to these Olympics?
Since when are sports more important than human rights? - SpectreFire, on 06/29/2008, -2/+9Let's be honest here, is America really in much of a position to dictate human rights and morals to China?
At least China doesn't go off invading countries every few or so years. And don't even start on the whole "but they treat their citizens like crap" idea. As if the US or Canada or the UK can say they're doing much better. Wiretapping, increasing corporate rule, I mean, half of the ***** on Digg's frontpage is about how the US is turning into a police state corporate hellhole. At least China's changed for the better since the Tiananmen square massacre. The same unfortunately, can't be said for the US. - Bulldogge16, on 06/29/2008, -1/+7Sources, confirmation....anything? I know this is China we are talking about but, please. Back it up a little. Or else it is nothing but useless talk. If you care enough validate your article. Caption your photos with a discription of the events/date/time of wich they where taken.
I understand this type of stuff happens in China but come on, I am so sick of this BLOG ***** being accepted as journalism. - serendipitously, on 06/29/2008, -0/+5Human rights abuses occur everywhere but China arbitrarily detain and execute people routinely. Start at the link below and drill down a little deeper to get some idea of the scale and magnitude of human rights abuses in China. Human rights watch, Amnesty International and the UN regularly report on what is 'known' but much of it is covered up, as foreign journalists are kept out of the loop. It isn't uncommon to be arbitrarily detained for having "political monomania" ...a disturbing use of psychiatry to achieve questionale political ends.
http://www.amnesty.org/en/for-media/press-releases ... - yuanzhoulu, on 06/29/2008, -3/+8both China and USA have committed human rights violations, as have a number of other countries. if you're american, it's stupid to boycott the Olymics in favour of human rights or tell China they are violating human rights, sounding superior, when your own country has its own problems. if you're swiss, maybe you have a point against both USA and China.
- inactive, on 06/29/2008, -0/+4Since when is oil more important than human lives?
- SpectreFire, on 06/29/2008, -2/+6I hate these stories, because it just shows how racists so many people still are. Why are we talking about taking the games from China? Do you think that's gonna help? Do you think that's gonna hurt the Chinese government? No.
It's going to hurt the Chinese people the most, it's their shining and proud moment, it's their first time hosting such a big and proud event. How would you feel if you were in their shoes, and the entire world is calling for people to boycott the games? You'd sure as hell be pissed off. Do you think most of China's 1.3 billion people are in league with the government? No, they don't care, they probably don't like it just as much as everyone else, but they know that it could be much worse. Unlike the USSR, the Chinese government embraces capitalism, and on smaller levels such as provincial and city governments, their politicians and organization is almost no different from that of anything in Canada or the US. The city mayor doesn't want to go out and just kill random protestors in the streets, he wants to stop crime, he wants to stop the rampant piracy in the city, he wants to lift the pollution, solve the poverty problems, etc etc. You can't pin the sins of a state government on its people, because that's just stupid and ignorant.
All boycotting will do is create hate within the Chinese people, hate against the rest of the world for being so ignorant and blind.
Also, people need to get their facts straight about China, it's not poor, the people aren't suffering, 300 million people in China are amongst the middle class, they live in nice apartments, have LCD TVs, air conditioners, computers, probably more luxuries than most middle class citizens in the US or Canada. The problems you see in China, are mostly occuring in the interior, away from the coast where it's poorer, and the people are different. China was created from dozens of smaller countries, all with their own different language, culture, etc, you can't expect such a country to exist without problems. But it's not like the government hate the people. They try to improve the country, improve the living conditions by building new cities, factories, power damns, etc. Hell, take a look at the earthquake. The government response was quick and massive. A lot more effective than the US response to New Orleans.
So before you start spewing racism and discrimination-- because let's face it, a lot of Diggers here, especially people posting in these stories, are just blatant bigots and racists --think about all the facts before you start calling out boycott and screw the Olympics. And stop aligning people with their governments. What would you American diggers think if people start saying that you and your government are of the same mind. Hell, I'm Canadian, and I get pissed when people assume the Conservatives speak for me. - OpCzar, on 06/29/2008, -1/+4"or store weapons and explosives at their homes."
Scary to think of what some of the locals might be planning. - absentmindedjwc, on 06/29/2008, -0/+2most people in china hates tibet anyway...
- aftern9ne, on 06/29/2008, -2/+4The Information Center for Human Rights and Democracy orders citizens not to leave the city.
The irony is... overwhelming. - yuanzhoulu, on 06/29/2008, -1/+3it's hard to gauge which is worse. the USA for one beats china hands-down in violations outside its own country. historically both countries have had their ups and downs too. just because China is worse in a couple aspects now doesn't mean USA wasn't earlier or in other aspects.
bottom line is it's hard to gauge or quantify, and it's not worth doing so nor meaningful. these are political issues that need to be improved in both countries. ultimately, the real point is that the Olympics has nothing to do with any of this and such issues shouldn't be held against the Olympics or the civilians of China. - 9bpm9, on 06/29/2008, -0/+2Why does everybody get up and arms when a totalitarian nation does this, but if Germany had done this in 1972, we wouldn't of had the incident that we did. Oh, and Germany would of been praised for keeping the Olympics safe because they aren't a totalitarian government, and had the safety of the people and athletes at heart.
- DesignNerd, on 06/29/2008, -3/+5ugh.
- retawd, on 06/29/2008, -2/+4China is famous for it's 'two steps forward, one step back' strategy. They have invaded a whole lot more than any country, just not so much in your lifetime. They didn't acquire that much land with a few winning hands and some well placed bets at a poker game.
- garconcn, on 06/29/2008, -1/+3The picture is not in China!
- mal1964, on 06/29/2008, -3/+5Breaking: The Beijing 2008 Olympic Games has been canceled.
- pagit, on 06/29/2008, -0/+2They say the Olympics has nothing to do about politics which is utter bull crap because South Africa was banned from the Olympics from 1962- 1994, the American 1980 Summer Olympics boycott of the Moscow Olympics, the 1984 soviet boycott of the American Olympics, the 1988 North Korean Boycott.
I'd love to see (an) Olympic contestant(s) walk in during the opening day ceremonies march and unfurl a "Free Tibet" or "Remember Tianamen Square" banner'.
- solid12345, on 06/29/2008, -0/+1Why do we take part in glorious warfare with nations with poor human rights records? Er wait...
- wpyh, on 06/29/2008, -0/+1Since when is human rights important?
- laserblazer, on 06/29/2008, -2/+3That still doesn't make them more important than human rights, jackass.
- mal1964, on 06/29/2008, -0/+1Its not but every Country probably has an issue that is more important than sports, So where would you draw the line? It would be a mess, And the games are human rights at their finest!
- mllawso, on 06/30/2008, -0/+1... ok?
- aftern9ne, on 06/29/2008, -2/+3Oh please, the athletes will get their glory and their 10 year contract with Wheaties and yadda yadda. The Olympics isn't about the sport, it's the sportsmanship. How can the world stand together as one race when the host country - a developing superpower which has influence all over the globe - is violating modern human ethics?
Nobody is advocating to overwhelm the people who make the Olympics happen, but there is no more suitable time and place than this. - inactive, on 06/30/2008, -0/+1"Since when is human rights important?"
Since oil was discovered in iraq, and saddam nationalized it, refusing to let western companies exploit the fields.
Since a socialist was elected democratically in nicaragua then deposed by contras backed by the US.
Since the democratically elected leader of chile was toppled by the us, and the criminal pinochet, an american puppet, was installed who killed thousands.
Since oil rich iran had their democracy overthrown by uk and america(operation ajax) and a puppet monarch was put in charge, who was later deposed by the people of iran.
Since china's gdp started to grow by 11-17% every year, giving them the power to act independently on the international stage.
Face it, you may stand for democracy and human rights, but your country sure as hell doesn't. Fix your own ***** first before you come in barging through my door. - krnldmp, on 06/29/2008, -1/+2America isn't dictating anything in China. What makes you think China wouldn't invade any damned thing it wants soon as the government feels it can afford it? Its not like China has never been to war.
- krnldmp, on 06/29/2008, -1/+2Jealous? I don't like China mainly because it got rich off of making ***** so cheap the world can't afford to do it right anymore. Their time is coming. If they can't host a world sporting event without hiding the true colors of the nation then that's their problem.
- inactive, on 06/29/2008, -0/+1Permaban
- SpectreFire, on 06/29/2008, -3/+4What about the fact that there's almost 1.3 billion people living in China, that's about 1/6 of the entire world's population. You don't just go out and start discriminating against that many people just because their government's bad.
- yuanzhoulu, on 06/29/2008, -0/+1well, China didn't beat on us in 1996 when we did host it.
- icantdenythis, on 06/29/2008, -0/+1You bring up a very valid point, but the fact of the mater is we the united states are not hosting the Olympics.
- pagit, on 06/29/2008, -0/+1"300 million people in China are amongst the middle class"
the est population of China is 1,321,852,000. IS the other billion considered wealthy? - 9bpm9, on 06/29/2008, -2/+3Since when did being in debt ever have to do with what a politician will say? Yeah, it's mostly never.
- inactive, on 06/29/2008, -0/+1Google is your friend. Check the current status of iraqi oil fields. Check who runs them.
- inactive, on 06/29/2008, -0/+1By the way, I was being sarcastic. However, lay off china, china may treat it's own people strictly, but you treat other people strictly, with your invasions and regime change and overthrowing of democracies in south america and *****.
- socokoolaid, on 06/29/2008, -0/+1The guy in the cage?
- DeFex, on 06/29/2008, -0/+1Where are rich Americans going to get their replacement organs if those worthless people over there don't become "organ donors" for reading the wrong web site or double parking?
- angilinmago, on 06/29/2008, -1/+2what the ***** is wrong with you people, that is not china the picture is showing, there is astoria in the background, how can we ***** trust the author if the only eye-catching spot of the article is some ***** propaganda picture. if you want to ***** with china, do it with some ***** honor.
- lazerflesh, on 06/29/2008, -0/+1This seems NO DIFFERENT than some of the things that happen right here in America. Our freedom of speech, especially in foreign matters or in public places is constantly stepped on.
Those two rules really sound like, " when our guests come here, don't make an ass of yourselves or make China look bad " . - Jacolyte, on 06/29/2008, -0/+1It's really time for us all to get our ***** together. We need to start standing up for eachother, because wouldn't you like the same from others? What if we all cared about each other and we all stood up for each others' rights, regardless?
I would want china to do the same for America if they witnessed atrocities committed by American politicians/corporations/religions/organizations.
It's time to voice your opinions, and start making some real change in the world. - mal1964, on 06/29/2008, -0/+1Because the Athletes have trained four years to compete against other Athletes from around the world .
- DeFex, on 06/29/2008, -0/+1Oh wait. many of the "Chinese human rights violators" are American companies! surprise surprise.
- inactive, on 06/29/2008, -0/+1Nope. US companies got free dibs on iraqi oil. The three largest oil fields in iraq are now exploited by US companies, before they were exploited by iraqis.
But the average american won't see the petrol prices go down because that was never the point, bush serves corporate interests, not his country. The companies can sell more oil while its at record prices, since they have more of it to sell now. They will make money, they don't give a ***** about the poor shmuck paying at the pump. They only care about the money said shmuck hands them.
It doesn't matter that the US economy is struggling, the oil conglomerates are making record profits. - mal1964, on 06/29/2008, -1/+2"US companies got free dibs on iraqi oil"
Should I just take your word on it? or maybe you have a link? - tim04, on 06/29/2008, -1/+2"that much land" belonged to China before America even became a country. If we're going by these comparisons, then America has taken WAY more land from the natives in the same time frame.
- absentmindedjwc, on 06/29/2008, -2/+3... what?
I am in Beijing right now.. and I have not really seen any human rights violations... I have not seen the government do anything bad to anyone.. The only time I actually didnt feel comfortable being somewhere was when a army van was backed up to a bank with 4 men carrying combat shotguns guarding van... which is understandable, as it was most likely full of money. Other than that... I have had no problems with the people or the officials..
It isn't a bad country at all... people look at the OMG COMMUNISM aspect and decide it is a horrible place.. if you were to go to the Silk Market or the Antique Market.. you will see that capitalism is thriving in the heart of Beijing -
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